The Invention of Homosexuality

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Nehemiah6

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Homosexuality predates Darwin
Of course it does. But what's your point? It is not an invention but a PERVERSION. And since the Bible condemns it as perversion, it should be clear that God did not create homosexuals.
 

PennEd

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The point is that God doesn’t dictate how we express how we are born however there is purpose in not everyone being born manly. It’s population control.
I'm sorry but, This is absolutely ludicrous, bordering on blasphemous, to blame a particular sin nature on God.

The Bible says NOTHING like you have posited here. It does say that God gave them over to homosexuality because they loved their sin and worshipped the creation rather than the Creator.

It also says to "be fruitful and multiply". NOTHING about only multiplying to a certain number of people.
 
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No such thing as being born lgbt.. If that was so children would be gay from a young age. But it doesn't kick in until puberty
If you read what I wrote then you didn’t understand it.
 
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Of course it does. But what's your point? It is not an invention but a PERVERSION. And since the Bible condemns it as perversion, it should be clear that God did not create homosexuals.
I really don’t see why everyone seems to be missing my point. Man separated from God doesn’t follow what God designed. Who created liars?
 
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I'm sorry but, This is absolutely ludicrous, bordering on blasphemous, to blame a particular sin nature on God.

The Bible says NOTHING like you have posited here. It does say that God gave them over to homosexuality because they loved their sin and worshipped the creation rather than the Creator.

It also says to "be fruitful and multiply". NOTHING about only multiplying to a certain number of people.
Who did He tell to be fruitful and multiply and when did He tell them?
 

PennEd

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Who did He tell to be fruitful and multiply and when did He tell them?
He not only told pre-fall Adam and Eve, He also told the fallen world:


Genesis 9:1

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9 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
 
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I respect you and what you wrote while trying NOT to be argumentative. I do disagree with your position on several counts and have alternative beliefs on these points:

why would He judge people for being homosexual when they were born that way?
All creation is balanced, or created to be balanced.
Top predator populations are controlled by hormones.
Females determine which suitors get to pass on their genes.
God invented sex but He didn’t invent sexuality,
When He sent Israel on military campaigns to destroy populations, it was to maintain balance.
Too many alphas may cause battles to force natural selection.
humans glorify sex and celebrate it and allow it to define them
sexuality, how one defines their expression of hormonal urges.
Sexuality is psychological.
Sex wasn’t designed to define us and make us whole? Nope.
It’s not some sacred gift we give to another, making us one with them? Not exactly.
Seeker47 if you have time to potentially clarify some of your beliefs perhaps we can see where we differ. I too am a seeker, Hungry was chosen because of my insatiable appetite for knowledge and truth. I sought and found, asked and was answered. If I am delusional please enlighten me.
 

Nehemiah6

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I really don’t see why everyone seems to be missing my point. Man separated from God doesn’t follow what God designed. Who created liars?
Focus. No one created liars. But governments and media simply love their lies. So do all the public health agencies. Pay attention to this attack on the truth.

UK: CHRISTIAN PASTOR ARRESTED FOR SAYING MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN
"A Christian pastor in the UK was arrested by police after a member of the public reported him for the “homophobic” comment of saying that marriage was between a man and a woman.
Yes, really. The incident occurred outside Uxbridge Station in west London. A video clip shows the elderly pastor being confronted by police and forcefully handcuffed before being led away."
https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...r-saying-marriage-is-between-a-man-and-a.html

This is how all Western nations have turned away from God, from the Bible, and from biblical standards.

"Homophobic" means fear of homosexuality. But those who reject it do not fear it. They simply feel sorry for those ensnared in sexual perversion.
 
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He not only told pre-fall Adam and Eve, He also told the fallen world:


Genesis 9:1

New King James Version

9 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
The earth is full, now what? Did he speak to PennEd? Did he tell you to multiply? Read Exodus 32:27. God also said this to Israel. If you should be fruitful and multiply, maybe you should also kill every man, his companion and his neighbour?
 
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Focus. No one created liars. But governments and media simply love their lies. So do all the public health agencies. Pay attention to this attack on the truth.

UK: CHRISTIAN PASTOR ARRESTED FOR SAYING MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN
"A Christian pastor in the UK was arrested by police after a member of the public reported him for the “homophobic” comment of saying that marriage was between a man and a woman.
Yes, really. The incident occurred outside Uxbridge Station in west London. A video clip shows the elderly pastor being confronted by police and forcefully handcuffed before being led away."
https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...r-saying-marriage-is-between-a-man-and-a.html

This is how all Western nations have turned away from God, from the Bible, and from biblical standards.

"Homophobic" means fear of homosexuality. But those who reject it do not fear it. They simply feel sorry for those ensnared in sexual perversion.
Again, missing my point. Let’s reset with a less controversial sin. Did God create gluttony or alcoholism?
 
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Don't worry.

I won't.


I'll pass.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" (John 10:27)
Tell me, if I pledge my life to Christ, accept Him as my Saviour, honour Him in thought and in deed, love God with all of my mind, heart and soul, love my enemies and fast and pray, when I hear Him answer, who’s voice do you suppose it is?
 
