Lennon, Marxism, and Today

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Roughsoul1991

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I saw KKK break up the sugar cane festival in New Iberia Louisiana in about 79. I was there and ran through a sugar cane field to get away. . I was there

I saw on all news outlets including Fox what happened in Charlottesville, even Trump admitted it. The liberal media criticized him because he didn't denounce the right wing radicals (Radicals are not conservatives) but he should have denounced both sides.

True the Nazi party was originally socialist however true socialists' don't believe in totalitarian governments. Hitler wanted to dictate so his henchmen murdered most German Socialist leaders on June 30, 1934. Fearing that the paramilitary SA had become too powerful, Hitler ordered his elite SS guards to murder the organization’s leaders (co Britannica) He then appointed himself chancellor and Fuhrer.

If you think I support Biden, YOUR WRONG. I was in favor of enacting the 25th amendment so Mike Pence could become president all along. I would have voted for Pence.

BLM and Antifa are left wing radicals that need to be put down.
I do not believe I pinned you as a Biden supporter. You seem like the write in type or no voting type.

The media lied about trump and Charlottesville. He did call out the radicals. Not everyone their we're radicals.

Where do you get this?
true socialists' don't believe in totalitarian governments.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I consider the wall radical because it's radically expensive. I oppose it because a) it's radically expensive b) it won't work b) c) it's overly nationalistic.

The rest of the list I don't consider radical. but I oppose them, as is my right to have my own opinions, just like you do. If you want my personal opinions on why I oppose the rest. Send me a PM and I'll be proud to send you back an itemized list of reasons.
Segregation seems radical to me.

Deregulation of banks seems to free up corruption.

But the wall works as to why the majority of the border patrol unions and agents spoke out in support of Trump.

"Where the wall goes up, the number of illegal crossings—and crime—goes down. Put simply, “Walls Work.” Our Border Patrol agents know this. Perhaps more importantly, criminals know this.

Here in the Rio Grande Valley Sector, our Border Patrol agents observe that human smugglers are changing their tactics due to the wall system and are attempting to cross through areas that are easier to surveil.

In Zone 1 here in RGV, we have seen a 26 percent decrease in narcotics seizures since the start of border wall system construction.

In Yuma Sector, illegal entries in the areas with a border wall system decreased by 87 percent in Fiscal Year 2020 compared to FY 2019.

In Tucson Sector, narcotic seizures decreased in between the Ports of Entry between FY2019 and FY2020 thanks to capabilities provided to our agents by the wall system. Overall, drug seizures in the sector are down 25 percent.

And over the past four years, because each new mile of border wall system pushes the cartels to ports of entry or other areas that are easier to surveil, DHS has seized more than 4 million pounds of hard drugs like fentanyl, cocaine, and methamphetamine—which is almost double the annualized amount of drugs seized between 2009 and 2017.

But if you still are not convinced, consider the following:

In areas where the new border wall system has been deployed, we will be able to redeploy thousands of Border Patrol agents per year to other areas of need.

In areas where new border wall system has been deployed, we now decide where border crossings take place—not smugglers. The wall system allows our agents to pick their battleground by forcing drug smugglers, human traffickers, and other criminals to pass through areas easy to surveil or our Ports of Entry.

The wall has provided our Border Patrol agents:

  • increased situational awareness,
  • improved access and mobility,
  • additional time to detect and apprehend individuals attempting to enter our country illegally.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29...chad-f-wolf-celebration-400-miles-border-wall
 

calibob

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So do we. I and my family check Aldies first as in Lawton OK wally world and aldies are right across the street from each other.
@Blackpowderduelist I was typing and sent you a P.M. regarding some of your questions. I wasn't ignoring you nor am I angry. you should get it in moments. Ciao.
 

calibob

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I used to live within sight of the San Diego / Tijuana border. many poor Mexicans come across looking for a better life.The rich cartels hire mine engineers to build tunnels with mine carts and and smuggle dope this way and weapons the other right under Border Control/ICE's noses. From and to stash houses on both sides.

My son in laws father, worked with a contractor and help build a sample wall for inspectors to examine. On a Monday, a local gang (that left there 'tag' on the wall) used something like thermite and burned a whole right thru it, As a joke they think.

I think it's a big waste of $$$
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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@Blackpowderduelist I was typing and sent you a P.M. regarding some of your questions. I wasn't ignoring you nor am I angry. you should get it in moments. Ciao.
I'm not offended or angry, and neither do I think that you are. Men have better constitution than the boys who are so prevalent these days.

Respect brother.

And we don't have to agree on everything either.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I used to live within sight of the San Diego / Tijuana border. many poor Mexicans come across looking for a better life.The rich cartels hire mine engineers to build tunnels with mine carts and and smuggle dope this way and weapons the other right under Border Control/ICE's noses. From and to stash houses on both sides.

My son in laws father, worked with a contractor and help build a sample wall for inspectors to examine. On a Monday, a local gang (that left there 'tag' on the wall) used something like thermite and burned a whole right thru it, As a joke they think.

