Question that has been haunting me for years. Help if you can.

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THATSAVEDCHICK

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Hello everyone. This is my second post and I hope I am placing it in the right area. If I am not. Forgive me -In time, I shall learn, I hope. LoL (Sorry for the long post)

Ok, so I am looking for Clarification or even Justification. If I am wrong in my thinking, The Lord please correct me and allow your saints to show me the way. I have no one else to ask. No believer around me. I thank God for you and your answer in advance. If you have scriptures, that I can use, I would appreciate it.

My question.
Is there a distinction between the Family of Believer and Non Believers? I am dealing with a problem from long ago with my mother. I struggle so much with this. She says she is a Christian. I have a hard time seeing this. I am trying to do right by her but I fear this battle within myself, I am losing.

My concerns I draw from. 1 Timothy 5 3-9

3 Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need. 4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5 The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

9 No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband, 10 and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the Lord’s people, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.


My thought process:

Does this apply to my mother and what is my responsibility.

1. the dictionary describes a widow as: a woman who has lost her husband by death and has not remarried.

My mother has never been married. She has been in a live in relationship for over 43 years without marrying. She has 5 children, 2 have passed away. We all have different fathers and the man she has been with all of my life is no relation to any of us. Like I said, I struggle to see the Christian in her. The man she is with, raised me and my siblings from small children. He has taken care of my Mother. But I can not say they to have a Loving relationship. Today he says he's to old to marry and my mother says she never wanted him. She was pushed into the relationship by her sisters. If anything happens to him, My mother is put out on the street. No provisions have been made for her.

My mother has binded me to her with: She's going to leave him, She's not happy, She's living in Sin because they are not married. I've heard it all and I've watched opportunity after opportunity pass her by. If she really wanted to leave him she would and could have left long ago. I have tried to help her all of my life. I love her and still worry about her.

I have never been married. Before I found Christ, I had twins. I was saved two years after the birth of my children. I come from a long line of Christians. My mother and I use to go to church together. I wanted to hear and learn the Word she wanted to gossip about the Pastor and his Wife...and still does today. She would not stop. I could not go to church without her. I stopped going to church and I look for fellowship where ever I can.

When my children graduated from High School, I gave up my house and we moved in with my mother. She claimed she was losing her sight...and I knew it was my responsibility to see about her as her only living daughter. After I moved in and gave up everything..she told everyone I lied. She could see just fine. She makes it hard for us to move out.

My mother is an older woman and says she's a Christian, but boy a lot of hell followers her. In the Fall of last year she turned 74 years old and had to take an eye test to drive. I took her to the eye doctor who said she only 1 point away from being legally blind. He gave her glasses and an appointment for eye surgery. When we got to the DMV she would not give the lady the paperwork and the worker was to distracted and didn't hear mom mumble through the vision test. Lord help! she's a license driver without any restrictions. Oh and me, I'm a liar. The doctor was a quack who doesn't know what he was talking about and the papers I have are not hers. (I will not get her car fixed so she is not driving)

Last note.

My mother is always seeking attention. She likes to play sick a lot. Last year in April she finally had a Heart Attack. And after 35 years we heard, "I told you I was sick". Heart Attacks are not uncommon today and My mother was blessed more then she knows. The doctors said. A rare thing happened to her that he doesn't see often. She grew another ARTERY! The doctor's say's her heart is stronger, she has some problems but she can have a long life if she just take her meds, eat right and work out some. My mother says she is sick...She can't cook, can't clean, can't shop, can't do anything for herself..but it's not that she can't she just won't.

She can take care of herself. She bathes, Cooks breakfast for her and he live in boyfriend/my stepfather? everyday. She calls for his daily rides for his doctor's appointments...but everything else I handle. I can't get her up to do anything. I've been fighting this fight since I moved in. She tells everyone she does everything...but since her heart attack friend sand family are seeing that she lied there too. I am her maid and caretaker. She told me long ago, she did want any responsibility and as long as I was there, I was going to do everything. I think I have been paying for her bad choices for far to long. She chose this man. It is not my fault they have nothing to talk about and she doesn't want to sit with him. My mother has tried to make me Old before my time and my life has passed me by...And now, I just want to go back home.

