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hope1916

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Hello All,

I've been reading the archives and already have received so much help. There are some wise people here. I have no one to talk with about my situation and am hoping there are people here who can help me through this and hold me accountable.

Background and beliefs:
Marriage is for life, divorce is not an option.
We've been married 30 years.
I love dh.
He loves me.
Dh is a good man, will give you the shirt off his back, will do anything for you.
Dh doesn't run around, drink, carouse or anything like that.
Dh is a hard worker, great father, excellent provider.
Dh brings flowers on a regular basis.
Dh indulges me with whatever I want.
There are many women who would give their eyeteeth to be in my position.

And ... I'm incredibly, chest crushingly lonely and mourning what our marriage could be.

Our day consists of:
Coffee in the morning.
Kiss good bye.
Call at lunch.
Kiss when dh comes home.
Dh watches TV and falls asleep on the couch.
Sometimes we have sex.
Start all over.

I'm afraid to even pay attention to how little conversation we actually have.

I make sure that I spend no significant amount of time with any man because I know how fragile my emotional state is. It would take just a smidge of attention from any man for me to have an emotional affair, if not an outright affair, and that is not a path I want to even start to go down.

Over the years I've tried to tell dh how I feel and even to engage him in regular conversation. He does talk. When someone else talks to him, he's all chatty.

I've planned fun things for us to do, either just plain fun, or things to do while the kids were at AWANA which was supposed to be "date" night. Things you do with just your spouse. The first year he made it home 3 times in time for us to have a date. The next 4 years he never made it home even once. I spent 3 years trying to be more sexually appealing. Finally threw the lingerie in the trash because it was too depressing for me. I couldn't handle the seeming rejection. He either didn't notice, didn't like it, or didn't like the body in it. I'm sad to admit that I am about 30 lbs overweight.

For years I was just angry that he did not see the value in spending time with me or having a conversation with me even once a week. I'm sure that my anger was evident and didn't help.

The thought of 30 more years like this are overwhelming. I can't even begin to imagine it. The thought is like a black cloud looming over me. A couple of years ago, in an email, I told him how I feel. I even suggested that if I did not know his character better I would think he was either having an outright affair or an emotional affair. I know he read it because of things he said afterwards. He never denied having an affair and I never asked. I would assume that if someone accused you of an affair and it were not true, you would at least deny it. At this point I don't want to know and it would be hard to believe him now if he did deny it.

Anyway, things got slightly better. I told myself to be grateful for whatever and however long it lasted ... because it would eventually end and things would go back to how they were. It did. It lasted about 6 months though. I was fine until this year. I've had a lot of reminders of what a truly close marriage looks like. There have been opportunities for us to connect in Bible studies on marriage, but there was always something more important. (I admit that is my slant. He had to bowl with his mother. That makes him sound like a mama's boy, but in his mind he had made a commitment to her and the team). We had our 30th wedding anniversary party which was probably the most painful time in my life. How does one look and act like you are celebrating something like that when inside you are aching. I told myself that 30 years is an important milestone in itself. And finally our own son is getting married in October. I desperately want to tell him, "Don't stop talking to her. Don't stop spending time with her. Don't stop telling her you love her."

I've considered leaving, but discarded that idea because I know it is unscriptural.

I've considered suicide, but haven't found a way that would be foolproof and wouldn't leave others hurting.

So now I am trying to accept and resign myself to a lonely marriage ... for me. Dh is seemingly happy with a coffee in the morning/ TV at night/sometimes have sex/start all over the next day marriage. I have been focusing on how blessed I am and ministering to others. I TRY to be cheerful, but I confess more often than I am, I'm not.

Believe me I am no saint and can be hard to live with. I read the article on 13 ways to tell if your wife is emotionally abusive. I'm saddened to admit that I saw traits in myself. He's probably been waiting for me to shut up for 25 years. Poor man.

Why is it coming to a head now? Our youngest is going off to college in a month. Then I will have nothing to distract me. The silence (and snoring ... just a little attempt at humor) will be deafening. I've tried pushing and engaging him over the years. All it has gotten is an angry wife, changes for a few months, and then back to the same old thing. For whatever reason he can't or won't or doesn't want a close relationship. Maybe what I want is unrealistic. Maybe all marriages are like this and I just believe the load of crap that I read about. Although I try not to think about it, I do think about, and consequently I'm sad all the time. I need to redirect my thoughts, wants, desires and dare I say needs.

I need a mature wise Christian woman to hold me accountable to be the wife I should be. I cannot talk with anyone in my church because I do not want anyone to think poorly of dh. He really, truly is a wonderful man. I'm extremely blessed to have him. Just also extremely lonely. I'm scared to death of what might happen to my resolve when it is just the two of us.

