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But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Mt 5:22)
Be honest MS. If your conscience was clear, you would have no worries about going to your Pastor on this. Their job is to assist us in our walks of faith... wasting their time would involve not talking to them about these things.
I've made neither mountains nor molehills. I've merely called you to obey the words of scripture in their fullness, and to recognize that you are a man under authority. Pray and meditate carefully please on how you have responded to that.
Be honest MS. If your conscience was clear, you would have no worries about going to your Pastor on this. Their job is to assist us in our walks of faith... wasting their time would involve not talking to them about these things.
I've made neither mountains nor molehills. I've merely called you to obey the words of scripture in their fullness, and to recognize that you are a man under authority. Pray and meditate carefully please on how you have responded to that.
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I'd be happy to MS. It might help if you actually read was said in the thread, as everyone in it has said they follow Christ. You seem to be the one who is deciding that because we are/were Goth, we cannot be Christian.
I don't think this discussion is going in a beneficial direction, so I'm going to end it. If you are unwilling to hold yourself to any accounting, then I'm afraid there is very little that is useful to say.
Peace be with you.
I don't think this discussion is going in a beneficial direction, so I'm going to end it. If you are unwilling to hold yourself to any accounting, then I'm afraid there is very little that is useful to say.
Peace be with you.
I think all the goth stuff is silly. It's a sub culture starting in the punk rock era in the 70's, 80's it's all in your mind and head and you should get over it and yourselves, and be yourself. Don't label yourself a goth you belong to Christ now His alone and He bought you with a price, so glorify Christ in your body, don't glorify a gothic sub-culture. Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. Can you be a goth without dressing as per the sub-cultural standard?
Being a goth and christian in my view, distorts your perception of spiritual realities and scripture, for example, this statement in the OP is one such example:
I understand the OP is attempting to reach goths for Christ, but at the expense of who Christ really is? The "Gothic Christ", walks around with a morbid sombre face, never smiling, never happy? Is Christ a goth? Isn't this conforming and making Christ an idol for a punk-rock subculture originating in the 80's? I hope not.
If this was the 1950's, pre-gothic, what subculture would you belong to then? The roaring-twenties? Does a gothic subculture need to be reconciled and merged with Christianity? I believe the Christ of the bible was happy and was jovial at times, He did have a smile on his face, he did enjoy mixing with all sort of people rather than withdraw from his own society. He did enter synagogues, he did mix with important people and unimportant people alike. We might think this man of sorrows never had anything to be happy about. No, he was filled with God-centred joy at delight in doing God's will (psalm 40), examples of Jesus rejoicing in Luke 20:21, Luke 10. God wants all His children filled with the joy of their Lord. Not the kind of morbid dark sombre existance which the gothic subculture portrays. Hopefully you can see the contradiction between goth and Christian. Jesus came to save our souls, which not only means a home in heaven when we die, but Jesus came to save you from a cycle of depression, negativity, dark thoughts, and most of what the gothic subculture represents.
Being a goth and christian in my view, distorts your perception of spiritual realities and scripture, for example, this statement in the OP is one such example:
I understand the OP is attempting to reach goths for Christ, but at the expense of who Christ really is? The "Gothic Christ", walks around with a morbid sombre face, never smiling, never happy? Is Christ a goth? Isn't this conforming and making Christ an idol for a punk-rock subculture originating in the 80's? I hope not.
If this was the 1950's, pre-gothic, what subculture would you belong to then? The roaring-twenties? Does a gothic subculture need to be reconciled and merged with Christianity? I believe the Christ of the bible was happy and was jovial at times, He did have a smile on his face, he did enjoy mixing with all sort of people rather than withdraw from his own society. He did enter synagogues, he did mix with important people and unimportant people alike. We might think this man of sorrows never had anything to be happy about. No, he was filled with God-centred joy at delight in doing God's will (psalm 40), examples of Jesus rejoicing in Luke 20:21, Luke 10. God wants all His children filled with the joy of their Lord. Not the kind of morbid dark sombre existance which the gothic subculture portrays. Hopefully you can see the contradiction between goth and Christian. Jesus came to save our souls, which not only means a home in heaven when we die, but Jesus came to save you from a cycle of depression, negativity, dark thoughts, and most of what the gothic subculture represents.
