Gay Marriage?

[BananaPie]

The Lord Jesus already bled and died for homosexuals AND heterosexuals. His blood can make us whole. Praise the Lord!

Far be it from us to reject such a GREAT SALVATION or to water down anything. We are all in desperate need of God's pure mercy and grace. Homosexuals are not spared.

You either repent and trust Jesus for your salvation like the rest of us or you don't. There is no "special" allocation for being born a human!

God's opinion of marriage is the union between ONE adult man (XY DNA human) and ONE adult woman (XX DNA human).

Believe it or not, that's still the truth.

 

[BananaPie]

Bottom line is fornication is abominable and forbidden by God at all times to any participant straight or not.

God has ONLY blessed and has authorized coitus within the marriage between ONE male and ONE female. Anything outside of God's opinion regarding sexual activity (which includes looking to lust/desire) is already off limits and abominable to God.

We all need the Savior Jesus... We all need God! Everything else outside of holy matrimony between ONE man and ONE woman is "bottled" rubbish, and you know it; otherwise, you wouldn't be stuggling so hard. LOL

A homosexual still needs to repent and follow Jesus like the rest of the straight blokes. LOL

 

[biggiestomp]

I say, allow people to call it what they want, Civil Union or Gay Marriage. Not in agreement with either of the two. but i'm not going to try and control a person on the chooses they make. i will, however, tell them what the bible says. They may want this to become acceptable in order to receive the same benefits as a heterosexual Marriage. But when it comes to the benefits of our Lord, it is He, they will have to answer too. The same with Christians and their sins!

These benefits of man that man created, are not written in God's word. If a person is in the hospital that their spouse be allowed and so on....and the money benefits of this so called Civil Union.

I do see where some feel how this might change peoples ideas of God's purpose and definition of the union of marriage. And yet, what did our Lord say to the Pharisees, as they too trying to change what God set for us in the union of marriage?

I don't except my opinions to change anyone's views on this matter. But the true being, God did not make anyone of us come to him! We've heard his voice and listen. those who have ears to hear, let em listen.

As the Pharisees still sits and waits for the Messiah, this ruler to come and change the whole system of government. Our Lord has already done so. In our hearts, we are not to become as those of this world in coming to except the things of this world. Although i'd like things of this world to be different. But we all know, not everyone is a follower of Christ Jesus! Even some heterosexual Marriages need a tuneup of our Lord!

 

[Rogo]

Gays can marry just like anyone else

Find a godly mate of the opposite sex and commit to them in holy matrimony for life

Marriage is the lifetime joining of a man and a woman, that is the ONLY definition.

What they want is to justiify their sinful lifestyle by attaching it to something holy

And that just won't do

I'm afraid it doesn't work that way... Homosexuals are born gay (I know from experience). You can't simply force them into heterosexual relationships... they would be miserable.

As I said before... many Christians choose to ignore the aspects of the Bible (which I previously listed), so why not choose to ignore this one?

 

[biggiestomp]

I'm afraid it doesn't work that way... Homosexuals are born gay (I know from experience). You can't simply force them into heterosexual relationships... they would be miserable.

As I said before... many Christians choose to ignore the aspects of the Bible (which I previously listed), so why not choose to ignore this one?

How can anyone learn from experience that a person was born gay? please explain that one to me? Scientist can't even prove this. But you state it as a known fact, due to your experience? Please explain how so? That's like saying, i was born with a desire to only want to be with short women. any other type of woman i would be miserable.

 

[biggiestomp]

The Bible also notes that eating shellfish (see Leviticus 11) and working on the Sabbath is an abomination (see Exodus 31... which actually calls for the person to be put to death).

It also mentions stoning adulterers (see Deuteronomy 22) as well as condoning slavery (see Leviticus 25 and Exodus 21). We choose to ignore these aspects of the Bible, so why not ignore the parts about homosexuality?

I also don't believe Jesus Himself ever said anything on the topic of homosexuality.... (I could be wrong, though)

What Leviticus 11 speaks on is clean and unclean animals. Which is not saying to eat of them is an abomination. Nor do it says if you work on the Sabbath is an abomination. None of your Biblical reference back up any justification for homosexuality. So we should choose to ignore homosexuality as being a sin, even though the Bible says it is? I do understand that sin is sin. Since your saying we should not recognize it as being a sin, why stop there? why don't we not recognize sin at all and see what happens?

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

apparently having sex with a women who is on her period is considered an abomination by my understanding (Leviticus 18:19 Leviticus 18:30) but I know many (even Christian couples :O) who don't bother with that nor do they sleep in separate locations during that time of the month, are they sinning? Leviticus bans a lot more than same sex relations.

