Same sex marriage is an abomination and if you support it you are not a christian

[wwjd_kilden]

Because it is. And the seriousness of the matter lies in the answer you gave: ALL sin leads to death (eternal). As a Christian, do you think it right to encourage sin in any way?

there is a difference between encouraging, telling people it is a sin, and telling people "woe you sinner you are way worse off than me" I never said living in a gay lifestyle is right.... but have my own sins to worry about, people who are gay KNOW the bible says it is wrong, they will not repent because some human being, who also sins, tells them that their sins are worse than those of others.

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

Homosexuals have the right to marry - someone of the opposite sex, just like everybody else.

I find this to be silly, why would someone who had no interest in woman want to marry one? Or why would a woman want to be married to someone who had no interest in them. They want the right to marry the person they love, not marry someone because they are straight and it's what they "should" do.

 

[needmesomejesus]

why are there people on this forum (a christian forum) showing their support for same sex marriage. its wrong. praise God a majority of people here still reject and oppose the gay agenda and their immoral turns. but if someone says they support same sex marriage, id automatically say they are not a genuine saved christian, and have fallen for the devils lies. if a person really was a christian the Holy Spirit would have put it in their mind that homosexuality was a sin.
and please no supporters of this abomination tell me that i have no love or no compassion etc. because quite frankly homosexuality is disgusting and is 100% oppose to God's plan and was not meant to be. God hates sin. this is how true christians should feel in regards to this topic.

I'm pretty sure you can't say if someone's a Christian or not. And saying people can marry the same sex is not saying it's okay; it's just understanding personal freedom and not forcing our Christian views on others who are not Christian.

 

[GirlJob]

So does this mean I shouldn't eat shellfish? It's my favorite. I love shellfish, I even told God I loved shellfish and he didn't seem to show me I was wrong in wanting to eat shellfish. He did however make me think that if I did stop eating these certain foods that I would be able to have a closer relationship with Him, so I don't know? Maybe I need more self control to do this.

 

[Rogo]

So does this mean I shouldn't eat shellfish? It's my favorite. I love shellfish, I even told God I loved shellfish and he didn't seem to show me I was wrong in wanting to eat shellfish. He did however make me think that if I did stop eating these certain foods that I would be able to have a closer relationship with Him, so I don't know? Maybe I need more self control to do this.

Back when I was apart of the Christian faith, I told God I was gay. He didn't seem to show me I was wrong either.

 

[frankleespeaking]

Source: Leviticus 18:22


why are there people on this forum (a christian forum) showing their support for eating crab, shellfish, and lobster. its wrong. praise God a majority of people here still reject and oppose the shellfish agenda and their immoral turns. but if someone says they support eating shellfish, id automatically say they are not a genuine saved christian, and have fallen for the devils lies. if a person really was a christian the Holy Spirit would have put it in their mind that eating lobster was a sin.
and please no supporters of this abomination tell me that i have no love or no compassion etc. because quite frankly shellfish are disgusting and is 100% oppose to God's plan and was not meant to be. God hates sin. this is how true christians should feel in regards to this topic.
Source: Leviticus 9-12


Now remember, if you're going to cite the old testament, you can't pick and choose which parts you wish to obey. If it's the immutable word of God, then it must ALL be considered. If Jesus fulfilled the OT, then you can't cite this to back your convictions anymore, you'll just have to rely on homophobia.

I'll agree but then Homosexuality is listed as a sin leading to death in the new testiment although I don't see any new testiment menu restrictions except eating blood, again it appears some things cross the field in both covenants......much like sexual immorality, there just never seems to be a break in that one

 

[frankleespeaking]

Back when I was apart of the Christian faith, I told God I was gay. He didn't seem to show me I was wrong either.

the shows not over yet

 

[tribesman]

Back when I was apart of the Christian faith, I told God I was gay. He didn't seem to show me I was wrong either.

Check the Book.

 

[Rogo]

the shows not over yet

It ended when I overcame the delusion that I could change my sexuality.

 

[oldman]

That is a typical counterargument, which does not hold water.