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First of all I'd like to pat on the back the person who did the discussion with the Mahogany Snail person, because those are the kinds of things I hear about Gothism, and the replies were great. When I first started reading the entries I was shocked and angered, but after a while I felt better because the responders words were very accurate.
This said, I would like to clear a few things up for anyone who wonders about the Goth culture. I speak from having been in it for many years and being around many other Goths.
First, as for it being a new subculture, yes and no. The Goth culture has different avenues, such as the rockers and the victorians. The rockers are the 80's guys and have the fancier clothing from that era. The victorians go back longer, and one of the victorian goth mentalities was Charles Addams, the creator of the Addams family (yes I'm a fan and have the whole set on disc, they were an awesome family)was very gothic. I wont go into his biography here, but I have alot in common with him.
I beleive true Goths are often born. Me personally, I was fascinated with history, old houses, castles, graveyards and dark art from earliest childhood. I always liked black, had candles everywhere, and whilst I watched alot of gothic horror, along with kid movies, cartoons, comedies and actions, I never took any of it seriously, it was all theatrics of hollywood.
Blood sucking vampires are not real, I always knew that, but I wear a long black 17th century overcoat and a velvet goth victorian military jacket that I baught for church. I also wear a top hat along with dark angel shirts and jewelry, yes, everyplace including downtown. Some people mock, others really like the look. I wear it because it is ME. I like the victorian look, period, and have no desire to beconcerned with conformity. I can wear t shirts and blue jeans, but I like this look very much.
I lov antiques, candleabras (I have bunches of those, some very old) and I have a fogger in my bedroom. My nights can be found with a thin layer of fog and candles burning, and if there is light rain outside, I'll dress up and go out in it.
As for death, death is simply a part of life. All things die, animals, bugs, leaves on trees. Why do we fear death? The body goes to sleep. Accept it. I like cemeteries. I like walking through the oldest ones I can find reading the stones. It's like meeting people from the past. The old stones were often hand carved. There ae people who collect old Casket handles. Some of them are extremely ornate and often valuable. They are another art form. Why would a Christian fear death or consider it morbid? To you, isnt death the last stop before Jesus?
As for depression, I have a favorite club here, it is a Goth club. Go there at ten at night on a busy night, and amid the music and dancing.....depression? hardly. I have never seen any drug taking or sexual antics there, just people having fun. I dont get drunk and Idont use drugs. But I dont condemn others.
Goths are not fake people, we are people who reflect on the outside what we are on the inside, and we are not stopped by meainstream people's veiwpoints. Many Goths are Christians. I have been in church in black from head to foot, and been among Christians with no problem. There is a small church here I've gone to and they are great with my Goth look. I go with a top hat, velvet jacket, leather choker, rings, and generally a cross on a chain, and a chrome chain belt. It's just me.
We dont wear costumes, we wear clothing that is us, like anyone else. We have pirates who wear tricorns and longcoats with leather. They do not rape or pilage. We have vampires who wear long hair and paint nails. They do not drink blood or harm anyone. They dance, have drinks, tell jokes, then go home to the family.
Can a Christian be Goth? Oh yes, so easily! Go to a quiet place, bow your head, and pray. It's that simple. There is no christian uniform. You can be naked, can be in uniform, can be in rags. there is no difference.
As for makeup, lots of people wear it. It washes off. Are we conformists? Everyone is a conformist. Unless you have two right arms or a nose on your chest, you conform to something.
From a christian perspective, did God make darkness? Did he make fog? Did he make people to eventually run down and die? Did he make rain? Did he make thunder and lightning? Did he make people all look different? Would a Christian say God did not make Goths? If you want to do some interesting reading, I will put some links at the end of this.
I appreciate the opportunity to make this post and maybe give readers a different view of us dark and scary people. Really we dont bit. But some of us can open packages with our jewelry.
Christian Goth.com, Gothic Christianity, The Blood God, The graverobbers ministry, are a few.
Regards.
This said, I would like to clear a few things up for anyone who wonders about the Goth culture. I speak from having been in it for many years and being around many other Goths.
First, as for it being a new subculture, yes and no. The Goth culture has different avenues, such as the rockers and the victorians. The rockers are the 80's guys and have the fancier clothing from that era. The victorians go back longer, and one of the victorian goth mentalities was Charles Addams, the creator of the Addams family (yes I'm a fan and have the whole set on disc, they were an awesome family)was very gothic. I wont go into his biography here, but I have alot in common with him.