I think it's a big waste of $$$
Agreed the wall is a waste of money and nothing more than a canard. We need real immigration reform that is likely impossible with out a better agreement with foreign countries. Honestly I think the only solution would be to annex Mexico and central America all the way to the South American continent.
 

calibob

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Agreed the wall is a waste of money and nothing more than a canard. We need real immigration reform that is likely impossible with out a better agreement with foreign countries. Honestly I think the only solution would be to annex Mexico and central America all the way to the South American continent.
I've been saying that for decades. Peace :cool:
 

bojack

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Agreed the wall is a waste of money and nothing more than a canard. We need real immigration reform that is likely impossible with out a better agreement with foreign countries. Honestly I think the only solution would be to annex Mexico and central America all the way to the South American continent.
Mexico has as many rich natural resources as the US and a wall at our southern border has been law for years .. Legal immigrants are welcome and always have been .. Other folks from around the world would like a chance at becoming American citizens too ..
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Mexico has as many rich natural resources as the US and a wall at our southern border has been law for years .. Legal immigrants are welcome and always have been .. Other folks from around the world would like a chance at becoming American citizens too ..
I don't care about immigration one way or another. I care about the horrific crime committed there as a result of our very stupid immigration laws.
I also care about the dismal human conditions of regular folks south of the border.
 

bojack

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I don't care about immigration one way or another. I care about the horrific crime committed there as a result of our very stupid immigration laws.
What is stupid about them unless they are not enforced ?
 

calibob

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I do not believe I pinned you as a Biden supporter. You seem like the write in type or no voting type.

The media lied about trump and Charlottesville. He did call out the radicals. Not everyone their we're radicals.

Where do you get this?
Communists are not true socialists because socialists believe in sharing the wealth. Communists believe the state should take it all and dole it out as they see fit. Many Communists and fascists have claimed to be socialist because it sounds better. They were lying.

It's very difficult to tell the difference unless you are very familiar. Like counterfeit paper money. An experienced cashier that handles money all day, every day, can tell by feel. If 2 $100 bills are stuck together like Velcro, they can feel it. Or if the ink won't smear right. A rookie cannot. So they use marking pens that react differently by color on legitimate ink. Yellow good, black bogus. There's no such test to tell who's a fraud and who isn't politically. If they sound to good to be true, it most likely isn't. (Like Bernie Sanders.)

You were correct about write in or abstain, (sometimes) regarding my voting record. Good call.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Communists are not true socialists because socialists believe in sharing the wealth. Communists believe the state should take it all and dole it out as they see fit. Many Communists and fascists have claimed to be socialist because it sounds better. They were lying.

It's very difficult to tell the difference unless you are very familiar. Like counterfeit paper money. An experienced cashier that handles money all day, every day, can tell by feel. If 2 $100 bills are stuck together like Velcro, they can feel it. Or if the ink won't smear right. A rookie cannot. So they use marking pens that react differently by color on legitimate ink. Yellow good, black bogus. There's no such test to tell who's a fraud and who isn't politically. If they sound to good to be true, it most likely isn't. (Like Bernie Sanders.)

You were correct about write in or abstain, (sometimes) regarding my voting record. Good call.
Not according to Marx. Communism or the commune of needs is the final step of socialism. Socialism according to Marx must have a dictator to force people into the socialism mindset and once generations have gone by according to his theory the dictator could finally step down.

According to this, communism has never been achieved.
 

Nehemiah6

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... socialists believe in sharing the wealth...
Translation: Rob hard-working citizens so that the fat cats can vacation in Costa Rica (or some other paradise, as long as it is not Marxist).

Socialism is an ABYSMAL FAILURE. If that has not sunk in already, then it never will. The only system which benefits the most is free enterprise -- not capitalism where a handful of capitalists grab all the profits.

Western societies have been systematically destroying small businesses and making billionaires into trillionaires with their economic and taxation policies. And if -- God forbid -- Biden-Harris take control of America, it will quickly become Venezuela.
 

Lanolin

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is it Lennon or Lenin

both capitalism and communism are flawd cos they dont take into accoount humans nature to sin and so the ideal society is never going to be achieved in either system.
 

Roughsoul1991

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is it Lennon or Lenin

both capitalism and communism are flawd cos they dont take into accoount humans nature to sin and so the ideal society is never going to be achieved in either system.
It is Lenin. It was a spelling error.
 

Roughsoul1991

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is it Lennon or Lenin

both capitalism and communism are flawd cos they dont take into accoount humans nature to sin and so the ideal society is never going to be achieved in either system.
Any human system will have flaws. Just some worse than others. And this is why religion and morality are crucial to a good government who will help promote good economics.
 

Lanolin

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mm that is interesting about the concept of annexing mexico but I dont think the mexicans in power would agree unless something in it for them or they had proper or proportionate representation in govt.

To me it seems the immigration laws are not working, as so many illegal immigrants would be legal if things were easier on both sides, because both countries need the labour and the funds. There is also a language and culture barrier, if say english was taught in mexico and spanish was core curriculum in us there might be more understanding on both sides.

in nz we have migrant and working visas and we do have proper screening and also actually help migrants settle here. but the thing is because of currency inequalities its very imbalanced. Like richer migrants can just buy up land with their pin money, leading to property shortages and houses sitting empty while there are homelss people! poor migrants struggle and are stuck. and if they dont have decent jobs or education they then become a drain on the country.

it is just a sad state of affairs that theres a huge gap between rich and poor all over the world, and it seems nothing that we devise as humans, no system will remedy this.

Jesus was clearly on the side of the poor who he said would be blessed, though that blessing may not actually translate into material riches in ones lifetime. When Mary was singing at Jesus conception she mentioned in Luke 1:52-53 how God would deal with this