How do you incorporate yourself into a generation that is vile and morally corrupt?

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Simao

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Oct 30, 2017
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I can not for my life of me surround myself with people who are prideful, obnoxious, conceited, sexually deviant, immodest, revilers, lovers of money etc, etc. I am so repulsed by it that I cannot even be in the presence of such persons. For example: if I enter a chat room and all I see are people talking about getting high, cussing at each other, gossiping or making any sort of unholy, inappropriate remarks. I leave straight away. I can't just pretend it's normal. And I know this may sound condescending but between this and my social anxiety, I honestly wonder if I'll ever be able to make friends and be engaged in a satisfying relationship. If you think i'm wrong, tell me how have you managed to build and sustain close relationships with others who's thoughts and emotions are defined by a corrupt/wrongly influenced society? I mightily struggle relating to anyone in general. Half of me longs for social intimacy and I know God structured us with this need, but the other half is telling me I'm just not equipped to coincide. And the way I see it, my generation and each one that has followed it's predecessor has only gotten worse and worse.
 

Ugly

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Well i'm not a fan of such things either, but i suspect your tolerance levels and ability to deal with it are greatly diminished compared to mine. The primary way to have a more balanced approach in your ability to live among such a society is going to stem from you, possibly your past or any number of things. Finding what it is that causes such an overly excessive reaction is the real solution. And no one here can provide that.
But also be aware that many don't want to be around such things. It's not entirely just you.
For myself i try to measure my reaction to my expectations. If i were to enter a secular chat room my expectations on the quality of discussion and the way people speak would be extremely low. If i go into a Christian chat room i would have higher expectations. The world is full of sinners and we can't put ourselves into the worlds areas and expect the standards we should be living by.
Having social anxiety may be a large part of this. If you watch a movie with the same things going on does it affect you as strongly? Or is it easier to cope with? If there is any difference then the issue may be more about the social element than the behavior. If you feel the same either way then it may be something else.
Some will say that your attitude is right, but i disagree to a point. That you have a problem with sin and watching others engage in it makes sense. But if you find that you can't even be a light because of your inability to handle it is not something Godly. One can't go into the world and be a witness if you're too busy looking down your nose at the world.
So there is a balance.
 

Laish

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I can not for my life of me surround myself with people who are prideful, obnoxious, conceited, sexually deviant, immodest, revilers, lovers of money etc, etc. I am so repulsed by it that I cannot even be in the presence of such persons. For example: if I enter a chat room and all I see are people talking about getting high, cussing at each other, gossiping or making any sort of unholy, inappropriate remarks. I leave straight away. I can't just pretend it's normal. And I know this may sound condescending but between this and my social anxiety, I honestly wonder if I'll ever be able to make friends and be engaged in a satisfying relationship. If you think i'm wrong, tell me how have you managed to build and sustain close relationships with others who's thoughts and emotions are defined by a corrupt/wrongly influenced society? I mightily struggle relating to anyone in general. Half of me longs for social intimacy and I know God structured us with this need, but the other half is telling me I'm just not equipped to coincide. And the way I see it, my generation and each one that has followed it's predecessor has only gotten worse and worse.
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I suggest you pray for your fellow man . You can also demonstrate godly behavior. Often what we do as children of God encourages others to do the same .
Blessings Bill
 

Dan58

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You don't as a Christian, 'incorporate' yourself into the life style of sinners. But as stated, we really can't run from all that surrounds us. We can live among them without participating in what they do. Christians have a duty to be good examples, but we can't do that by hiding from what society considers normal behavior and conversation. jmo

"And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick." (Matthew 9:10-12)
 

MattforJesus

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I can not for my life of me surround myself with people who are prideful, obnoxious, conceited, sexually deviant, immodest, revilers, lovers of money etc, etc. I am so repulsed by it that I cannot even be in the presence of such persons. For example: if I enter a chat room and all I see are people talking about getting high, cussing at each other, gossiping or making any sort of unholy, inappropriate remarks. I leave straight away. I can't just pretend it's normal. And I know this may sound condescending but between this and my social anxiety, I honestly wonder if I'll ever be able to make friends and be engaged in a satisfying relationship. If you think i'm wrong, tell me how have you managed to build and sustain close relationships with others who's thoughts and emotions are defined by a corrupt/wrongly influenced society? I mightily struggle relating to anyone in general. Half of me longs for social intimacy and I know God structured us with this need, but the other half is telling me I'm just not equipped to coincide. And the way I see it, my generation and each one that has followed it's predecessor has only gotten worse and worse.
Paul said the only way you can escape the way of the world is to leave the world.