So that is a long way around saying, anyone here who can hold me accountable to

- being a cheerful, supportive, encouraging wife;
- focusing on God and being what He wants me to be, His wants for me, God fulfilling me
- not being the sad, crying, angry wife I am inside

I know that once my attitude and expectations change, I won't be sad anymore or in danger of running off with the first man who shows me any attention. Please don't say, "Tell your husband." I've tried talking with him until I was blue in the face. The pain of things getting better and then going back to the same old ways would be more than I could bear. Sadder than imagining a marriage relationship wasted at the end of our lives.

I made my user name "hope" because I have hope to get through this. I simply must change me. If there is no one who feels like they can help me, I have found some things in the archives and I will be concentrating on those wise words. (Gosh this was long. Sorry about that.)
 
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Ariel82

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long and heartfelt :) my favorite type of post, even though I pray your situation will improve.

From your post I wonder if you have any close female friends you could spend time with or hobbies you enjoy doing alone or with others?

I like spending time with my husband but we tend to do things along side each other more then together most days. I know some people need more social contact and support and I have my friends to help ease the loneliness.

I believe that its ok to love others emotionally engage but there is that line.

I'm neither very mature or wise but if you ever want to talk or pray, I'd be willing to listen and pray with you.
 
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ed12

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Hi Hope,
I love your name. It reminds me of the Peanuts cartoon series. Did you read those comic strips. Do you remember how Marcie would invite Charlie to kick the ball. She would hold the ball and Charlie would run in to kick the ball and then at the very last minute, Marcie would pull the ball away and Charlie would be kicking fresh air and he would land flat on his back. Schultz (I think is the author) wrote this same cartoon many many times. One day I said to myself, 'just how stupid is 1 Schultz (for writing the same cartoon) and 2 Charlie for believing Marcie and running in to kick the ball and then I added 3 because I kept reading this same cartoon. Then I understood. It was hope. Charlie hoped that one day Marice would really hold the ball and I kept on reading this same cartoon because I to hoped that one day Schultz would have Marcie hold the ball.

I guess you have answered your own question. Live in hope.

Know this. Jesus lives in you if you live in the kingdom of God. He knows. Jesus is your teacher. Press into Jesus. According to your account your husband is living out of scripture. Your husband is to care for you as he would care for a portion of his own body. He should honor you in all ways. Do not repay evil with evil. Stay true to scripture. All answers are in scripture. Know this also. Our true family is not our family of the flesh, but of the Spirit. Maybe your husband is your rock. Maybe you should put your priorities in order. If Jesus is first in your life then you can never be disappointed. If your rock is of flesh (family even) then you are going to be disappointed even crushed.
Positive steps to take. Grow your love. God is love. Love is sacrificial. (Your love seems focused- grow it- let your love spread.) There are no ties between love and sex. Don't think of love and sex in the same breath. Divorce them. Sex is an activity between married persons. Your husband should not be withholding his body from you but don't get into a tit for tat ( is that appropriate) with him. Stay open to your husband but seek to do good at all times in all places. Give.
Please ask if I have not explained myself.
love in Jesus
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first I'd like to commend you for turning to what is scriptural in regards to your marriage. Now I briefly need to address suicide "there is scripture on that too sister." I think it's awesome you administer to others. I think that is absolutely phenomenal. I am curious, do you and DH ever have time apart? like more than a couple of days? there are these two sayings that come to mind. "absence makes the heart grow fonder." and "you don't know what you have til its gone." I am very happy for you as far as your children go, congrats on your youngest going to college that is such an awesome accomplishment, and the other one is getting married? wow so many amazing mile stones :) I do not have any easy answers for you, and I am aware you aren't asking for any. Matter of fact I can see you are asking for something that I can't provide as I'm not female lol, but I will still try to leave you with a few words of wisdom. God bless you and your family. Also I am reminded of a woman, geez I don't remember the details, but there was something that she hated about her marriage, it may have been his shoes laying around or something, and one day she realized that when she lost him, she would desperately miss those little things she hated, because those things reminded her he was still around. My mother and my father divorced because of an internet game addiction. My father couldn't get off of video games and she felt she lost her husband, she too got lonely. They divorced, and now both are lonely on different sides of the U.S. He is alone in the wilderness away from technology and she bounces between men younger than me who will never take her seriously. I didn't really have any reason to add that about my parents except I saw similarities and thought I'd show you how it played out. Again God bless and welcome to CC! :)

oh and I forgot one HUGE thing you have going for your marriage that my parents didn't :) You have God :)
 
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damombomb

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Sister just my opinion: I think you are listening to the wrong voice: to me it seems your relationship has
not gone to far that it cant be fixed, yes, you are blessed to have your husband, and i understand
what you are saying, this life is only temporary, youve made it this far, and like above poster said
youd miss them if they were not there. I find that putting the lord as my # 1 always keeps
me focused on what is right
Welcome to cc
 
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Ugly

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I suggest going to a marriage counselor, first go in by yourself. Really let them know how you feel, and what you would like differently. Let them know divorce is not an option. Then bring your husband to the next one. It may take some coaxing, but it sounds like you could do it. See if this counselor will somewhat mediate and really hammer into him how miserable you are, yet still how much you love him and want to make things better. Sometimes it takes an outsider to step in and make things clear.
 