 

[biggiestomp]

apparently having sex with a women who is on her period is considered an abomination by my understanding (Leviticus 18:19 Leviticus 18:30) but I know many (even Christian couples :O) who don't bother with that nor do they sleep in separate locations during that time of the month, are they sinning? Leviticus bans a lot more than same sex relations.

i'm not getting your Point for bring this up? For one, i would stay as far away from any women who was on her period. And not just due to sexual relations. if i didn't know she was that time of the month, then she shows great self control.

But in any case, what else do Leviticus ban which is of abomination?

But i think the point of this post was Gay Marriage. And how some Christians might feel it's our right to tell people what they could and shouldn't do. Anyone who agree with Gay Marriage have that right to do so. And anyone who's a true believer in our Lord, will not agree with Gay Marriage. And just as i don't want anyone who agree with Gay Marriage to continue trying to push their belief on me, i'm not here to push what i believe on them. Less they comes to me wanting to know the truth! Or on threads like this one!

 

[Rogo]

How can anyone learn from experience that a person was born gay? please explain that one to me? Scientist can't even prove this. But you state it as a known fact, due to your experience? Please explain how so? That's like saying, i was born with a desire to only want to be with short women. any other type of woman i would be miserable.

So then you think it's a choice? If not, then what?

 

[biggiestomp]

So then you think it's a choice? If not, then what?

I do believe it's a choice! But please explain, How can anyone learn from experience that a person was born gay?

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

Sorry I didn't make my self clear

Point being I don't feel using Leviticus should be used in cases against homosexuality,


Leviticus

• permits polygamy
• prohibits sexual intercourse when a woman has her period,
• bans tattoos
• prohibits eating rare meat
• bans wearing clothes that are made from a blend of textiles
• prohibits cross-breeding livestock
• bans sowing a field with mixed seed
• prohibits eating pigs, rabbits, or some forms of seafood
• requires Saturday to be reserved as the Sabbath

Christians have long stopped following the holiness codes but yet still try to reference it in their arguments


it seems many of the "clobber passages" (bible passages most commonly used against the LGBTQ+ community) are not valid in the sense of objecting to loving same sex relations.

 

[Rogo]

I do believe it's a choice! But please explain, How can anyone learn from experience that a person was born gay?

Allow me to rephrase what I stated earlier (I used a poor choice of words, I apologize): I do not believe sexual orientation is a choice because I speak from experience. I myself am a homosexual, and I spent two or three years of my life denying this (which caused me to go through long periods of depression). I prayed every night during those first two years to be straight. Every night. Nothing happened. I was still gay, and not all of the praying or denying in the world could have changed that.

If sexual orientation is a choice, then I would like to see those who are straight be genuinely aroused at those of the same sex.

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

Allow me to rephrase what I stated earlier (I used a poor choice of words, I apologize): I do not believe sexual orientation is a choice because I speak from experience. I myself am a homosexual, and I spent two or three years of my life denying this (which caused me to go through long periods of depression). I prayed every night during those first two years to be straight. Every night. Nothing happened. I was still gay, and not all of the praying or denying in the world could have changed that.

If sexual orientation is a choice, then I would like to see those who are straight be genuinely aroused at those of the same sex.

this! I've talked to people who say being gay is a choice, then ask them to find a member of the same sex attractive.. they say "I can't!!" and I say "well make the choice to do so!" it usually ends around there kind of awkwardly.

 

[biggiestomp]

Allow me to rephrase what I stated earlier (I used a poor choice of words, I apologize): I do not believe sexual orientation is a choice because I speak from experience. I myself am a homosexual, and I spent two or three years of my life denying this (which caused me to go through long periods of depression). I prayed every night during those first two years to be straight. Every night. Nothing happened. I was still gay, and not all of the praying or denying in the world could have changed that.

If sexual orientation is a choice, then I would like to see those who are straight be genuinely aroused at those of the same sex.

There are some people who become aroused when watching animals or even Beastieality. And that's a choice for them to continue watching or enjoy that sort of thing. I'm not saying that a woman could not love another woman or a man could not love another man. But the Bible clearly states, Leviticus 20:13 - If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense. To love an intimacy are two different things.

And i pray to God also about the sins in my life and to give me strength to over come them. But i also know that it's my submission to God's word in not exercising the thought to my desires.

By the way, this was not a topic of right or wrong homosexuality. It was a topic on Gay Marriage. And you two have the right to believe whatever you wish. But the Bible is clear on this issue as it is with all other sins in our life.

 

[Dave026]

Homosexuality is a SIN And an abomonation To The Lord!

