I'm committed to him but I can't stand his father...

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I've been in a long-term relationship with a man and we've decided to spend the rest of our lives together as man and wife. He's a good person, he treats me the way I should be treated, and I get along with all of his family... except for his father.

I consider myself a fairly tolerant and patient person. I grew up with a short-tempered abrasive father and a judgmental religious mother. Together they could scare the love of God into you... or else. But I love my parents and despite their occasionally mean behavior I know in the end they have good hearts and they mean well even if their approach is less than kind... or sometimes devoid of all rationality. The point is, I'm used to unfriendly people.

But my boyfriend's father I can't just ignore. He's that bad. I work in customer service, I filter rude behavior and shouting out 40 hours a week and I've been doing it for years. But I can't filter him out and considering I inherited my father's temper I'm afraid of that day when I finally snap and enter a screaming match with him.

When I first met him I entered his house in time to see him nose to nose with his nephew (who was 12) shouting, "I HATE KIDS!" I ignored it because I didn't see what had built up to that, but after seeing him do that several times after I can only assume the kid had the audacity to laugh too loud at the TV. His wife then showed up with dinner (neither me or my boyfriend had known they were going to give us a meal so we had already eaten about 30 minutes prior). I wasn't hungry but I ate a little to be polite. However I apparently didn't eat enough because I was then angrily shouted at by his father who proceeded to dump more food on my plate and actually said at one point that I couldn't go anywhere until I finished what was on my plate (what am I, 5?!). The next day he drove us all to the mall to shop and catch a movie... driving 75 in a 35, and yelling at me for looking too scared. He spotted my buying earrings and proceeded to shout at me for spending all of my boyfriend's money... despite the fact that I was buying them with my own money as I do with all my stuff. At one point he accused me of being a lesbian because I said Jane Seymour had aged well and told me if I continued to say "that gay trash" in his presence that he and I would have a real problem.

My boyfriend can't help who his father is or what his father does, and he did stand up for me on several occasions proving that when we get married he'll always have my back and has the ability to know the difference between being loyal to his family and allowing a jerk to treat his significant other like garbage. For that I think staying with him is worth it, but I don't know how long I can continue to keep from snapping at his father. I've remained amazingly civil throughout all this and have yet to give him the joy of a fight, but if he keeps working my nerves that day may be fast approaching. Again, I have inherited my father's temper and we both run on fuses too small to see with the naked eye. Has anyone else had a problem like this? So far I've been all out avoiding him and act respectfully or simply remain silent whenever I've forced to be around him. I don't know what else to do.
 
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I work in customer service too and there is a difference between "rude" or abusive customers.Judging by what you are telling us and the examples, I seriously think if you marry your boyfriend , you could be getting into a abusive family. My mother can be demeaning and rude with her words unintentionally because she can't speak english and strangers can be offputting and rude but if they shout and demean me, force me to do what I don't want to do, that is abusive. If you do decide to get married , I would make sure you do not live with his father, allow you to make decisions without him having to demean you and if it gets any worse you will not see his father any more if he continues this behaviour. Don't forget once your married , there no turning back. Shouting may turn into physical etc etc.. but may God don't let that happen. Fix and stop things now before you tie the knot .
 
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Tell your boyfriend girl!
Not the whole thing, but tell him that you feel like yelling at his dad. And if you finally decided to have it out with the grumpy old fuddy duddy, you'd probably want the boyfriend in the room just in case you need backup. ;)
Heck, if he's committed to you, he'll be there for you all the way, or help you find a better solution to dealing with his dad.
Nobody's ever said I was a lesbian, and I talk about how pretty some girls are. And so do the rest of my sisters and friends who are girls. I don't get what his problem is.
Maybe he's had a bad childhood. I'm just gonna give the dude the benefit of the doubt. But it still shouldn't excuse his behavior. That's just abusive.
It's a wonder your man turned out as well as you make him sound.
Good luck though!
 
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keep_on_smiling

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That doesn't sound fun at all. Since you plan on marrying his son, I really would discuss how you feel about his father with him. I think it's important that you talk about this prior to getting married and perhaps you have. Some things to think about is that you probably are not going to be able to change him (the father), so pray for him and as you have been doing show him love. Don't accept his behavior, but don't feed into yelling fits/anger. If he is being disrespectful and hurtful to you, then I would suggest not going around him and hopefully your boyfriend will feel that is the right thing as well. I'm glad he has stuck up for you in the past.