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A gay gene as been debunked and studies with identical twins have shown homosexuality to be influenced by the environment, culture, and often times trauma to the child's brain.

Another study about teenage girls and the rise in lesbianism shows it to be mainly linked to peer pressure and cultural push for gratification as lgbt are treated like heroes.
Did you even read my post....or are you agreeing?
 

Seeker47

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Again, missing my point. Let’s reset with a less controversial sin. Did God create gluttony or alcoholism?
I come from very long line of alcoholics, at least back four generations. My father and both of my brothers are alcoholics. Without question I was born with a strong genetic pre-disposition to become alcoholic. Through God's grace I chose not to follow that path; if I had I could use the excuse "I was born that way" and have ample data to back my claim. But my claim would ultimately be error.

God did not create sin; any sin, man chose that path for himself. God wants to redeem.
 
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Live4Him

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Tell me, if I pledge my life to Christ, accept Him as my Saviour, honour Him in thought and in deed, love God with all of my mind, heart and soul, love my enemies and fast and pray, when I hear Him answer, who’s voice do you suppose it is?
No one ever honored God in thought and in deed, loved him with all of their mind, heart, and soul, loved their enemies, and fasted and prayed more than Jesus Christ did, and Satan spoke to him both directly (in the wilderness temptation, for example) and indirectly (through Peter, for example).

If a "spirit" speaks to you, and what it tells you doesn't line up with what the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, inspired men to write in the Bible, then it's either Satan or a demon speaking to you.
 

PennEd

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The earth is full, now what? Did he speak to PennEd?
Yes. God speaks to me every time I read the Word. And if I heard something contrary to His Word, I'd know the voice I heard wasn't Him. So yes, God STILL says to be fruitful and multiply. Show me where He says anything close to Him making homosexuals to lower Earths population. Simply absurd.

And Exodus 32 has less than zero to do with what we are talking about.
 
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I come from very long line of alcoholics, at least back four generations. My father and both of my brothers are alcoholics. Without question I was born with a strong genetic pre-disposition to become alcoholic. Through God's grace I chose not to follow that path; if I had I could use the excuse "I was born that way" and have ample data to back my claim. But my claim would ultimately be error.

God did not create sin; any sin, man chose that path for himself. God wants to redeem.
You are agreeing with what I stated exactly. Up until 30 years ago it was worse to be a homosexual than an alcoholic. Now alcoholism is frowned upon but homosexuality is celebrated. When we are born we all have some propensities. My family has alcoholism. Drinking makes us happy. My wife’s family are gluttons. When my side gets together we drink, her side, they feast. Sure there is some environmental influence but I think it is safe to conclude alcohol makes me feel happier than food and food makes her feel happier than alcohol genetically from birth. My point is this, God didn’t invent alcoholism, He didn’t invent gluttony AND He didn’t invent homosexuality. However the propensity to eat clean, love sobriety and have heterosexual relations aren’t innate.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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I think some people seek homosexuality as a form of rebellion (these people are able to be bisexuals and can be attracted to the opposite sex), whereas other people are not attracted to the opposite sex AT ALL but only the same sex. I think multiple factors are involved as to why a person is gay (biological, hormonal, environmental, etc.). I think kids are asexual but something happens at puberty where they begin leaning one way, but they may "come out" later on.
 

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oh

I thought pandemics and disease was up for that problem :unsure:

so you are saying God put feminine men on earth to control the population. do I have that right?

waaaaaaaay out in left field IMO

totally left out the sin equation and the fact this earth is OUT of balance and will be until God puts HIS finger on the scale

I said out in left field, but truthfully, I think it's more like the op is watching too many national geo 'docs' and maybe the history channel too. reads like a really bad school term report. I give it a D-
Agree


All sickness is from living in a fallen world. There were exceptional cases in the bible where sicknesses were sent (Like with Job) but for most of us God didn't send sickness . It's a result of living in a fallen world.

A loving God doesn't give His beloved creation hormone disorders. Think of those poor women with PCOS. They have too many male hormones and become covered with excess body and face hair, start growing beards, they are prone to diabetes, sleep apnea, vitamin d deficiencies, brittle bones, insulin resistance and mental health issues also infertility. Many of them have to spend decades on birth control to control out of control bleeding lasting months. Those who are "lucky" enough to fall pregnant often find their much wanted babies don't carry full term of they may survive and grow up with a much higher chance of autism.

Your God caused that?.he desires that for His children?

He sounds like a monster!
 
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No one ever honored God in thought and in deed, loved him with all of their mind, heart, and soul, loved their enemies, and fasted and prayed more than Jesus Christ did, and Satan spoke to him both directly (in the wilderness temptation, for example) and indirectly (through Peter, for example).

If a "spirit" speaks to you, and what it tells you doesn't line up with what the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, inspired men to write in the Bible, then it's either Satan or a demon speaking to you.
I know the voice of the Shepherd. I have not written anything contrary to Scripture. What I have stated opposes understanding.