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hope1916

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Thank you, all for your thoughtful responses.

Ariel, I do not have a friend I could talk with. Besides not having a friend ( who *I'M* not personally ministering to) ... I do not want anyone thinking poorly of dh. He truly, truly is a wonderful man who is kind, compassionate, helpful to all, and giving. We do do things side by side (shoulder to shoulder as the Love and Respect Seminar says) ... drink coffee in the morning and talk about the birds, I watch TV with him at night until he falls asleep on the couch, I wake him up and we go to bed. I would love to actually talk about my fears of the future. Oh, I forgot to mention I have MS and am having physical difficulties now that do not go away as they did before. I know from the past that if I mention my left leg is numb etc., his response will be, "Maybe it's something you ate." (Literally. It is quite humorous to actually type it.) So I don't tell him when I am having an exacerbation. I just live with it silently because I know he is not into discussing things. He's a practical man.

Oh, yes, Ed, I remember those cartoons. Another angle is the quote bantered about, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." And then there is "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." You could say that I am a slow learner. In my case it should be, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 462 times, shame on me." (Slight exaggeration.)

Hence the reason I've decided that my expectations and thoughts need to be changed. It is sad that in what should be our golden years when we could be enjoying one another without the stress of the kids, we don't share anything. But, he's happy. So I have to rethink ... redefine ... my definition of happy. I should have done it long ago and would have saved many nights weeping after he went to sleep. Hope is not my name. I chose Hope to remind myself that my hope is in Christ and that God can change me ... if I step out of the way and let Him.

Deadtosin, yes, I have God and I know that He is a powerful God and if I yield my wants, desires, expectations to Him, He can replace them. It will be a matter of letting those go. Harder than watching my kids make mistakes as young adults, suffer those consequences, and not jump in to save them.

Damombomb (I chuckle at this screen name), the rational level that keeps me sane fully knows that suicide is not the right path. I've been close to four situations where a suicide is involved (three in my extended family) and the devastation it brings is horrific. I do not want to bring that kind of pain to those I love. But it would be a nice way out otherwise. Years ago I made a decision to always choose the right path even no matter how difficult or hard it may be. That way when faced with a hard choice ... my choice was already made. But still ... it is oddly comforting to think all my pain could be gone, if only I wouldn't be leaving others in pain.

And finally Ugly, we (dh and I) have discussed this so often that I could not bear to go back to "things as usual" one more time, especially after seeing a counselor. See paragraph #2. He's happy. Or so he says he is. I can only take him at his word.

So in my googling, I came across an online group that is still alive and doing the Love Dare. I've decided to do it, not to change him; but to change me. I've already started with my own Day 0 - Praying to Prepare. Dh is at the beach with two of the kids (one turns 21 today and had to stay to work. I did not want her to turn 21 all alone.) We go down tomorrow and I will start Day 1.

Thank you all. If I remember, I'll check back in and give you, hopefully a successful update.

hope1916
 

Lucy68

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Ha-ha, this could be my husband you're talking about :)

We've been married 25 years and have two grown children.

One thing I had to come to accept about my husband was that he did not want to discuss things on a deep level. We, too, have our routine of questions/answers/actions that just repeats itself continuously. And yes, I went through a couple of years of bitterness and resentment until I just decided I was going to be happy with my husband and love him as he is. Period.

I found other ways to solve the loneliness problem....without looking to other men as the solution. My thought on that is I already have one man in my life to deal with...how could I possibly handle more than one
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No,no,no...I'm only kidding. I know God's Word is the best guide for our lives. And truthfully, it is a big blessing to have a life-long companion. We've invested much of ourselves in each other and it IS possible to find true contentment with each other...through compromise and self-sacrifice.

I think we sometimes expect too much from our husbands. In Genesis God says to Eve that her desire would be for her husband. Well, that certainly would be true but I think there's also another part to it. Eve's desire would for her husband 'to do something'...in other words, she will be disappointed in her husband. This is a lose-lose situation and we wives must fight against this. Maybe that's why it's called a 'curse'.

