I have had enough

[bikerchaz]

When I was a small child I remember coming home on several occasions and being alone, my mother or father were nowhere to be found, and I became afraid that the rapture had come and I had been left behind. I can hear some of you saying "AAHHHhh that is cute" NO! it is not CUTE it is not nice. it is child abuse. The fear of being alone as a small child was overwhelming and if anyone out there comes across this situation, shame on you for letting it continue, it is child abuse, the child in question should know that until adult hood and being able to make their own choice to accept Jesus as Lord they are covered by their parents faith through the order of Melchizedek and it is the parents who are at fault for neglecting the child. (please note that this makes me so angry because of the fear I felt. There is no excuse for this situation and if I come across it I will report it as abuse to the authorities.)

Throughout my life things have happened that have made me feel as if I only just made it into a state of grace by the skin of my teeth. If this last statement has not touched you in some way then you are not a Christian. Why? Because a state of grace is just that, a state of grace. it is not earned or worked for, it is not striven for as if you let up it will be just out of reach . . . If that is the case in your life ask Jesus to show you through His word how we are with Him no matter what and that it is His job to hold us in His arms, we do not envelop ourselves in Him He envelopes us, me, you. When we slip and fall we cry out and it is His arms that "Hold us up", all we do is slip and squirm.

Although I was saved in 1998 I have always known God existed and He has always had an effect on my life in some way. I have been shown that it dose not matter what you call yourself as a Christian. I have been shown that it does not matter how and why you believe, I have been shown that the reason for the "smouldering flax" not being snuffed out is that somewhere in the mix is a heart that belongs to Jesus, and also it will not take much to re-ignite the flame so it will burn bright and true. so do not be quick to judge others for not belonging to your church because it is not your church, it belongs to Jesus not to you.

I have recently been trying to raise funds to send bibles to a friend in another country. I have been around and asked but am only met by mis-trust and questioning that have implied that I am trying to fund a life stile that is not for Jesus, or just with complete silence. Even if I were to do this should we not "suffer yourselves to be defrauded" I ask you if you have been asked for anything whether for God or not? And now I ask you how did you react? I hear all sorts when this question comes up, 'Oh I paid for a meal in McDonald's' or ' you cant give them money you know, they will just spend it on drugs'. There is a side to human nature that stops most people, if not begging, from explaining why they are begging. And is it your business? Do you have to know the ins and out of another persons life. I am going to leave this with a question of my own, when Jesus said "Sell all you have and give it to the poor" did he say "and leave any for yourself" Jesus obviously new that the continuing income would be able to look after the family and commitments of the recipient of this statement, because Jesus is not stupid or uncaring, but there were no proviso's given for the distribution of this wealth like it only has to go on rent or food. so why do we do this?

 

[presidente]

When I was a small child I remember coming home on several occasions and being alone, my mother or father were nowhere to be found, and I became afraid that the rapture had come and I had been left behind. I can hear some of you saying "AAHHHhh that is cute" NO! it is not CUTE it is not nice. it is child abuse.

I had a friend who said the same thing would happen to him. How about if we teach children it won't happen until the man of sin be revealed, and that Jesus is coming back to give the church rest when He returns to execute judgment on them that believe not.

The fear of being alone as a small child was overwhelming and if anyone out there comes across this situation, shame on you for letting it continue, it is child abuse, the child in question should know that until adult hood and being able to make their own choice to accept Jesus as Lord they are covered by their parents faith through the order of Melchizedek and it is the parents who are at fault for neglecting the child.

How can the child 'know' that, or how can anyone know that, since the Bible does not teach that a child is covered by the parents' faith? Where has God revealed this idea? I can't find it in the Bible. And why throw in the passage about the order of Mechizedek from Hebrews? What does that passage have to do with the concept of an age of accountability.

If your unbiblically supported theory were true, why would it apply to a child old enough to be afraid that the rapture had taken place and that he had missed it?

please note that this makes me so angry because of the fear I felt. There is no excuse for this situation and if I come across it I will report it as abuse to the authorities.)

I hope your state has some kind of penalty for those who file frivolous reports. You may have felt fear. But it would be awful to live in a society where social services comes and takes the kids away over every small report. And getting those people involved in the lives of people just because they teach a pre-trib rapture could be a very rotten thing to do.

I don't agree with the whole pre-trib scenario, but there are worse things of a child being afraid of being under the wrath of God for his or her sin.