That is why we have to allow the Spirit to lead us, so that we have love for people despite the way they act, and the way they act towards us, which Jesus said He gives the saints joy that no person takes away, for it is not controlled by us but by the Spirit, and the joy of the LORD is our strength.

As time goes on the world gets worse for that is the direction the world is going, so they get worse in selfishness, arrogance, and self exaltation, where a saint grows in Christ for that is the direction they are going.

Ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been headed towards the beast kingdom where the transgressors will come to the full, and God puts them down, which Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God to escape that when the time comes, and to secure eternal life.

Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

The last generation before God puts the world down, where the children will be disobedient to parents, but the Bible says that parents have a responsibility towards their children, and not to provoke them to wrath, and many parents do not act right, and lawbreakers, and then tell their children to act right, which discourages some children.

They will be highly selfish, and highly arrogant, and aggressive towards each other, and they will care about money in an attempt to exalt themselves, and not care that much about the poor and needy, which even many people that claim Christ go by their wants.

Which the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy, and the love of people is the fulfilling of the law.

We want to live for Christ, but we have to allow the Spirit to lead us or it will affect us dealing with the world, but if we are not led of the Spirit then we cannot abstain from sin also, although we may have toned it down by our own power.
 

KimmyO

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Well it is tough to be the only Christian in a group or feel outnumbered, and this is true more every day. We are surrounded by unbelievers or nonpracticing people. While we are to be loving and tolerant, understanding and engaged with them, it isn't necessarily a best choice for them to be our closest friends and significant others. It will take us down, it is easier to fall than to pull someone up out of a pit. We are to keep our shield up, and yet be loving. It is a tough balance. Love conquers all tho and grace wins every time, so showing them grace and love is not agreeing with what they do. Even when someone is dealing with consequences of their sin, it is sad, and we should be sad with them, not agreeing with their choices but being sympathetic w the problems it causes. Wait for open doors to talk with them, they will start asking questions. Pray always over them, and wait on God.
 

Simao

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@Ugly

You make a valid point by advising me to lower my expectations even though it sounds counter-intuitive and I guess I could engage in a friendly non-confrontational conversation with these kinds of people but I guess the main problem would arise when they bring their sin to the forefront and i'm tasked with reacting foolishly to be accepted or staying silent. I don't think we're commanded to stay silent at that point. I'm not really afraid of getting confrontational (in a loving way), at least in the online realm but I do fear a time where I will be rejected by all corners of society for staying true to my morals and nobody will allow me into their social circle per se or they'll just keep me at the bottom of the totem pole, so they can have someone laugh at and spit on for being too "old-fashioned". About the movies, I've stopped watching them a long time ago. I had to deny an invitation to go see a movie once because the movie had a sinister agenda behind it.

@Laish
Easier said than done especially when it's (in many cases) us against the world. Nevertheless, thanks for your input.

@Dan58
I couldn't find the right word Dan, so I choose the one that made most sense to me. Good verse for me to reference. Thanks

@KimmyO
I get the impression that if i'm sitting at the table with them, this would express acceptance or that i'm unhindered by their behavior. It could just be me, but I feel like not long ago people regardless of the way they thought could interact together in a mannerly way, being sensitive towards others and how they would perceive things. To give an example; me and my neurologist were discussing various brain disorders and he mentioned that some people cannot control their own bowel movements due to said disorder. and he described it as them "pooping" in their pants. He immediately apologized for the way in which he communicated his point which was a (don't want to say necessary) but polite action on his part. even though this didn't bother me in particular.
 
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Jesus gave us a great "life hack" for these situations. If you know why you should be acting in a loving and honorable way... and you do... then you're passing the test. Those that don't know why they should be acting more "uprightly"... they may not know why they should.