I beleive true Goths are often born. Me personally, I was fascinated with history, old houses, castles, graveyards and dark art from earliest childhood. I always liked black, had candles everywhere, and whilst I watched alot of gothic horror, along with kid movies, cartoons, comedies and actions, I never took any of it seriously, it was all theatrics of hollywood.
Blood sucking vampires are not real, I always knew that, but I wear a long black 17th century overcoat and a velvet goth victorian military jacket that I baught for church. I also wear a top hat along with dark angel shirts and jewelry, yes, everyplace including downtown. Some people mock, others really like the look. I wear it because it is ME. I like the victorian look, period, and have no desire to beconcerned with conformity. I can wear t shirts and blue jeans, but I like this look very much.
I lov antiques, candleabras (I have bunches of those, some very old) and I have a fogger in my bedroom. My nights can be found with a thin layer of fog and candles burning, and if there is light rain outside, I'll dress up and go out in it.
As for death, death is simply a part of life. All things die, animals, bugs, leaves on trees. Why do we fear death? The body goes to sleep. Accept it. I like cemeteries. I like walking through the oldest ones I can find reading the stones. It's like meeting people from the past. The old stones were often hand carved. There ae people who collect old Casket handles. Some of them are extremely ornate and often valuable. They are another art form. Why would a Christian fear death or consider it morbid? To you, isnt death the last stop before Jesus?
As for depression, I have a favorite club here, it is a Goth club. Go there at ten at night on a busy night, and amid the music and dancing.....depression? hardly. I have never seen any drug taking or sexual antics there, just people having fun. I dont get drunk and Idont use drugs. But I dont condemn others.
Goths are not fake people, we are people who reflect on the outside what we are on the inside, and we are not stopped by meainstream people's veiwpoints. Many Goths are Christians. I have been in church in black from head to foot, and been among Christians with no problem. There is a small church here I've gone to and they are great with my Goth look. I go with a top hat, velvet jacket, leather choker, rings, and generally a cross on a chain, and a chrome chain belt. It's just me.
We dont wear costumes, we wear clothing that is us, like anyone else. We have pirates who wear tricorns and longcoats with leather. They do not rape or pilage. We have vampires who wear long hair and paint nails. They do not drink blood or harm anyone. They dance, have drinks, tell jokes, then go home to the family.
Can a Christian be Goth? Oh yes, so easily! Go to a quiet place, bow your head, and pray. It's that simple. There is no christian uniform. You can be naked, can be in uniform, can be in rags. there is no difference.
As for makeup, lots of people wear it. It washes off. Are we conformists? Everyone is a conformist. Unless you have two right arms or a nose on your chest, you conform to something.
From a christian perspective, did God make darkness? Did he make fog? Did he make people to eventually run down and die? Did he make rain? Did he make thunder and lightning? Did he make people all look different? Would a Christian say God did not make Goths? If you want to do some interesting reading, I will put some links at the end of this.
I appreciate the opportunity to make this post and maybe give readers a different view of us dark and scary people. Really we dont bit. But some of us can open packages with our jewelry.
Christian Goth.com, Gothic Christianity, The Blood God, The graverobbers ministry, are a few.
Regards.
U
To VictorianGoth
Firstly, I'd like to state i'm on old school metalhead, so i understand the difficulty of being in a subculture within the church. I get why we have them, and see nothing wrong with the majority of them. Including goth.
But, i will disagree with a part of what you wrote..
''From a christian perspective, did God make darkness? Did he make fog? Did he make people to eventually run down and die? Did he make rain? Did he make thunder and lightning? Did he make people all look different? Would a Christian say God did not make Goths? If you want to do some interesting reading, I will put some links at the end of this.''
The argument 'God made it so its ok' is not truly a valid argument. Satan works best by taking what God made for good and using it in an evil sense. Look at sex. God made sex, yet Satan has taken what God made for good and made something bad out of it. Not saying thats the case with goth, i don't have a problem with goth, but more showing that applying that kind of logic as a proof of goth being acceptable, it does not work.
Rain and thunder being defended? Really? I know plenty of 'mainstreamers' who enjoy rain and thunder too.
