It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.

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Roughsoul1991

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Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) was an American attorney, planter, politician, and orator best known for his declaration to the Second Virginia Convention (1775): "Give me liberty, or give me death!" A Founding Father, he served as the first and sixth post-colonial Governor of Virginia, from 1776 to 1779 and from 1784 to 1786.


George Whitefield the great pastor of the 1st Great Awakening influenced Samuel Davies who also powerfully influenced Patrick Henry, the firebrand of the American Revolution.


"Davies spoke with uncommon artistry, and Patrick sat in church transfixed." (A Son of Thunder: Patrick Henry and the American Republic by Henry Mayer, 37)


"While he lived, Samuel Davies never failed to encourage the dissenters to be politically active in defense of their right to worship freely." (Farris, 291)
https://teacupsinthegarden.blogspot.com/2016/06/freedom-of-religion-george-whitfield.html?m=1


"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."


"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.


These morals and virtues of Christianity shaped our laws and our country. And it is this very foundation that brought such freedom and prosperity. But today we face a Democratic party that has boldly claimed at their DNC Convention while speaking to a group of atheists. Saying, "religiously unaffiliated Americans overwhelmingly share the Democratic Party’s values." They also voted to remove God out of the swearing of oaths, and even this year purposefully chose to remove Under God in the pledge of allegiance during their 2020 DNC convention.


"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue."


We are seeing the tyrants of governors and their unconstitutional power grabs, we are seeing the absence of morals in our culture and streets, adherence to justice is met with riots and or mocked, moderation has become if it feels good, then do it. Self-restraint a thing of the past. Generations so spoiled and indoctrinated the concepts of frugality has disappeared. And virtue has turned to subjective or relative truths. Absolute virtue or morals are no longer held by many Americans. Now it is only by mob agreement on how to define moral or immoral behaviors and pray they do not lean into the lane of someone like Hitler. This is why for these people, they are only doomed to create a tyrant who will put them in chains.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Just reading the title gave a meaning that can not be set aside
Patrick Henry as most of the founding fathers was the best in the country. They were very wise and intelligent. You can learn so much from their journals and wisdom on many different topics still relevant today.
 
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Patrick Henry as most of the founding fathers was the best in the country. They were very wise and intelligent. You can learn so much from their journals and wisdom on many different topics still relevant today.
well do you have any
 

Roughsoul1991

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Why? Sending dragons to heaven sounds pretty fun right now lol😇😇😌
Nothing is more fun than filling in the great puzzle of our media and culture censorship while pushing back against our schools indoctrination attempts.
 

Lanolin

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when you quote they wanted to worship freely, werent they allowed to worship in their old country?
If I recall, it was catholicsm that was stamped out in England, not protestantism. The kings and queens didnt want to kow tow to the pope.
Just wondering.

Theres as many catholics in america as there are protestants, so not sure what this guy was meaning that he wanted to worship freely. Just what exactly did he mean? No national church, like COE church of england?

The other thing that seems apparent is the american independence day was about not paying taxes to england, it wasnt really about worship, unless they meant the tithes they had to pay to the church of england maybe?
 

Roughsoul1991

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when you quote they wanted to worship freely, werent they allowed to worship in their old country?
If I recall, it was catholicsm that was stamped out in England, not protestantism. The kings and queens didnt want to kow tow to the pope.
Just wondering.

Theres as many catholics in america as there are protestants, so not sure what this guy was meaning that he wanted to worship freely. Just what exactly did he mean? No national church, like COE church of england?

The other thing that seems apparent is the american independence day was about not paying taxes to england, it wasnt really about worship, unless they meant the tithes they had to pay to the church of England maybe?
Yes, they were persecuted and faced death or imprisonment. England had a long history of burning their rebels to the state church at the stake. The Church of England saw the King as thd head of the church and the Reformationists saw Christ as the head of the church. Well that was viewed as a threat by the king.

The Declaration of Independence had 27 grievances. Taxes was only 1. And the Constitution/ Bill of Rights was their answer to corrected those 27 grievances.
 

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Thanks.. I can agree yet for me its not the people forgetting God but God putting someone in office that really stood for Him and look how the enemy reacted. For me what we saw and see now is just a glimpse of whats coming. A man God put in office that in 2016 was looking for help and to help those Christians suffering and in prisons. It still has never made the news how he did help so many.

So we need to always be praying the enemy never ever sleeps
 

Roughsoul1991

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Thanks.. I can agree yet for me its not the people forgetting God but God putting someone in office that really stood for Him and look how the enemy reacted. For me what we saw and see now is just a glimpse of whats coming. A man God put in office that in 2016 was looking for help and to help those Christians suffering and in prisons. It still has never made the news how he did help so many.

So we need to always be praying the enemy never ever sleeps
The enemy may never sleep but neither does God. And the body of the morally upright is so numerous to never sleep either.
 

Lanolin

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Yes, they were persecuted and faced death or imprisonment. England had a long history of burning their rebels to the state church at the stake. The Church of England saw the King as thd head of the church and the Reformationists saw Christ as the head of the church. Well that was viewed as a threat by the king.

The Declaration of Independence had 27 grievances. Taxes was only 1. And the Constitution/ Bill of Rights was their answer to corrected those 27 grievances.
sounds like the wittenburg church door thing all over again. But that one had 95 theses.