The hack lies in the words, "forgive them, for they know not what they do."

They may be nice people.. and they may need to see the love of Christ in your life shining through to them so they can begin to want it too.

God did not force any of us to come here and learn... we chose to come here and learn.

Ask yourself if you came here to learn intolerance for people that don't know any better.. or if you came to learn patience and love to others... without respect of persons.
 

Ericfocus

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May 19, 2018
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Hey. One thing is that you will never be rejected by everyone. I have struggled with this myself because of being an introvert and non confrontational. Rather than calling someone out, it was easier just to move on.

What worked for me was putting some work into establishing a relationship. That didn't mean compromising anything but to find something in common. Then, it was easier to talk on a personal level with that person. Honestly, most times it would end as an acquaintance but I made at least a couple of close friends from church.

I try to remember we're all just bumbling our way through life trying to be Jesus followers. We need to encourage others as much as we need encouragement. Praying for you!
 

oldethennew

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you don't incorporate,

11CO. 6:17-18.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be you separate, saith The Lord, and touch not the unclean;
and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, saith The Lord Almighty.

LUKE 11:33.
No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel,
but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the Light.
 

Aboundingjoy

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Let's not forget that this is the world (that we hold our nose to) that Jesus loved. He did the unthinkable. He became man and walked, talked, ate with, hung out with, touched, partied with, wept with... the morally corrupt, bankrupt men and women. He intentionally sought out those on the fringes of society...and loved them, forgave them...and became their friend.

I understand your struggles. But I think that's what makes our Christian faith that much more remarkable. It is unimaginable to think that while we want to separate ourselves from the corrupt and sinful, the Holy God seeks to embrace them. How ironic, no? And Jesus also said that those who have been forgiven much loves much, but those who have been forgiven little, love little. And so, it's imperative that we understand the depth of our own wretchedness and realize how much we have been loved and forgiven! And if the Lord would forgive us, and if He could give us a new heart to transform us into His own image, can He not do this for other lost souls?
 

Born_Again

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Francis Chan said it very well "you may be the only bible some people see" Remember to be in the world and not of it. Live an obedient and godly life even in the worst of company.
 

DiscipleDave

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I can not for my life of me surround myself with people who are prideful, obnoxious, conceited, sexually deviant, immodest, revilers, lovers of money etc, etc. I am so repulsed by it that I cannot even be in the presence of such persons. For example: if I enter a chat room and all I see are people talking about getting high, cussing at each other, gossiping or making any sort of unholy, inappropriate remarks. I leave straight away. I can't just pretend it's normal. And I know this may sound condescending but between this and my social anxiety, I honestly wonder if I'll ever be able to make friends and be engaged in a satisfying relationship. If you think i'm wrong, tell me how have you managed to build and sustain close relationships with others who's thoughts and emotions are defined by a corrupt/wrongly influenced society? I mightily struggle relating to anyone in general. Half of me longs for social intimacy and I know God structured us with this need, but the other half is telling me I'm just not equipped to coincide. And the way I see it, my generation and each one that has followed it's predecessor has only gotten worse and worse.
First off know and understand who the god of this world currently is:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


satan is the god of this world, so guess who the majority of the humans of this world are going to follow and obey? Your master is to whom you freely choose to obey, is that not written?

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) (Their sinning)

Those who live ungodly will not escape His wrath. Sounds like you are like Lot, who was vexed daily because of the people around him. i too experience this when around people of the world, which many of them proclaim to be believers in Jesus. What City is not like Sodom? What town is not like Gomorrha? The World is fit for destruction, fit and ready to be harvested and all the tares burned. The first half of the 7 year Tribulation Period will burn the Earth black.

i, in this world, am like a hermit. for what fellowship hath light with darkness? They do not mix, nor relate to each other. Many are on the broad and easy path that leads to destruction, all the while with Jesus on their lips, and porn on their computers. But only a very few in the world are on that narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting. If a True Christian chooses to walk that path, then be prepared to walk it ALONE. But your not alone, Jesus will be with you the whole way, as long as you remain on the narrow and difficult path that leads to Eternal Salvation. But be prepared to lose your life, lose your friends, lose your family, be prepared to lose everything. Jesus gave His life for YOU, you in a like manner should be willing to give up your life for Him. What? You say you are willing to give up your life for Him, but are unwilling to give up that sin that so easily besets you?