Lastly your comment about ''did God make people to eventually run down and die?'' Actually no, He didn't. He created man perfectly, in His image, the 'run down and die' is a result of sin. And once sin is eradicated we will have bodies that once again don't 'run down and die'.
Also, your argument about death, well, death is a result of sin. Yes, part of life is death, and as an old metalhead, i of course, have no problem discussing death or whatnot. But it is the result of sin, and is something Jesus had to defeat. So true, its a part of life, but at the same time we have to be careful how much emphasis and focus we put on it.
So just a few points you may want to rethink in defending goth, as these points don't work well, or may be counterproductive.
Firstly, I'd like to state i'm on old school metalhead, so i understand the difficulty of being in a subculture within the church. I get why we have them, and see nothing wrong with the majority of them. Including goth.
But, i will disagree with a part of what you wrote..
''From a christian perspective, did God make darkness? Did he make fog? Did he make people to eventually run down and die? Did he make rain? Did he make thunder and lightning? Did he make people all look different? Would a Christian say God did not make Goths? If you want to do some interesting reading, I will put some links at the end of this.''
The argument 'God made it so its ok' is not truly a valid argument. Satan works best by taking what God made for good and using it in an evil sense. Look at sex. God made sex, yet Satan has taken what God made for good and made something bad out of it. Not saying thats the case with goth, i don't have a problem with goth, but more showing that applying that kind of logic as a proof of goth being acceptable, it does not work.
Rain and thunder being defended? Really? I know plenty of 'mainstreamers' who enjoy rain and thunder too.
Lastly your comment about ''did God make people to eventually run down and die?'' Actually no, He didn't. He created man perfectly, in His image, the 'run down and die' is a result of sin. And once sin is eradicated we will have bodies that once again don't 'run down and die'.
Also, your argument about death, well, death is a result of sin. Yes, part of life is death, and as an old metalhead, i of course, have no problem discussing death or whatnot. But it is the result of sin, and is something Jesus had to defeat. So true, its a part of life, but at the same time we have to be careful how much emphasis and focus we put on it.
So just a few points you may want to rethink in defending goth, as these points don't work well, or may be counterproductive.
Psalms 139:11-12 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
1 Corinthians 15:54-55 “When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
With some respect for my own beliefs in Christ I will say this.... God made the darkness and the light. God made good and evil. I will note Isaiah 45:7-"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." We seem to forget that while we are fighting that which is evil, that which is darkness that God ultimately created the darkness as an example to man that there are only two paths in which to follow (putting it blankly and overlooking the pun, to make things ''black and white''). There are several subcultures and they are dealing with just that..... culture. Culture isn't a lifestyle. It's simply this: the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
I myself have been known on occasion to go for a brisk walk at the hint of midnight, in the dark to sooth and calm my nerves because the darkness is peaceful and quiet. I love rainy days and also have a tendancy to bask in the showers God so pleasantly distributes on the Earth. Also I have a fasination for all things Victorian. But the fact that I have this fasination doesn't deter me from loving my God any less or keep me from living all aspects of my life to please God. VictorianGoth is correct in saying there are a number or Gothic culturist who are Christians. I might add also that Jesus died on a cross with nails in his hands and feet and a crown of thorns on his head. His BLOOD is a liquid that washes away all sins. We as Christians partake in communion which is symbolic of DRINKING THE BLOOD of Christ to wash away sins and EATING OF HIS FLESH. But Ugly is also right when they say that Satan takes what is good and ultimately sugar coats it into what is evil (aka, Vampires drimking blood, but long story short, as Bram Stoker's Dracula quotes, "The blood is," the what?.......... ''LIFE''. We partake in the symbolism of drinking the blood of Jesus so that our sins may be washed away to create NEW LIFE in us. To make us pure in spirit and to absolve us of our sins. We can sufficed to say that Vampire is a myth strewn in romanticism but it is also a means for Satan to ''twist'' the very nature of what we do and turn it into something that is evil, to mock that which we hold sacred. It may not be the emphasis of people who are fasinated with Vampires, but even the Devil is deceiving them into thinking that this is something to pay in high regard.