Are you glad you dont have a royal family and have presidents instead?
Even though in England the crown doesnt actually have that much power and they have Prime Ministers elected in now?
 

Roughsoul1991

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sounds like the wittenburg church door thing all over again. But that one had 95 theses.

Are you glad you dont have a royal family and have presidents instead?
Even though in England the crown doesnt actually have that much power and they have Prime Ministers elected in now?
Well, the 95 thesis is what led to the Pilgrim's separation. They were part of the great schism.

Yes I am thankful we have presidents instead but only in a fair and just Democratic system.

The Queen is still considered head of the church.

The supreme governor of the Church of England is the titular head of the Church of England, a position which is vested in the British monarch.[1] Although the monarch's authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity, the position is still very relevant to the church. As the supreme governor, the monarch formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the prime minister of the United Kingdom, who is in turn advised by church leaders.[1]
 

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a lot of people do respect the Queen of England here, and hold her up to a high moral standard of integrity I am not sure about in america, how people perceive the Queen and latest dramas of Prince Harry marrying an american lady and leaving his royal duties.

But here Princess meghan gets both bad publicity and a certain sneaking sympathy.

Im not part of chuch of england but its still the majority of the denomination in nz. although if combining all the other denoms there are more non anglican christians than anglicans.

in america the president is there everyday in the news, but in England there are royalists and royal watcher who devote entire lives to watching their every move. And if the Queen and her entourage ever visit their local hospital and cut the ribbon or plant a tree, people go a bit crazy and line up to see her. There is a bit of a frenzy when the royals come to visit, even if all they do is smile, wave and wear interesting outfits,
 

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roughsoul would you say the american system is fair, just and democratic?

I am not sure that it is, but then I dont live there.


I thought the 95 theses was what led to lutherans coming out of catholicism, its not really related all that much to what happened in england when King Henry wanted to divorce and marry eight wives...and installing himself as head of the church instead of the pope. Then killing of whoever disagreed with him.

sounds like a tyrant to me. Although years later maybe some good has come of it as God is able to convert even those in high places. People had this. notion of the 'divine right of kings' but its clear that many kings have failed in their reign.

which is why we all need Jesus.
 

Roughsoul1991

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a lot of people do respect the Queen of England here, and hold her up to a high moral standard of integrity I am not sure about in america, how people perceive the Queen and latest dramas of Prince Harry marrying an american lady and leaving his royal duties.

But here Princess meghan gets both bad publicity and a certain sneaking sympathy.

Im not part of chuch of england but its still the majority of the denomination in nz. although if combining all the other denoms there are more non anglican christians than anglicans.

in america the president is there everyday in the news, but in England there are royalists and royal watcher who devote entire lives to watching their every move. And if the Queen and her entourage ever visit their local hospital and cut the ribbon or plant a tree, people go a bit crazy and line up to see her. There is a bit of a frenzy when the royals come to visit, even if all they do is smile, wave and wear interesting outfits,
Many people here love the royal family but more of a famous star type of way like their famous actor. And many do not think twice about the royal family. Our media sheds mostly good light on the royal family and negative light on our conservative leaders.
 

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I think it would be hard to be the president of the united states right now as whoever is in power because its always a two party battle, half the people have already made up their mind to hate and the other half seem to have undying devotion. Its kind of like the american idol tv show on who has the most charisma and counts on the number of votes for those who havent made up their mind
 

Roughsoul1991

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roughsoul would you say the american system is fair, just and democratic?

I am not sure that it is, but then I dont live there.


I thought the 95 theses was what led to lutherans coming out of catholicism, its not really related all that much to what happened in england when King Henry wanted to divorce and marry eight wives...and installing himself as head of the church instead of the pope. Then killing of whoever disagreed with him.

sounds like a tyrant to me. Although years later maybe some good has come of it as God is able to convert even those in high places. People had this. notion of the 'divine right of kings' but its clear that many kings have failed in their reign.

which is why we all need Jesus.
It was by majority fair but had its flaws that we often could account for. But this year we are experiencing something our country has never seen and it has led to many legal battles to determine how fair and just our system still is. Time will tell.

I thought the 95 theses was what led to lutherans coming out of catholicism, its not really related all that much to what happened in england when King Henry wanted to divorce and marry eight wives...and installing himself as head of the church instead of the pope. Then killing of whoever disagreed with him.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2014/November/How-the-Pilgrims-and-Reformation-Formed-America

Martin Luther started something that eventually began the Protestant movement which consists of many denominations and groups like the Pilgrims.

https://www.history.com/news/henry-viii-divorce-reformation-catholic-church

It was Henry's actions that led to more in England to separate from the Church of England and flee to practice their religion as they believed.
 

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I think it would be hard to be the president of the united states right now as whoever is in power because its always a two party battle, half the people have already made up their mind to hate and the other half seem to have undying devotion. Its kind of like the american idol tv show on who has the most charisma and counts on the number of votes for those who havent made up their mind
Our first president George Washington actually had a dire warning to his fellow citizens to avoid a 2 party system. Unfortunately even as he spoke the words below, the country was already going down that path.


“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissensions, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils, and enfeeble the public administration.

It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another. There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty.

This, within certain limits, is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favour, upon the spirit of party: but, in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.”