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


Oh if this generation would merely believe that verse and what it plainly teaches, instead of CHANGING what it says via their own interpretations. Scriptures plainly teaches to "Sin no more" but let a person teach that in this world and see just how alone they become. This world loves to sin, and are not willing to get rid of the sin that so easily besets them, but this generation would rather make excuses, just as long as they can continue to live in sin and still think they are Heaven bound. Woe to this generation indeed.

Give up this life, for a life of Eternity. Give up your sinful life of 70+ years for a life of Forever.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

Simao

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Oct 30, 2017
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First off know and understand who the god of this world currently is:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

satan is the god of this world, so guess who the majority of the humans of this world are going to follow and obey? Your master is to whom you freely choose to obey, is that not written?

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)(Their sinning)

Those who live ungodly will not escape His wrath. Sounds like you are like Lot, who was vexed daily because of the people around him. i too experience this when around people of the world, which many of them proclaim to be believers in Jesus. What City is not like Sodom? What town is not like Gomorrha? The World is fit for destruction, fit and ready to be harvested and all the tares burned. The first half of the 7 year Tribulation Period will burn the Earth black.

i, in this world, am like a hermit. for what fellowship hath light with darkness? They do not mix, nor relate to each other. Many are on the broad and easy path that leads to destruction, all the while with Jesus on their lips, and porn on their computers. But only a very few in the world are on that narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting. If a True Christian chooses to walk that path, then be prepared to walk it ALONE. But your not alone, Jesus will be with you the whole way, as long as you remain on the narrow and difficult path that leads to Eternal Salvation. But be prepared to lose your life, lose your friends, lose your family, be prepared to lose everything. Jesus gave His life for YOU, you in a like manner should be willing to give up your life for Him. What? You say you are willing to give up your life for Him, but are unwilling to give up that sin that so easily besets you?

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Oh if this generation would merely believe that verse and what it plainly teaches, instead of CHANGING what it says via their own interpretations. Scriptures plainly teaches to "Sin no more" but let a person teach that in this world and see just how alone they become. This world loves to sin, and are not willing to get rid of the sin that so easily besets them, but this generation would rather make excuses, just as long as they can continue to live in sin and still think they are Heaven bound. Woe to this generation indeed.

Give up this life, for a life of Eternity. Give up your sinful life of 70+ years for a life of Forever.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Dave, I'm not entirely understanding your message because your sort of preaching to the choir. But how's your life? Do you have anyone to talk to? My couple friends drifted away the moment the curtain came down on our high school days. They aren't saved but neither was I at the time. That was 7 years ago. 7 years of having no one to share your thoughts and interests with. I am a very opinionated, lively, energetic, social-able person and here I am stuck in the wilderness. Life passing me by. Can't even hold down a job because of anxiety. I can communicate to Jesus all day but it's one-way traffic. Even worse, not only do I struggle developing meaningful relationships, I don't know where to go online to meet anybody like me. Everywhere is filth. CC being the one exception but most of the regulars on this site are 30+ years older than I am, totally cool but I just cannot relate to them nor do I expect them to relate to me. So who do I have? And your telling me to give up on this life for a life of forever? If this life is forever, I rather be dead. It's like salvation is important but after you're saved there's nothing left to do but await death.
 

Smitty

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Hey. One thing is that you will never be rejected by everyone. I have struggled with this myself because of being an introvert and non confrontational. Rather than calling someone out, it was easier just to move on.

What worked for me was putting some work into establishing a relationship. That didn't mean compromising anything but to find something in common. Then, it was easier to talk on a personal level with that person. Honestly, most times it would end as an acquaintance but I made at least a couple of close friends from church.

I try to remember we're all just bumbling our way through life trying to be Jesus followers. We need to encourage others as much as we need encouragement. Praying for you!
I know it sounds weird. Sometimes it isn't compromising as it is relaxing. My struggle was with letting even people who just want to be friends get close. We get use to be the one that sticks out, because of our faith. Let us close enough to like you. Maybe you wont be the odd one out