 

[biggiestomp]

Sorry I didn't make my self clear

Point being I don't feel using Leviticus should be used in cases against homosexuality,


Leviticus

• permits polygamy
• prohibits sexual intercourse when a woman has her period,
• bans tattoos
• prohibits eating rare meat
• bans wearing clothes that are made from a blend of textiles
• prohibits cross-breeding livestock
• bans sowing a field with mixed seed
• prohibits eating pigs, rabbits, or some forms of seafood
• requires Saturday to be reserved as the Sabbath

Christians have long stopped following the holiness codes but yet still try to reference it in their arguments


it seems many of the "clobber passages" (bible passages most commonly used against the LGBTQ+ community) are not valid in the sense of objecting to loving same sex relations.

As for what your implying of the book of Leviticus, i would have to read it and pray for the context in which it was written. As your using it in the context in trying to justify homosexuality. Which is also apart of our sinful nature. Trying to use God's word in trying to justify our desires. I'm not here to clobber homosexuality. If that's how a person choose to live, then they have already justify it in their belief.

 

[Rogo]

There are some people who become aroused when watching animals or even Beastieality. And that's a choice for them to continue watching or enjoy that sort of thing.

But we're not talking about the idea of acting upon one's feelings. We're talking about how sexual orientation itself is not a choice. Also, I hope you're not comparing homosexuality with bestiality... which are two completely different things.

I'm not saying that a woman could not love another woman or a man could not love another man.

Then what exactly are you saying? What kind of love are you talking about?

But the Bible clearly states, Leviticus 20:13 - If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Yes, we know that the Bible considers homosexuality a sin... It's found in Romans too, I believe. Anyways, as you stated... the Bible calls for the death of those participating in homosexual activities. What is your opinion on that matter?

To love an intimacy are two different things.

Would you mind explaining?

By the way, this was not a topic of right or wrong homosexuality. It was a topic on Gay Marriage.

Yes, and you are actively participating in that debate. It also seems appropriate that the morality/immorality behind homosexuality is brought up when questioning the legitimacy of same sex marriage. I mean... you have to start somewhere with this kind of conversation, right?

 

[Tsalagi]

I'm okay with same-sex marriage. Not everyone is Christian so they shouldn't be subjected to Christian law. Christians objecting to same-sex couples marrying legally/outside of the church is like Jews objecting to non-Jews eating pork. If two adults want to marry each other, it's no one else's business.

 

[Rogo]

I'm okay with same-sex marriage. Not everyone is Christian so they shouldn't be subjected to Christian law. Christians objecting to same-sex couples marrying legally/outside of the church is like Jews objecting to non-Jews eating pork. If two adults want to marry each other, it's no one else's business.

You know what... your right. I was going to go through this convoluted strategy in an attempt to persuade some of the people here to think differently, but... your words are simple and to the point. We live in a country whose constitution establishes both religion and government as two separate, non-interfering entities. Why should those of the Christian faith dictate what others (who may be of a different faith) do? We live in a country that was created to escape this sort of thing, not continue it.

Here is an excerpt to prove my point:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now, I have a question for you all. Do you consider marriage a right?

 

[biggiestomp]

But we're not talking about the idea of acting upon one's feelings. We're talking about how sexual orientation itself is not a choice. Also, I hope you're not comparing homosexuality with bestiality... which are two completely different things.

Then what exactly are you saying? What kind of love are you talking about?

Yes, we know that the Bible considers homosexuality a sin... It's found in Romans too, I believe. Anyways, as you stated... the Bible calls for the death of those participating in homosexual activities. What is your opinion on that matter?

Would you mind explaining?

Yes, and you are actively participating in that debate. It also seems appropriate that the morality/immorality behind homosexuality is brought up when questioning the legitimacy of same sex marriage. I mean... you have to start somewhere with this kind of conversation, right?

This debate as you call it, is a waste of time. Judging from your questioning, you've seem to have read the bible in an attempt to try and pick it apart in justifying homosexuality. Which you've already stated that you were gay. And the answer to your question the difference between love and intimacy, Everyone could love one another. But intimacy, depending how you want to use the word, in this case i will use it in a sexual context. you can love a person and not be intimate with them. To Love a person don't mean it's about sex. I could even love the opposite sex, don't mean we would have to have sexual intimacy. Now attraction is another area. And you explain to me how comparing homosexuality with bestiality are two completely different things?

As for your other question of how i feel about the Bible calling for the death of those participating in homosexual activities. Your seeking opinion. And the Bible is clear on this matter. fact is, it don't matter if i agree with it or i don't. It points out the seriousness of homosexuality. The bible also states that sin leads to death. Now, because I have sinned and have not yet died, do that make God out to be a liar?

Now back to the topic at hand, Gay Marriage. If that is what this government wish to allow. that is between them and God. What i believe should have no bearing on anyone else. only through my actions. and just because i don't agree with homosexuality, don't mean i have the right to tell a person what to do or not do. But if you ask me what the word say, I'mma tell you!