Gay Marriage

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daisha435

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I feel that Gay marriage is a sin but, we shouldn't judge because homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin. Should Gay members of the church be allowed to minister etc. I think that the BIG difference is that Gay people are not trying to correct their sin but, they are trying to live in it and defend it. Am I correct with my thinking?
 
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didymos

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First! :D​.........
 
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I feel that Gay marriage is a sin but, we shouldn't judge because homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin. Should Gay members of the church be allowed to minister etc. I think that the BIG difference is that Gay people are not trying to correct their sin but, they are trying to live in it and defend it. Am I correct with my thinking?
Yes, I think you are correct. It's not much different than the way many of us try to minimize our own favorite areas of sinning.
 

Angela53510

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If gay marriage is a sin, then people who are gay and married to the same sex are flaunting their sin.

True, we all have sin in our lives, but most of us don't come into church openly denying it is sin. We work on confessing and letting God change us.

I don't think married gay couples should be allowed to minister, because that is condoning their sin. If they want to be celibate, and live for God despite same-sex attraction, that is totally different.

I just went to a conference on this very topic. Three same-sex attracted people spoke about how hard it is to follow Christ and be gay. But they all agreed that same sex marriage was not the way to go. One man God healed and he had been married to a woman for 25 years. But the stats show that only 30% of gay people are able to change their orientation.

We should love those people who cannot change, but encourage them to stay celibate and serve God.
 

Mitspa

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I feel that Gay marriage is a sin but, we shouldn't judge because homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin. Should Gay members of the church be allowed to minister etc. I think that the BIG difference is that Gay people are not trying to correct their sin but, they are trying to live in it and defend it. Am I correct with my thinking?
No its not the same...its the same in that all sinners need Christ and his forgiveness, in that sense all sin is the same. But as it relates to a real born-again Christian. the scriptures makes a clear difference between sin out side the body and fornication which is a defilement of the temple of the Holy Spirit. not to even mention how Gods has used this sin as a sign and evidence of those who are in a reprobate condition.
 
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presidente

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I feel that Gay marriage is a sin but, we shouldn't judge because homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin. Should Gay members of the church be allowed to minister etc. I think that the BIG difference is that Gay people are not trying to correct their sin but, they are trying to live in it and defend it. Am I correct with my thinking?
It's important that we have the same idea of what 'gay' means. Does 'gay' mean experiencing same-sex attraction, or does it mean having sexual relationships with people of the same gender. If you are talking about Christians who could be tempted to be attracted to others, but they aren't living a sinful life, then they should be allowed to minister in their gifts.

But if there is someone who is engaged in a homosexual relationship, the church should treat them just as the church should treat them just as it should treat someone engaged in an opposite-gender fornication lifestyle. If they won't repent, deliver them over to Satan and don't keep company with them. If we won't be in the same room with them, then we won't accept their ministry either.
 
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mystikmind

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It is a difficult topic, but in essence, being gay is just a biological malfunction, no different to someone being borne deaf, or an arm missing. And what we do as a society? We try to make it possible for all these people to live as normal a life as they possibly can. There is one key difference though, you don't see deaf people marching in a parade saying being deaf is just as good as being able to hear!
 

Mitspa

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It is a difficult topic, but in essence, being gay is just a biological malfunction, no different to someone being borne deaf, or an arm missing. And what we do as a society? We try to make it possible for all these people to live as normal a life as they possibly can. There is one key difference though, you don't see deaf people marching in a parade saying being deaf is just as good as being able to hear!
Well the bible says that's wrong... its says its a sin....thus we have the debate ...right?

Are you a Christian? do you believe the bible is truth?
 
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mystikmind

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Well the bible says that's wrong... its says its a sin....thus we have the debate ...right?

Are you a Christian? do you believe the bible is truth?
I am Christian and some people are borne gay, that is the reality. Possibly your confusing 'being' gay with a sex act between two people of the same sex?
 

presidente

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I am Christian and some people are borne gay, that is the reality. Possibly your confusing 'being' gay with a sex act between two people of the same sex?
I really don't think anything has been proven about being 'born gay.' If identical twins are separated at birth and one is 'gay' the other is more likely to be the same way, but it isn't 100%. There may be a propensity for certain people to go in that direction. I don't know if that's genetic or some sort of spiritual heritage (related to the 'sins of the fathers', maybe.)

As far as the definition of 'gay' goes, some baby boomers and gen Xers think of it as men sleeping with men and women with women. Gen Y and people familiar with LGBT rhetoric think it means the way someone is born with a certain 'orientation.'
 

Mitspa

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I am Christian and some people are borne gay, that is the reality. Possibly your confusing 'being' gay with a sex act between two people of the same sex?
Yea that's pretty much the history ...right? So do you believe the bible and what it teaches on the issue?
 