One thing that is fairly easy for me to do and just makes my husband beam is to compliment him on something (and mean it :) ).

So yes, I too need to appreciate the husband I have more fully. Especially after reading what some husbands are like.

One book that has really helped me with my negative thinking is Joyce Meyer's "Battlefield of the Mind". She is a wonderful bible teacher and she is middle-aged like us....she has gone through the same valleys we are going through.

Praying for you and your husband, that you will have many wonderful years together....that he wakes up some and that you are able to love him like he is :) . (and me too ;) )
 
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Well, I hope this helps you somehow.
The repetitive cycle of coffee to sleep is forced upon us all by the expectation that we work our butts off for at least 8 hours a day in order to pay taxes, interest, and medical bills. All of which are going to be shaken I believe, at the hands of the 144k or two witnesses.

The cycle itself is NOT YOUR FAULT.
Breaking it is very hard to do, because if you don't pay whatever they demand, they take "their" house back from you.
The good news is, you don't have to worry about enduring it for another 30 years.
I don't believe there's gonna be that much time before Christ returns, and even less before other awesome things happen.
Try telling your husband that for what it's worth, you understand his daily plight and wish he could be free from it. If of course, that's how you feel.
Peace sister. Some do not have wives like yourself.
 
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OFM

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I AM PRAYERFULLY PRAYING FOR YOU.
 
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psychomom

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Dear sister Hope, beloved of your Father, my heart goes out to you! My dh and I have been married 32 years, and it wasn't all pretty. :/
But, by God's grace, we now live so happily together that I can barely believe how blessed I am! ♥

I wonder if this is coming to a head for you now because you are about to have an empty nest? Our second born got married in June, and though we still have 4 at home, my heart breaks with missing her, though I rejoice in her happiness, if that makes any snese at all.
As moms, I think this adjustment is more difficult for us than it is for most men. We tend to have spent more time with our kiddos, and notice their absences in ways our hubbies do not.
Obviously, what you're missing is an emotional connection to your dh. I love that Ed, as a man, recognized that your spouse ought to be laying his life down for you on a daily basis, don't you? Of course, he does this in working hard each day for your support, and I agree that as wives we often fail to recognize the burden they feel for this. But, as someone said, men need a physical connection, and women an emotional one. You ought not feel bad about those 30 pounds, dear one! By this stage of married life, what's inside and what's already been sacrificed for our spouses should pretty much blind us to what's outside, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what your dh thinks, too. I wonder if he even notices? We do, as women, since it's shoved in our faces day to day and we could never live up to the air brushed, photoshopped ideals we have to see every time we buy food! Appearance is prized rather than a heart for the Lord, which you surely have! The proverbs 31 woman praised in scripture is valued for many things, none of which are " she goes to the gym daily".

I also wonder if your medical condition is part of what you're feeling? Perhaps you are afraid of what life will be like once it's just you two in your house, and if your condition deteriorates. I can fully appreciate this. I have some silly health problems, nothing like what you're facing. And I have a close friend who has had MS since we were in our 20s, and her dad had it, too, so I've seen it, and my prayers are for you!

Since no one but Jesus can do anything about your husband's attitude and heart, I would be happy to stand with you as you seek to safeguard your marriage and your own walk with the Lord. There are a couple of other women here who come to mind, our age, and married about the same length of time, who I believe would do the same. And they have had problems, too, in their marriages, as have I, and would understand and have compassion, and much better advice than I can give you.

But I do offer you my prayers, and love because He provides it-
ellie
 
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CoreyMBailey

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Hope,

I don't mean for this to sound harsh, but the only one that can hold you accountable is yourself. It sounds like you have a pretty good marriage but you're lacking much needed communication. This all might be coming to a head now because you are going to have an empty home. Before, when the kids were at home you had other things to distract from having conversations with your husband. Now that those distractions aren't there you two don't know how to act with each other. Might I suggest doing the small things like when dating. Text him during work just to tell him you love him; make a special meal he likes when he comes home; engage in talking about the movie's he's just watched; ask him how his day at work was. When you have an issue with your MS you want to discuss approach him in a humble way so that he's knows your serious and seeking comfort from him. When he's chatty with other people what's his topic of discussion?...try engaging him in the same kinds of discussions. I also believe divorce would not be an option and especially not suicide. If after everything you've tried he still doesn't communicate with you much, find another release, but let it be a good one. And remember to pray and if capable fast. We as wives are there to be our husband's helper and if you're helping him along in a Godly manner having a positive attitude and humble spirit then you are helping him and he just might notice one day. Don't give up...God knows what He's doing. Just be patient. :)

~Corey