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Adrianv125

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What is life?

We know that there is life on this earth. We also know that the same laws that apply to the earth apply to the rest of the whole universe. From this we can conclude that in order for life to exist in other planets the same conditions the earth finds itself in must be the same in the rest of the universe. Meaning it has to be an exact distance from a star so that it doesn't burn away the surface of the planet and exact so that the atmosphere that protects it doesn't disintegrate, the star itself must have the exact output of energy and size so that it both doesn't pull the planet into itself with it's gravity or burn the planet with it's energy. We also know the planet must be at an exact size so that it's gravitational pull doesn't suck every existing thing on the surface and into the ground, such as it happens in Jupiter where if any airborne object gets at a certain distance of it's surface. If there is no satellite in that planet such as our moon and if that planet has water then it will be hard to control the water just like the exact position of the moon and it's gravity controls our seas. The extreme diversity of species we find here on earth is astoundingly hard to reproduce elsewhere, much harder to find a place habitable with the same conditions on earth since not only are the dimensions of the earth a crucial factor for life to exist in it, but every single aspect of the earth and it's relativity to the sun and the moon and the universe and all it's surroundings make it possible for life to be exposed in so many manners and under such favorable conditions for every kind of life forms that it's not logical to say it happened by chance. Matter that has a mind and conscience of it's own didn't achieve it's mind or conscience from itself, it must come from an intelligent source.

Glory be to our Creator, who with the word of His mouth and with His breath gave life it's existence.
 
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On the flip side, in just the observable universe there are hundreds of billions of starts in galaxies and hundreds of billions of galaxies. So, 100,000,000,000 (10^11) stars x 100,000,000,000 (10^11) galaxies = 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10^22) stars, or ten sextillion stars, as just a rough estimate, but it could be a lot more. And that's just the observable universe. Scientists have reasons to believe that the 14.75 billion light-year radius sphere of the observable universe is in fact just a small fraction of the universe as a whole, which we do not currently have any way of observing apart from our own tiny observable portion. As a pure guess, let's suppose the volume of the observable universe is one hundred billionth of the size of the universe. In that case, the number of stars would jump to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10^33) or 1 decillion stars. Of course it could be far more than this.
 
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and if you divide one decillion by 2/4ths then you get 2. 67 poopillion

It would just be easier to say though that there are a lot of freakin stars in space.
 
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So impressive and immense is the universe. And to think that the Creator of the universe would come to this little spec of dust and perform miracles even to this day, but most astonishing of all that He would die for all these pieces of dust and would humble Himself is even more mind boggling!
 
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"For life to exist in other planets the same conditions the earth finds itself in must be the same in the rest of the universe."

That's true only if you assume that only the sort of life that we are familiar with can exist. If you allow the for the possibility of kinds of life that we have not imagined, except maybe in science fiction novels, then that alters the requirements.
 
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distantshores said:
"For life to exist in other planets the same conditions the earth finds itself in must be the same in the rest of the universe."

That's true only if you assume that only the sort of life that we are familiar with can exist. If you allow the for the possibility of kinds of life that we have not imagined, except maybe in science fiction novels, then that alters the requirements.
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That's only true to a certain extent. Scientists are able on the basis of existing knowledge to make estimates about what sort of conditions may or may not be favorable for life in general, and what forms life may or may be able to take, even without assuming that that life is just like ours. For example, the "Goldilocks zone" is a range of distances from a star which are thought to be favorable for life because of the moderate temperatures that result. There are various relevant variables such as the presence or lack of an atmosphere and surface water. It's easy to imagine that it would be much less likely for life, regardless of its form, to be able to thrive on a barren furnace like Mercury where any life-forms would be scorched by massive amounts of heat and unable to find the resources needed to survive.
 
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I think that you're missing the point. "Moderate temperatures" in your post means, as far as I can tell, what creatures on this planet consider as moderate temperatures -- which can still vary from species to species. We need surface water, but a creature whose life didn't depend on water obviously wouldn't have that requirement. Scientists have theorized that life could also be sulfur-based, silicon-based, or arsenic-based. Considering that God is all-powerful, I think that he could basically create any sort of life he wanted, based on any chemical composition he felt like, or on no chemical composition at all (a nonphysical being). There could be all sorts of other creatures throughout the universe, the nature of whose physical existence we've barely begun to imagine.
 
