Licenses and Lying

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Twistii

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You'd have to check the law of course but especially since this is not a crime mentioned in scripture directly relating to something specific, I think you've done what you can by telling whomever that you cannot help them because it violates your conscience and you don't want to know any more about it.
Hi Mii,
Regarding the telling whomever,
I’m not sure if you’re speaking hypothetically, or in reality.
But I haven’t told them about that stuff, and I think the concept of conscience violation would be sorta weird in this context (to them at least).

But if u don’t mind me asking, do you think I should give a call and see if I can find out if I’m legally obligated to be an informant of

1) if there are people I know whose contunuing education was not actually completed

2) if in the future, my parents get their licenses renewed and haven’t actually completed their continuing education

Also, thank you for your long and detailed reply, I’m not trying to be sarcastic :)
 

Twistii

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You are asking a hypothetical question concerning an event which has not taken place. Talk to your parents ... let them know they are putting themselves and the salon owner at risk. Your parents might heed your advice and complete their courses as required.


Matthew 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Hi reneweddaybyday,
I hope it’s okay if I ask you something.
When time comes, and my Dad would like for me to help him in getting his and my mother’s licenses renewed, and their continuing education is not completed (and it says that it is),
I’m curious if it would be okay for me to tell my parents they should get their continuing education done (in a loving manner), but

if I simply translate anything my Dad needs translated (in the process of getting my parents’ licenses renewed)

as opposed to doing a lot of the process myself,

Would that be okay?

Or should I simply abstain from any assistance with that, whatsoever.

Thank you for the time spent helping me. God bless.
 
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Hi reneweddaybyday,
I hope it’s okay if I ask you something.
When time comes, and my Dad would like for me to help him in getting his and my mother’s licenses renewed, and their continuing education is not completed (and it says that it is),
I’m curious if it would be okay for me to tell my parents they should get their continuing education done (in a loving manner), but

if I simply translate anything my Dad needs translated (in the process of getting my parents’ licenses renewed)

as opposed to doing a lot of the process myself,

Would that be okay?

Or should I simply abstain from any assistance with that, whatsoever.

Thank you for the time spent helping me. God bless.
Do you know the requirements for nail technicians in the State where your parents reside?



 

Twistii

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Do you know the requirements for nail technicians in the State where your parents reside?



Well it seems to me that nail technicians are supposed to complete five hours of continuing education every two years.
 
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Well it seems to me that nail technicians are supposed to complete five hours of continuing education every two years.
Your parents need to complete the requirements of the licensing board.

If your parents need assistance in translating materials you should find out from the state licensing board if you can translate for your parents.

Does the owner of the salon where your parents work speak the language of your parents? Can that person help them? It seems to me that it would be a great benefit to the salon owner to have licensed nail technicians working in the salon ...



 

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Hi everyone.

God bless you all.

I'm currently in a bit of a pickle right now.

So, I have non-Christian parents who are immigrants from a foreign country.

Their English ability is currently not at a very high level (not that I'm necessarily trying to state that it ought to be).

They work as nail technicians in a nail salon.

Every two years nail technicians are supposed to complete five hours of continuing education if they wish to renew their license.

Apparently, some books we have were mailed to my parents from my state's State Board (I don't know when).

With a book, it seems like you can complete the course in the book, and affirm online that you've done it, and also pay money online (essentially, I don't think they try to test your knowledge, it's more of a, click a yes box to affirm you did the course and then you pay up).

Basically, per the orders of my father, (not that I'm necessarily trying to state that what I've done is therefore justified),

I think I affirmed for both my mother and father that they had completed the course in the book (when they hadn't).

I also answered lies on behalf of my mother and father on a survey the book people wanted us to complete.

A possible question you may have is,

"Why don't they complete the course? It could help them with doing their job the right way."

My response would be

The language used in the book is like an academic textbook, I suppose. Let's say an average native English speaker has a pretty decent level of comprehension of English and may encounter some level of challenge in trying to understand the text (which in my opinion, probably would still not be a very high hurdle for them). I'm sure my parents would have a very, very, difficult time trying to understand the text.

A possible question you may have is,

"Why don't you help them understand the text?"

My response would be

Well, I am willing to try to help them understand the text. But I think the language barrier between us and language obstacles in the way provide too much of a challenge for them to be willing to comply. I assume it would take hard work
and time, and I think my parents feel like they have enough going on in their lives.

A possible question you may have is,

"Why not go somewhere or use a course in their native language?"

My response would be

Based on what my father has told me, I think you can go to a school in a densely populated city (I think one option might be in a city about an hour and thirty minutes away) and have them teach you or help you through a course or something, but I don't think my parents want to do that.

In addition, (and I hope I don't come off as judgey here) I think I should mention that I think my parents would rather go through with the easy route of lying than go through with completing the course in the book.

Now some questions I have are,

1) When we go through the process of renewing my parents' individual licenses (as opposed to affirming they had completed the course), and they would like me to help, should I refuse to do so? Seeing as how they never truly completed a 2021 course (in the past it's been this way as well, so I believe their current individual licenses aren't "valid").