Everything that goes against God's law is sin (1John3:4). That is what the law says and it can not be altered since not one jot or tittle of the law shall pass away as long as heaven and earth stands (Matt.5:17-20). If we look to the consequences of various sins and their penalties however and compare that with the sin of for example homosexuality, we will find big differences. A reason for this is of course that many sins would include other sins as well and have more effect on other people and elsewhere. Hence the suitable punishment for them

As far as homosexuality is concerned it is not only said to be a sin, but an abomination. It is also mentioned as a sign of reprobation in Rom.1:18-32, where God sends this wicked behavior as a punishment for other sins. These are some factors that has convinced many Bible interpreters throughout history that the sin of homosexuality (when elevated to normative acceptance) is somewhat of a dividing line or an indicator that the final border has now been crossed to the point of no return. Once this sin is embraced and legalized by society it would eventually mean the end of that society, its culture, and possibly even its people.

The situation today in the west combined with massive apostasy, revivalism of paganism plus massive influx of non-christian religions and its settlers puts the remaining traditional christians there at an alarming balance. In that situation christians should "not follow a multitude to do evil" (Exo.23:2) but rather, whenever possible, make a positive stand for the values and heritage that once made their countries prosperous. The former blessings of the "christian west" is turning over into curses because of its apostasy and lukewarmness (Mal.2:2). Heresies and false teachers abound as a result. It is time to show seriousness with repentance, not to say "OK" to more sin, just because nearly any and all other sins are viewed as "OK" by the big crowd. That would only be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Very well said.

 

[oldman]

Even though this is a Christian forum, it is still a very public forum where not everyone is Christian and apparently anyone can join without verification. It would be wise to investigate the links provided in member profiles to see just where they are coming from. I speak this mostly to the young in Christ - be careful to whom you listen.

 

[oldman]

This is one of the hottest subject facing the church today and there are extremely passionate folks on both sides. While I cannot and will not endorse anyone that chooses to live an openly gay lifestyle, I do my best to offer hope for escape.

To say that the sin of homosexuality cannot be forgiven or that the individual person cannot be changed is to deny the power of Christ's blood for forgiveness and the power of the Holy Spirit in sanctifying / transforming that persons soul. Far to many Christians have failed miserably in offering this hope.

The world is saying 'It's okay to be gay'. The flesh craves the pleasure of sin (reference Hebrews 11:25). Obviously the adversary says it's okay. But the one place where hope should be available often condemns the person instead of or along with the sin. But still there are some who fight same sex desires - still having a conscience that is functional - not seared as with a hot iron (1 Tim 4:2).

Many folks in just that position read threads such as this. To those I say THERE IS HOPE. The root causes are probably as varied as the individual but there is hope. Because of "We are HIS workmanship" (Eph 2:10) changing us, sanctifying us is GOD's problem. We're pretty much just going along for the ride and let HIM do HIS thing. If we were expected to sanctify ourselves, then in heaven we would have just cause to boast - if we actually succeeded - we would have cause to stand before the Father and say "Look how good I have become". But GOD says that such righteousness is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6) and therefore not good enough. So then to attain acceptable purity before the Father, the sanctification - the changing must be done by HIM just as salvation is through Christ's blood and not by works. It is all on HIM. He saves and He sanctifies.

Therefore, there is hope.....

 

[oldman]

One's truth is based on perception that's why some people think homosexuality and gay marriage are acceptable because their truth is different from ur truth. I'm on here to understand a truth that is different than my own and in the process have not been harassed or discriminated against in any way which I'm grateful for. However, attempt to understand our position. Many LGBT people aren't interested in forcing anyone to perform wedding ceremonies and frankly most LGBT people don't want to have their wedding in a church. LGBT people simply want to have the same SECULAR rights as other people have to live their lives as they wish.

And to Tonydisciple, I think heterosexuality is as disgusting as u think homosexuality is. It's all a matter of perspective

So then, there is no absolute truth? Truth is what each individual wants truth to be?

 

[DiscipleofChrist1984]

Marriage is a covenant with God. The State should not recognize marriage at all. Marriage is between a couple (man and woman) and it's done within the church. The State should give civil unions if whoever wants to enter into a covenant with the government to devise property. But for the State to define marriage is saying that the state has power over God, which is ridiculous! While I disagree with gay marriage, I disagree with ALL state-sponsored marriage.

 

[Tsalagi]

Sorry but I live in America. We are not a theocracy. We are not a Christian nation. We have no state religion. There is no secular reason to deny same-sex marriage. Believe it or not, you can't force people to live under your religious beliefs.

 

[tribesman]

Sorry but I live in America. We are not a theocracy. We are not a Christian nation. We have no state religion. There is no secular reason to deny same-sex marriage. Believe it or not, you can't force people to live under your religious beliefs.