 

[bikerchaz]

Oresidente you are wrong. You do not know your scripture. The child is covered by the parent! I am not going to get into a shouting match with you especially as you obviously have an issue that needs to be resolved, which is your problem. See to it yourself

 

[LRG]

Oresidente you are wrong. You do not know your scripture. The child is covered by the parent! I am not going to get into a shouting match with you especially as you obviously have an issue that needs to be resolved, which is your problem. See to it yourself

Not so much being covered by the parent but more the age of accountability. If a child has unsaved parent's then what? My parents were unsaved and one still alive. I became a Christian by reading the New Testament and learning about God and the gospel of Christ through scriptures. Before that I was under the age of accountability. Everyone is saved as an individual and God has special grace for children. What did Jesus say about children?

[h=1]Mark 10:13-15New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]The Little Children and Jesus[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. [SUP]14 [/SUP]When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

As for being left home alone? That would probably cause anxiety and abandonment issues. That would be considered neglect. I can relate somewhat. I never had the key to the house when I was a kid and would come home and had to sit outside and wait for my mom to come home from shopping. I had no idea where she was but assumed shopping. Nothing was told me in advance so what choice did I have but to wait. Didn't matter the weather either. Raining or snowing and cold.

Neglectful parent's make you feel invisible and insecure. The after affects last a lifetime but you need to try to build your own security and most of all you are secure in Christ.

 

[psychomom]

chaz...i'm so sorry you've felt hurt and abandoned.

my friend David tells an awesome story about his brother, who is wealthy.

David's family was at a hotel with his brother and family, at the brother's expense.
they were at the pool, and a man came up asking for a specific sum of money.
he said he needed it to get home to his family, for his wife has become ill while he was traveling,
but his wallet had been stolen, and all he wanted was bus fare to get home.

David's brother gave it to him, but asked, won't you need to eat something? you look hungry.
so he gave the man much more than he had asked for...including $$ to do something for his family.

after the man left, David's children asked their uncle if it was wise to just give that guy money.
after all, he had no way of knowing if the story was true...
their uncle replied that it was his responsibility to help the man, that was between him (the uncle) and God.
what the man did with it...that was between God and that man.

 

[Jamal]

When I was a small child I remember coming home on several occasions and being alone, my mother or father were nowhere to be found, and I became afraid that the rapture had come and I had been left behind.

The Rapture is an abominable teaching. It has been behind so much suffering and corruption! It's also contrary to the Bible!

Teaching kids about an imminent Rapture would lead to fear the moment they feel lost or can't find someone they expect to be able to find. I agree, it's child abuse.

The Rapture has lead to a parade of false prophets, each one in turn giving Christianity a black eye. Each one in turn causing Christians to even love wickedness and suffering in the world because they take it as a sign of an imminent Rapture. You know what I'm talking about, that excited gleam in the eyes of some when the talk about middle-east horrors.

The Bible says that it is appointed for each person to die. Your death is appointed. There will be no Rapture to get you or anyone out of it. But, you will be raptured, but only after you die. You will go up to meet Jesus, but only after you die.

The Rapture was not a popular teaching until the 20th century. It was a mostly unknown doctrine for most of Church history. And, if not for a sick and dieing church today (but, the Church won't die, as the Bible tells us), led by preachers more worried about their filling their pockets than about serving God, the Rapture would be a practically unknown false doctrine today.

 

[presidente]

Oresidente you are wrong. You do not know your scripture. The child is covered by the parent! I am not going to get into a shouting match with you especially as you obviously have an issue that needs to be resolved, which is your problem. See to it yourself

If you think I don't know scripture and you do, then show me the scripture you have in mind so I can know it, too. No shouting match is necessary. Just show these verses you are talking about.

The only thing I can think of that is related is 'else were your children unclean, but now are they holy.' That seems more likely to relate to the concept of mixed children in the Old Testament than salvation.

Honestly, I've never even heard your theory. The two theories I've heard are age of accountability and the idea that a baby needs to be baptized.

 

[The_Wanderer]

If you think I don't know scripture and you do, then show me the scripture you have in mind so I can know it, too. No shouting match is necessary. Just show these verses you are talking about.

The only thing I can think of that is related is 'else were your children unclean, but now are they holy.' That seems more likely to relate to the concept of mixed children in the Old Testament than salvation.

Honestly, I've never even heard your theory. The two theories I've heard are age of accountability and the idea that a baby needs to be baptized.

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