I always hear that when you marry someone, you are marrying their family as well. And to some extent you are because you may have to deal with them every now and then, but in another I think it's very wrong. When you get married, you are marrying that one person and you become ONE with that person. It doesn't have anything to do with the family. So as long as your boyfriend is with you and is willing to side with you and protect you from that abuse (even if that means not seeing the father so often) then you should be fine.

Keep praying, seek God in this situation and have a serious talk about "what ifs" with your boyfriend. :) God bless!
 
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Heh, then don't stand his father.

I spent eight years silently accepting the abuse of my father- and brother-in-law-to-be. These are the kinds of people who remark, loudly, on the clothing of people they pass on the sidewalk. After we we'd been married for about a year, at dinner one night the father told us all the reasons he didn't think it'd work out. According to this philandering divorcee, I wasn't built for monogamy. I broke that poor restaurant's table.

They say you marry the family, but what they really mean is the family often thinks they own you. You're now a son and daughter and they can speak to you like a son or daughter. You must let them know that, despite your connection to their son, they're strangers on the street. If a stranger on the street were to say those sorts of things, you'd make a point never to put yourself in that crazy, dangerous person's presence again. You owe them nothing, even if you owe your spouse everything.

I wrote an open letter to the family, explaining that there'd been some serious misconceptions about our relationship. That, while I enjoyed spending time with the majority of them, they hadn't kept their dogs on leashes. That they'd never see me again and should keep off future in-laws. Did it work? A new wife was recently married into the family. She has some sort of degenerative neurological disorder and uses crutches. Her first Thanksgiving, she left crying.

I'll be honest - the family situation made me move out once, spending my 401(k) on a separate apartment, and it's even recently made me consider divorce. It's brought out a violent streak I didn't know I had; I'd never been spoken to that way before. Lay the ground rules now and do it unambiguously. My suggestions:

#1) He is free to see his family at any time, at any holiday, without penalty.
#2) You are free to avoid his family at any time, at any holiday, without penalty.
#3) Your opinions are your own; he does not need to agree that they are awful and you do not need to accept them.
#4) You understand that being apart is difficult. You will do something over-the-top to compensate.
 
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Thanks for the advice, Mori. I've pretty much taken to avoiding the man entirely because there's nothing good that ever comes out of us being in the same room together. He's always loud, obnoxious, and rude (to put it lightly), and I'm always the short quiet one trying hard not to think about the many ways to stage an accident or wondering if elderberry wine really does mask the odor and taste of a teaspoon full of arsenic, half a teaspoon full of strychnine, and just a pinch of cyanide (if you got that reference, you are awesome). If my boyfriend didn't actually stand up to him whenever he got out of line, I'd abandon the idea of even marrying into any of that. Right now avoiding him is relatively easy, but I guess I should consider laying down the law soon. If/when I ever kids with my boyfriend, there's absolutely no way he will get away with treating them the way he treats me, or people in general for that matter.
 
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I've been in a long-term relationship with a man and we've decided to spend the rest of our lives together as man and wife. He's a good person, he treats me the way I should be treated, and I get along with all of his family... except for his father.
Hi

Thank for the sincere sharing.


Genesis 2:24 quotes, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.'


Your boyfriend's father IS a problem but it is NOT YOUR PROBLEM. More importantly, regardless of his behavior, after both you & your boyfriend get married, you MUST plan to live ON YOUR OWN. And your boyfriend must make a stand that he should NOT get in the way. I emphasis this because since you are not yet married, you want to see whether he will make a stand. If he doesn't and you go ahead and marry, don't be surprise he (his dad) shows up at your house everyday. Prior to marriage, we all have choices and it is important that you utilize yours as well.


That said, am I rude or disrespectful to his dad? I don't think so. As newly married couples, especially the first few years, the man & wife must have their own home, privacy, raise kids and start to build a family. And believe me, some parents don't know how to step back. It takes a lot of courage, especially from the man to keep everyone away while he & his wife build a home!


I have been married > 18 years. My own Mum is a controlling type. After marriage, she did try to run my life. I say No, with my wife's encouragement. The best part was my wife, despite knowing my mum's style, did not retaliate or response negatively. That make me respect my wife more!