We all also need to remember there is a light in the darkness and that light in Jesus. Jesus himself sat and ate with sinners. Who are we to judge people for how they like to dress and how they like to live? We can't point fingers at those who aren't in our box of expectation. We most certainly can't hide from darkness. We can't hide or try to ignore that there is darkness, there is evil. We in fact were called to fight it! Just as the demons know God exist and trembel in fear of Him, we too know that evil exists (yet we do not tremble in fear of it because we have nothing to fear, including death for God gave us an out from all fears and death, and that is Jesus Christ whom he gave so that we would not perish in death but have eternal life). I also would like to point out that death isn't just the flesh deteriorating and becoming lifeless, but also the erradication of the soul and the spirit. But if we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and that he died so that we could live, our spirit is entitled to eternal (that means no end) life! Our bodies may be dead but our spirit will live on and when God comes to live among his people he will also renew that which was deteriorated by death, HALLELUJAH!
All in all my advice to everyone is DON'T JUDGE lest ye be of NO JUDGEMENT and when our Lord comes....... we will all be judged according to God's purpose.
1 Corinthians 15:54-55 “When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
With some respect for my own beliefs in Christ I will say this.... God made the darkness and the light. God made good and evil. I will note Isaiah 45:7-"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." We seem to forget that while we are fighting that which is evil, that which is darkness that God ultimately created the darkness as an example to man that there are only two paths in which to follow (putting it blankly and overlooking the pun, to make things ''black and white''). There are several subcultures and they are dealing with just that..... culture. Culture isn't a lifestyle. It's simply this: the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
I myself have been known on occasion to go for a brisk walk at the hint of midnight, in the dark to sooth and calm my nerves because the darkness is peaceful and quiet. I love rainy days and also have a tendancy to bask in the showers God so pleasantly distributes on the Earth. Also I have a fasination for all things Victorian. But the fact that I have this fasination doesn't deter me from loving my God any less or keep me from living all aspects of my life to please God. VictorianGoth is correct in saying there are a number or Gothic culturist who are Christians. I might add also that Jesus died on a cross with nails in his hands and feet and a crown of thorns on his head. His BLOOD is a liquid that washes away all sins. We as Christians partake in communion which is symbolic of DRINKING THE BLOOD of Christ to wash away sins and EATING OF HIS FLESH. But Ugly is also right when they say that Satan takes what is good and ultimately sugar coats it into what is evil (aka, Vampires drimking blood, but long story short, as Bram Stoker's Dracula quotes, "The blood is," the what?.......... ''LIFE''. We partake in the symbolism of drinking the blood of Jesus so that our sins may be washed away to create NEW LIFE in us. To make us pure in spirit and to absolve us of our sins. We can sufficed to say that Vampire is a myth strewn in romanticism but it is also a means for Satan to ''twist'' the very nature of what we do and turn it into something that is evil, to mock that which we hold sacred. It may not be the emphasis of people who are fasinated with Vampires, but even the Devil is deceiving them into thinking that this is something to pay in high regard.
We all also need to remember there is a light in the darkness and that light in Jesus. Jesus himself sat and ate with sinners. Who are we to judge people for how they like to dress and how they like to live? We can't point fingers at those who aren't in our box of expectation. We most certainly can't hide from darkness. We can't hide or try to ignore that there is darkness, there is evil. We in fact were called to fight it! Just as the demons know God exist and trembel in fear of Him, we too know that evil exists (yet we do not tremble in fear of it because we have nothing to fear, including death for God gave us an out from all fears and death, and that is Jesus Christ whom he gave so that we would not perish in death but have eternal life). I also would like to point out that death isn't just the flesh deteriorating and becoming lifeless, but also the erradication of the soul and the spirit. But if we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and that he died so that we could live, our spirit is entitled to eternal (that means no end) life! Our bodies may be dead but our spirit will live on and when God comes to live among his people he will also renew that which was deteriorated by death, HALLELUJAH!
All in all my advice to everyone is DON'T JUDGE lest ye be of NO JUDGEMENT and when our Lord comes....... we will all be judged according to God's purpose.
V
My point is and was that Goths appreciate certain things in a different way than others. I'm both a classical listener and a metalheadmyself. Everyone likes rain, lightning and thunder, yes, but everyone likes wearing clothes, as do Goths. The point is the difference in perspective.