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Life was created by God, on earth.
 
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yet still remember there are over 60 conditions that are CRUCIAL in this earth that if one of them was missing, life wouldn't exist here. SIXTY!!! not two, not one. Universe is composed of matter, space, time and energy. Apparently the conditions on earth are a perfect usage of matter,space,time and energy for life to exist here plus the other rest of conditions, and if one was missing, even if the earth was a little closer to the sun, life wouldn't exist.
 
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Check out the law of entropy. Its a law of physics that basically makes the concept of evolution an impossibility.
 
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There are certain cosmological constants without the correct combinations of which life could not exist, but these are things like the strength of gravity and the interactions of particles; they are not such macroscopic things as temperature, atmosphere, or chemical composition. Also, those are conditions for the universe, not for a particular planet. Thus, there could be other life-supporting planets which are quite different from this one. It is also possible that a universe with differently-tweaked C.C.'s could support life, since, there are a few combinations of even those cosmological constants (I think that I'm using the correct term) which would support life.
 
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zeroturbulence said:
Check out the law of entropy. Its a law of physics that basically makes the concept of evolution an impossibility.
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I'm not talking about evolution; I'm talking about God creating forms of life significantly different from ones we are familiar with, one other planets or possibility in universes with differently-tweaked cosmological constants. Also, I am discussing this merely hypothetically, not because I have any stake in its veracity.
 
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distantshores said:
There are certain cosmological constants without the correct combinations of which life could not exist, but these are things like the strength of gravity and the interactions of particles; they are not such macroscopic things as temperature, atmosphere, or chemical composition. Also, those are conditions for the universe, not for a particular planet. Thus, there could be other life-supporting planets which are quite different from this one. It is also possible that a universe with differently-tweaked C.C.'s could support life, since, there are a few combinations of even those cosmological constants (I think that I'm using the correct term) which would support life.
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Edit: I think that we're referring to the fine-tuning of the cosmological constant (singular), but it relates to constants regarding physical laws of nature. I'm getting this information from Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig, by the way.
 
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Adrianv125 said:
What is life?

We know that there is life on this earth. We also know that the same laws that apply to the earth apply to the rest of the whole universe. From this we can conclude that in order for life to exist in other planets the same conditions the earth finds itself in must be the same in the rest of the universe. Meaning it has to be an exact distance from a star so that it doesn't burn away the surface of the planet and exact so that the atmosphere that protects it doesn't disintegrate, the star itself must have the exact output of energy and size so that it both doesn't pull the planet into itself with it's gravity or burn the planet with it's energy. We also know the planet must be at an exact size so that it's gravitational pull doesn't suck every existing thing on the surface and into the ground, such as it happens in Jupiter where if any airborne object gets at a certain distance of it's surface. If there is no satellite in that planet such as our moon and if that planet has water then it will be hard to control the water just like the exact position of the moon and it's gravity controls our seas. The extreme diversity of species we find here on earth is astoundingly hard to reproduce elsewhere, much harder to find a place habitable with the same conditions on earth since not only are the dimensions of the earth a crucial factor for life to exist in it, but every single aspect of the earth and it's relativity to the sun and the moon and the universe and all it's surroundings make it possible for life to be exposed in so many manners and under such favorable conditions for every kind of life forms that it's not logical to say it happened by chance. Matter that has a mind and conscience of it's own didn't achieve it's mind or conscience from itself, it must come from an intelligent source.

Glory be to our Creator, who with the word of His mouth and with His breath gave life it's existence.
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YES! " The Lord by wisdom hath founded the earth." (Proverbs 3:19).
The only the earth was fitted for the man, and man was fitted for the earth. The earth itself demonstrates 'design for intended purpose' and therefore proves Divine creation.

And indeed, there are no life on other planets. In fact only Mars was a possibility of having life. But in 1954, when Mars approached to 63,000,000,miles to our earth, Astronomers ruled out any life existence on that planet after taking a closer look to it. Look, at the extraordinary combination on earth.The right mass and size, the right distance from the sun makes it the only right place for life existence.

"God......... hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7) That is wonderful work of GOD through Jesus and for JESUS.
 
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