The Pastor who officiated my marriage said something that I remember until today and I share with you: YOU MUST LEARN TO LOVE YOUR IN-LAWS FROM AFAR FIRST, THEN YOU WILL LEARN TO LOVE THEM WHEN THEY ARE NEAR.'


What he meant was simply this, after you get married, plan to stay out and keep a distance but continue to love and connect with them (our parents).
FYI, my Mum and I are very close today and she once made a remark about my wife that among all her daughters-in-law, she is the most capable in handling family, kids and life. Of course, I did not say anything but just listen. And it was a great feedback.

Talk to your boyfriend, he must make a stand, in my opinion.

 
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Hi

Thank for the sincere sharing.


Genesis 2:24 quotes, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.'


Your boyfriend's father IS a problem but it is NOT YOUR PROBLEM. More importantly, regardless of his behavior, after both you & your boyfriend get married, you MUST plan to live ON YOUR OWN. And your boyfriend must make a stand that he should NOT get in the way. I emphasis this because since you are not yet married, you want to see whether he will make a stand.

I've already stated twice that he has stood up to his father several times and will continue to do so each time he catches him being out of line or abusive. Also neither of us live with our parents anymore. The separation is already there and we are living on our own (I have been for over 3 years, he for 2) so that won't be a problem. I guess at this point I'm wondering if the best thing is for me to just stay away from the man or if our marriage will depend on me actually being on friendly terms with him. Having not been married I don't know how big of an impact the spouse/in-law relationship has on a marriage. I mean if there's constant arguing then obviously things will be problematic, however if there's simply no relationship whatsoever, thus avoiding conflict, is that as bad as fighting?
 
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mori

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elderberry wine really does mask the odor and taste of a teaspoon full of arsenic, half a teaspoon full of strychnine, and just a pinch of cyanide
Arsenic and Old Lace? I haven't seen that in over a decade, but now I'm going to watch it.
 
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CC_Bride

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Hmm a lot of people here have made some excellent points. My only additional point is if you and your husband to be are doing premarital or something similar, this HAS to be bought up. Its easy for you to avoid him now because your the girlfriend, you live seperately, and hes not part of your biological family. Your future father in law isnt being grumpy, hes being abusive, and the fact that you haven't calmly rebuked this behaviour to his face, your not being respectful your enabling.
Personally I would have nothing to do with him til he learns that his nitpicking and yelling is unacceptable and he stops.
Another thing is, plan with your boyfriend how you are going to deal with his presence. For starters, were you two to have children, what are you going to do to protect them? I bet you wouldn't leave him alone with your children.

Lastly, sounds like you have an awesome relationship with your boyfriend and Im glad hes sticking up for you. But he needs to do more and actually confront both his mother and father (either together or separately) and force them to take the situation seriously. Second thing, have you considered that God may have planned to place you in this family for a reason? Are there younger siblings and family members that are also frustrated or terrified of this man who need godly comfort, encouragement and support? I had to deal with a very verbally abusive stepfather growing up, but since I had known him since I was 5, he was successful at terrifying me very well and I ended up feeling I could do nothing about it, for fear of making it worse and getting a beating. Until my step sister moved in with us. She was 7 years older than me and she became my spokesperson and she regulary defended me against him and had no problem confronting and standing up to him (because she wasn't raised under his influence). I viewed her as a total God send and I loved her dearly. Maybe theres the potential for you to be like that as well.
 
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Dear VikkiKate89,

I know that this is going to sound trite, but this is one of those instances where you just have to put it in God's hands. And by that, I don't just mean praying and aksing Him to take care of it, and guard your heart and mouth (although that wouldn't be a bad idea). I mean literally, turn your father-in-law to be over to him. Whenever the man walks into the room, say to yourself. "OK, God. I can't love this man; probably never might. But I know You do. So how about channeling Your love through me to him? That way, I don't have to get angry because Your love will be what is coming out of me."

That is not an original thought of mine, but I have found it to be very useful several times in my life. I, too, have a volatile temper. Every day I pray that God will guard my heart and mouth so that I am slow to anger and keep my temper under control at all times.

And, if all else fails, you can always take it out on your fiance/husband (just kidding ;) ).

God bless you both.