That is not a valid excuse. The word of God says that if you justify the wicked people who advocate this abomination (and condemn the just people who justly condemn it) then you - too - will become an abomination.

Prov.17

[15] He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Abominations do not go to heaven.

Thou art warned.

 

[Tsalagi]

I disagree. Until America becomes a Christian nation, no one is under any obligation to Christians, Christian law, or Christianity. If Christianity were used to govern the marriage laws of America, Christians wouldn't be able to marry non-Christians, divorce would be illegal, and re-marriage after divorce would be illegal. Someone else's secular marriage is not any of my business and it's not yours either. You're trying insert yourself in something that doesn't concern you. They're not hurting anyone so I say, leave them be. Every American is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[tribesman]

I disagree. Until America becomes a Christian nation, no one is under any obligation to Christians, Christian law, or Christianity. If Christianity were used to govern the marriage laws of America, Christians wouldn't be able to marry non-Christians, divorce would be illegal, and re-marriage after divorce would be illegal. Someone else's secular marriage is not any of my business and it's not yours either. You're trying insert yourself in something that doesn't concern you. They're not hurting anyone so I say, leave them be. Every American is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Nonsense. The statement is general. Does not have to be in a "christian nation".

 

[G4JC]

There are many scriptures already mentioned in this thread on why same-sex marriage is wrong, but I'm going to take it a step further and show you how it is already destroying America.

List of relevant articles:

• * Homosexuals brainwashing our children in elementary schools
• * Atlanta officials declare Constitution-free zone
• * Boycott The Home Depot (Be sure to examine pictures from the gay prides before judging the site)
• * 100 Questions for the Girl Scouts
• * ABC Skips Life March, But Highlights Attacks on Chick-fil-A By Gay Groups | NewsBusters.org
• * LifeSiteNews Mobile | ‘Evil’: Attendees at prominent pro-pedophilia conference horrified by sessions (the unfortunate next outcome if we allow worse sins to continue)
• * Hate crime: gay activists vandalize Mark Driscoll’s Mars Hill Church « Wintery Knight
• * STEPHEN PIDGEON - ATTORNEY AT LAW, P.S

Regarding the political aspect, while I do not support it - it is difficult to limit it. I would not want tons of government spending coming to raid homosexuals homes as this is an invasion of personal freedom on that aspect and the same could be done against others. Rather, it is the churches job to preach against it and change the hearts of the people - that is the only way true change will happen. We also can continue to vote against legalizing it on the state level wherever possible.

 

[Zork]

You don't have to agree with same sex attractions to realize equality is right. Personally I have no problem with either but I've known some who disagree but support equality.

Under God's word marriage means sex between a man and a woman. Not sex between man and a man, woman and a woman. God is clearly against sex between the same sex. And marriage is the appropriate place for sex and it's only between a man and a woman.

This is the appropriate definition, God's definition and that is what we as a culture, every culture should hold up. Not because of us, but because of God. It's my culture and I have the right to define it and I choose to definite it by my God's definition because it's best for my family, myself and everyone else. What will you do with your right to define it... stand by God's word or stand by the Devils?

Moving on to equality.

Equality as valuing every person as a human being sure, but it's clear that men and women are not equal. just take a glance... you'll see differences, one is usually stronger, the other has a better sense of smell etc etc very different physically but not absolutely equal but we can value them both as human beings equally and that's just "skin deep" men and women are different psychologically as-well. Then comes the word of God and gives man and women roles and things to remember... God is the head of Christ, Christ the head of man, and man the head of women.... husband love your wife... wife respect your husband... men and women are different, its no wonder God said different things to them.

Now homosexuality... that is VERY different... and God said, not just to homosexuals, but to everyone that having sex with the same sex is sin... it's in BOTH the NEW TESTAMENT and the old testament so same sex marriage is not something to support on the basis of equality, homosexual acts are sin and shouldn't be supported by protecting it with marriage.


I can value a homosexual person, a human being soul, God loves people and homosexuals are people but that doesn't mean...........

Note: Murdering or lying are being used to show you the point that homosexual acts are wrong/sin


............... I'll give homosexuals the thumbs up for murderng... the thumbs up for lying... the thumbs up for homosexual acts.

I'll pray for you because either your not truly a Christian/Not saved or your very well fooled by the enemy at the moment.