I miss the PEACE and LOVE of my own house. No fighting, Lying. Just joy. Yeah problems came..but nothing like this in Moms house. I have an obligation to my mother. I don't think it's my time yet to take care of her. She is not alone and can do for herself. According to the word of Christ, would I be wrong if I moved out and let her do for herself. I'm not talking about abandoning her. I would come and see about her like I did before I moved in. But leave her to her day to day.



Please help me. This fight inside me has been going on for far to long.
 

mystdancer50

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I just thought of the woman at the well when you said that your mom has had many different men in her life. I am sorry to hear about that, but there is hope. She just needs a true encounter with Jesus, like the woman at the well had.

Sadly, how many of us will go to heaven believing we were Christians, but were not, and thus, will hear those words, "Depart from Me, I never knew you"? It is a sobering thought.

The Bible says that we are to honor our father and mother. I take this to mean that we are to not slander them, not seek them to be harmed, to care for them and provide for them. However, we must not give away our salvation for them. The Bible says that anyone that loves father or mother more than Christ is not worthy of Him.

As Christians, our lives should differ from that of worldly people. Sadly, if it does, it is primarily in the realm of hypocrisy. I have been guilty of this in the past. I am trying now to live out the life of one who is truly a disciple of Christ. We are to not look anything like this world, for if someone looks at us and sees someone just like them, we are not living the life Christ has called us and empowered us to live. The world must look at us and see Him.

I don't know if I'm helping or rambling, but I hope I helped a little.
 

Lucy68

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From the following link, it looks like Paul was discussing who the church would help financially. You are not a church so I don't see that it applies to you specifically.

http://wenstrom.org/downloads/written/exposition/1tim/1tim_5_9-10.pdf

Still, we are to honor our parents. BUT, you can honor a parent without having to be around them. Especially if they choose to make everyone around them miserable and also to live outside of God's Will. You can still help her to get the help she needs without letting her force you (or guilt you) into doing for her what she can do for herself.

This is emotional manipulation and it is not from God.

You may want to consider distancing yourself emotionally and physically from her while seeking the Holy Spirit's direction about how to help her to help herself. Or how to get her on public assistance or disability. Is she really producing the fruit of a Christian? It would not do any good to confront her about whether or not she's a Christian....but a good tree produces good fruit:

Matthew 7:18-23
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'


It sounds like your own walk with Christ is being hindered by your mother. We can help our parents without having to be subjected to emotional abuse. Find a church to attend and get into some healthy Christian relationships....hearing the Word of God preached can be a huge encouragement. As you grow in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, He will lead you in how to relate to your mother. But she is not your sole responsibility because she happened to give you birth. It seems she has not lived up to her own responsibility as a mother.

Praying for you....strength and guidance and encouragement as you seek His face :).
 
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We are told to Honor our parents in scripture, but we are not given specifics on just how. That is why the Jews got themselves in such trouble, they wrote the Talmud for rules on how to do what God asks. You know: you can't walk but so far on Sunday, and so on. We have to figure out how to obey God's instructions on living.

There are some things about the most honorable parent that is not honorable because they are human. So how does God want us to live that out the instruction to honor them?

I think God asks us to honor them because God created us, but God used the parents on this earth for that creation. We are to honor them for that. I think we can do that and still live our own life that allows us to be all that God wants us to be. We can't turn our backs on our parents, we can't refuse to help them if they need it, but God will allow us to do that and still use our life in other ways than catering to parents. Certainly, we aren't to judge them personally for their lifestyle, while we can judge the parts of their lifestyle that isn't of God. If Giod allows them to choose that way, we certainly must also.
 
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THATSAVEDCHICK

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Thank You All for you kind words and advice. I was blessed by your words more then you know.

Thanks;)
 
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Ariel82

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i would move out.

Just because she gave birth to you doesn't mean she owns you and your are her personal slave. I don't think you would abandon her and a daily visit to care for her or hiring a nurse or maid to help her out once in a while is not unloving and would allow you to live your own life.

they have nursing services that will check on the elderly daily. that way you can still live you life and instead of spending time cleaning and doing manual labor, maybe you would spend quality time with your mom. Learning her childhood stories and memories of people you may not have had the opportunity to have meet because they died before you were born.

Personally, if I ever had some free time I would love to get my mother talking about her life and write memories to give to my kids later when they are grown (they are only 5 and 8 now).

I love my mom, but I don't know if I would move in with her and her live in boyfriend.

I'd rather she moved in with me and ditch the boyfriend or have him marry her.