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You are absolutely correct. Name any other "SIN" that gets the attention, is exalted, is praised, is given parades, is made to be legal and is made to feel like it is GOD's fault that HE created them that way. I'm still waiting.....uh....sorry...have you thought of one yet? lol We are to be NEW creatures in CHRIST. Our old 'self' is to be cast away. Gays think they can continue living in their lusts and GOD will smile upon them.
 
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mystikmind

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I really don't think anything has been proven about being 'born gay.' If identical twins are separated at birth and one is 'gay' the other is more likely to be the same way, but it isn't 100%. There may be a propensity for certain people to go in that direction. I don't know if that's genetic or some sort of spiritual heritage (related to the 'sins of the fathers', maybe.)

As far as the definition of 'gay' goes, some baby boomers and gen Xers think of it as men sleeping with men and women with women. Gen Y and people familiar with LGBT rhetoric think it means the way someone is born with a certain 'orientation.'
I think there is pretty solid evidence people can be born gay. The evidence i know of are those people borne with both male and female body parts.... clearly something is going wrong biologically as it does in a million other ways, the human race is falling apart, because we live in a world that thinks it can manage without God.
 

DiscipleDave

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You are absolutely correct. Name any other "SIN" that gets the attention, is exalted, is praised, is given parades, is made to be legal and is made to feel like it is GOD's fault that HE created them that way. I'm still waiting.....uh....sorry...have you thought of one yet? lol We are to be NEW creatures in CHRIST. Our old 'self' is to be cast away. Gays think they can continue living in their lusts and GOD will smile upon them.
i totally agree, but your statement can apply to sinning, not just to homosexual sinning.

lol We are to be NEW creatures in CHRIST. Our old 'self' is to be cast away.Typical Christians think they can continue living in their sins and GOD will smile upon them.
And that is the TRUTH.

Responding to Post #12
 

presidente

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I think there is pretty solid evidence people can be born gay. The evidence i know of are those people borne with both male and female body parts.... clearly something is going wrong biologically as it does in a million other ways, the human race is falling apart, because we live in a world that thinks it can manage without God.
Being a hermaphrodite is not the same thing as being 'gay'.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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AgeofKnowledge

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[video=youtube_share;Zcs1K7Gi9Pg]http://youtu.be/Zcs1K7Gi9Pg[/video]

Read THIS.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Dr. Ryan Anderson discusses marriage definition from a secular governmental public policy perspective <skip to 2:30>:

[video=youtube_share;YWIhZ5xJJaQ]http://youtu.be/YWIhZ5xJJaQ[/video]
 
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didymos

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I feel that Gay marriage is a sin but, we shouldn't judge because homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin. Should Gay members of the church be allowed to minister etc. I think that the BIG difference is that Gay people are not trying to correct their sin but, they are trying to live in it and defend it. Am I correct with my thinking?
Marriage is between a man a woman, so there's by definition no such thing as 'gay marriage.'
 
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If gay marriage is a sin, then people who are gay and married to the same sex are flaunting their sin.

True, we all have sin in our lives, but most of us don't come into church openly denying it is sin. We work on confessing and letting God change us.

I don't think married gay couples should be allowed to minister, because that is condoning their sin. If they want to be celibate, and live for God despite same-sex attraction, that is totally different.

I just went to a conference on this very topic. Three same-sex attracted people spoke about how hard it is to follow Christ and be gay. But they all agreed that same sex marriage was not the way to go. One man God healed and he had been married to a woman for 25 years. But the stats show that only 30% of gay people are able to change their orientation.

We should love those people who cannot change, but encourage them to stay celibate and serve God.
We're all sinful, unalterably so, and the only way in which a person can be not sinful (as in, not sinning at all, ever, ever, ever) is to be dead. I mean, you obviously think sinful thoughts, you obviously sometimes, as do we all, act on those thoughts. And in some form or another, you'll be a sinful person until the day you're dead.

There'll be sins like homosexuality that you don't engage in, there'll be others like anger that you try to stop yourself indulging in, and there'll be others of some kind that you don't even bother to abate. What's the difference between you, or me, having thoughts of hatred arising (a sin in and of itself) and not removing that from our lives in its entirety, and a homosexual having sex with another member of the same sex and being quite happy not to bother removing that part of their lives?

By the bibles' own definition, we're all trapped in sin, daily. We can fight against it, of course, but never be fully rid of it in our temporal daily lives and I don't think any gay Christian can refuse to acknowledge that their actions are sin, and I don't think any other Christian can refuse to acknowledge that one or more of their actions, in some form or another, are sin.

So the pastor is really no better than the prostitute.

I often wonder, in this regard, why do we choose people whose sins are less repulsive (the pastor with a drinking problem at home) over others whose sins are no more sinful (the gay guy that gets daily abuse for being gay)?

Seems to me live and let live is a lot more fair than picking one sinful person to be socially superior to the other sinful person. Social elitism is really quite inhuman like that.
 
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