With regard to death, people die, their body wears out. I have an old friend named Jerry, he is 85. I stop by to talk to him and keep him company, very nice old man, bad hips and joints, memory problems, can hardly walk, lives in the 70's and is a genius with electronics. He will die soon, I know this so I keep an eye on him.
Most people consider death evil and morbid because the body ceases to live (from a Christian perspective, does not the bible teach that it is a spiritual body and not a pysical one that is supposed to move to immortality? With this face, I would want a new body, ha!) The difference is that while many people see going into a graveyard as morbid, many people, particularly the Goth subculture, see it as something different. Goths will own hearses and casket furniture. I seriously doubt you see that in most homes. Most people would be horrified at it. I have a 1960's vintage casket couch. Guests think its wild.
The point is, and was that the body winds down and stops. It is the end of the cycle of physical life, and in the ground the body becomes bones ( some of which are sold on E bay, no I dont have any).
Goths often take pictures and draw art which features graveyards and castles, women in hoop skirts and gothic attire from the victorian era, and dark angels, all of which are "dark art" and are by no means mainstream.
My favorite poster has a girl in a big gorgeous dress walking through a snowy old graveyard and she is standing over a stone. It's not depressing to me. I listen to Midnight Synidcate, and the wife really is not big on them, they are gothic classical.
Everyone fits a sub culture. Cowboys have hats and boots, football guys have their trappings, moms and dad theirs.
Sub cultures are neat. They have their groups and their markings. It's all good. Personally I like to see everyone mixing together and getting along.
Best regards,
Mike
With regard to death, people die, their body wears out. I have an old friend named Jerry, he is 85. I stop by to talk to him and keep him company, very nice old man, bad hips and joints, memory problems, can hardly walk, lives in the 70's and is a genius with electronics. He will die soon, I know this so I keep an eye on him.
Most people consider death evil and morbid because the body ceases to live (from a Christian perspective, does not the bible teach that it is a spiritual body and not a pysical one that is supposed to move to immortality? With this face, I would want a new body, ha!) The difference is that while many people see going into a graveyard as morbid, many people, particularly the Goth subculture, see it as something different. Goths will own hearses and casket furniture. I seriously doubt you see that in most homes. Most people would be horrified at it. I have a 1960's vintage casket couch. Guests think its wild.
The point is, and was that the body winds down and stops. It is the end of the cycle of physical life, and in the ground the body becomes bones ( some of which are sold on E bay, no I dont have any).
Goths often take pictures and draw art which features graveyards and castles, women in hoop skirts and gothic attire from the victorian era, and dark angels, all of which are "dark art" and are by no means mainstream.
My favorite poster has a girl in a big gorgeous dress walking through a snowy old graveyard and she is standing over a stone. It's not depressing to me. I listen to Midnight Synidcate, and the wife really is not big on them, they are gothic classical.
Everyone fits a sub culture. Cowboys have hats and boots, football guys have their trappings, moms and dad theirs.
Sub cultures are neat. They have their groups and their markings. It's all good. Personally I like to see everyone mixing together and getting along.
Best regards,
Mike
"My point is and was that Goths appreciate certain things in a different way than others."
The cultural practices of the Gothic community may be an evident application of ''escaping the norm'', but you cannot deny that with Goths ulimately takie on the same perspectives and ideas that they are not as unique as some Gothic people may portray them to be. Your personal cultural practices in turn do not make you unique but they do give you your own sense of being that is different from some other persons sense of being. We all have our fasinations but they do not make us stand out entirely because it's a cycle of how we ''do me'' so to speak. Everyone has a certain way of doing things. Simply because ones may be different than anothers doesn't make their way is unique just that it's different. In the eyes of God we are all unique because we were created in His image. In conclusion sometimes our differences are what make us the same.
The cultural practices of the Gothic community may be an evident application of ''escaping the norm'', but you cannot deny that with Goths ulimately takie on the same perspectives and ideas that they are not as unique as some Gothic people may portray them to be. Your personal cultural practices in turn do not make you unique but they do give you your own sense of being that is different from some other persons sense of being. We all have our fasinations but they do not make us stand out entirely because it's a cycle of how we ''do me'' so to speak. Everyone has a certain way of doing things. Simply because ones may be different than anothers doesn't make their way is unique just that it's different. In the eyes of God we are all unique because we were created in His image. In conclusion sometimes our differences are what make us the same.