2) It's not like they're surgeons operating with illegitimate licenses obtained with very little knowledge on the appropriate subject matter, but I really, really, really shouldn't do anything regarding their current individual licenses and the license for the nail salon, right?

It seems to me the answer is to do nothing about them, and if they want me to help them lie, decline, even if they get upset or angry, right?
Can't you just take the test for your parents? I mean, what business does the state have muscling in on your family life, anyway? Who are they to demand a test for nail trimming, the Mafia?
 

Twistii

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Your parents need to complete the requirements of the licensing board.

If your parents need assistance in translating materials you should find out from the state licensing board if you can translate for your parents.

Does the owner of the salon where your parents work speak the language of your parents? Can that person help them? It seems to me that it would be a great benefit to the salon owner to have licensed nail technicians working in the salon ...



If ur referring to a business owner (as opposed to a building owner), they are the business owners
 

Twistii

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Can't you just take the test for your parents? I mean, what business does the state have muscling in on your family life, anyway? Who are they to demand a test for nail trimming, the Mafia?
Hi Moses,
From what I saw this year, there was no test for continuing education.
It was simply completing a confirmation that one did so, if I recall correctly, pretty much we just checked off a box saying my parents did their continuing education course and that was the “test.”
 

Lanolin

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if they tick the box they may actually require evidence that they have done it later. And you cant fake academic transcripts.

They will look up the education provider and if your parents havent even enrolled then they will lose their license.

Come on man you cannot lie and cheat and get awy with it. Its like a doctor continuing to practise withiut even passing his or her exam. Would you trust them? I know some people think 'oh who cares its just nail techinician' but thats not the point. when people go to get their nails done they dont want any old person doing it or they would do it themselves! They want a professional doing it who knows what they are doing.
 

Twistii

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if they tick the box they may actually require evidence that they have done it later. And you cant fake academic transcripts.

They will look up the education provider and if your parents havent even enrolled then they will lose their license.

Come on man you cannot lie and cheat and get awy with it. Its like a doctor continuing to practise withiut even passing his or her exam. Would you trust them? I know some people think 'oh who cares its just nail techinician' but thats not the point. when people go to get their nails done they dont want any old person doing it or they would do it themselves! They want a professional doing it who knows what they are doing.
Tbh i’m not the sure if the State Board rlly cares, or else my parents would’ve been caught a while back right? After all, I think they’ve been doing this for a while
 

Lanolin

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they will get caught sooner or later.

lots of people drive without their licenses and shouldnt be on the road, they will get caught when they do something wrong. You do need a license, otherwise you dont get the benefits as well.

Doing things illegally or under the table isnt right. eg if you dont pay taxes now, the IRS will be on your back later for sure.

Just because the state hasnt immediately jumped on your parents, doesnt mean they wont or dont have the power to do so. Lying can and does land you in jail.
 

Lanolin

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it is better to be honest and say, no, we havent done our continuing education, can we please have the time and opportunity to do it and be granted a license while we are still doing it? (i.e apprenticeship)

a lot of businesses do this and pay apprenticeship wages to those still learning.
 

Twistii

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it is better to be honest and say, no, we havent done our continuing education, can we please have the time and opportunity to do it and be granted a license while we are still doing it? (i.e apprenticeship)

a lot of businesses do this and pay apprenticeship wages to those still learning.
I'm not sure how apprenticeship would tie in
EDIT: at least for my parents' situation
 

Lanolin

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If cost is a barrier, you need to state this. The state might grant free education so the license can be obtained. You dont know unless you ask.
 

Twistii

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If cost is a barrier, you need to state this. The state might grant free education so the license can be obtained. You dont know unless you ask.
I don't think my state itself provides free education (at least for nail technicians). I believe they have a list of approved continuing education providers for cosmetologists though (nail technicians would fall under that category), and all the providers on the list most likely require some form of payment in exchange for the continuing education.
 

Lanolin

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the continuing education might be no more than a couple of weekend workshops.
for most workplaces it might just be a first aid course, a literacy and numeracy test or assesment, or a health and hygiene practice, its not like a whole year of study.
Or it might be broken up into modules. You might do some of it and earn credits.

You might already know how to do everything in the business but its making sure you know how do do things properly. eg. when I did gardening I had to know how to correctly operate a lawnmower. yep, that was assessed. we also had hazard identification.

Nail technicians are around a lot of toxic chemicals in their job. Its not always safe to be working in such an environment!
 

Lanolin

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well yes but it might require payment but it can be waived or loaned (esp of its just a small business start up). when you start to earn profits you can pay them back.

Like most education it can be expensive but it can also be free. depends.
 

Lanolin

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Five hours every two years is nothing lol. That could just be a saturday workshop. Do a first aid course, most of them are free.
 

Twistii

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@Lanolin
Hmm, I’m not sure if first aid is a part of the mandatory stuff.
Also, it was paid like only 30 bucks for the courses, my mom and dad.