The Invention of Homosexuality
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I told you that young children do not have a sexual orientation. There are no documented cases of gay in babies or any child younger than 8. So not born gay
God in His word said children are a blessing and actually said through Paul that motherhood is a good thing as women were.saved by childbearing (Jesus was born of Mary and He saved us). Nowhere in God's word does He say the population needs to be kept low.
What do you think saved by childbearing literally means, especially in the context about being quiet in church as it was delivered? I agree children aren’t born gay. That’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning it anyone cared to read the OP before they allowed their prejudices cloud their understanding.
What do you think saved by childbearing literally means, especially in the context about being quiet in church as it was delivered? I agree children aren’t born gay. That’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning it anyone cared to read the OP before they allowed their prejudices cloud their understanding.
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I have No prejudice against gay people I was bisexual myself until God set me free.
Saved b childbearing meant that women should be encouraged to stop going from house to house gossiping and being idle and tend to their husbands and children. Because Mary modelled to them how good women should be.bear in mind this was before women had option of having careers . Being childfree is not a sin. But in Pauls day most women were mothers and Paul was.saying "it's your job to be married and have babies, your role as a woman is a good one. So he was saying a good thing
It isn't talking about salvation as in saved from sin or hell because salvation only comes through the finished work of Jesus , His atonement for sins. Men and women are saved the same way. Not by any work but faith
Saved b childbearing meant that women should be encouraged to stop going from house to house gossiping and being idle and tend to their husbands and children. Because Mary modelled to them how good women should be.bear in mind this was before women had option of having careers . Being childfree is not a sin. But in Pauls day most women were mothers and Paul was.saying "it's your job to be married and have babies, your role as a woman is a good one. So he was saying a good thing
It isn't talking about salvation as in saved from sin or hell because salvation only comes through the finished work of Jesus , His atonement for sins. Men and women are saved the same way. Not by any work but faith
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Delusional is not my word and I reject that thought absolutely. You are indeed a seeker and that is both our benefit and our curse. Seekers travel their own roads, bumps and all.
I will try to make a response. These are my thoughts and I make no claim on wisdom. If I have misunderstood any of these comments, and I probably did; please grant me a grace.
"why would He judge people for being homosexual when they were born that way?"
I think we confuse pre-destination with tendency. I agree some are born with traits, such as effeminate males, that can lead to poor choices, but it is ultimately a choice.
"All creation is balanced, or created to be balanced."
While ecological processes may attempt to return to their previous state of balance, creation progresses. The history of creation does not revert or we would have dinosaur neighbors. The second law of thermodynamics established not balance but entropy in creation.
"Top predator populations are controlled by hormones."
If you are talking animal predators, I do not believe there is evidence to support your conclusion. Animal predators are controlled by their nature (instinct) which were God created. If you are talking about “alpha males” then, much like the homosexual issue, it comes down to choice. If not choice, then any crime of an alpha male would have to be excused.
"Females determine which suitors get to pass on their genes."
In our culture this may be true, but in others this is far from the norm. Throughout history the choices of female humans have been limited, or worse, absolutely controlled by others. We may see greater choices in the animal world for some females but should not assume this for humans.
"God invented sex but He didn’t invent sexuality,"
Sexuality is the expression of our sex and was absolutely created by God. I am not sure how you can make this point without dismissing the story of creation.
"When He sent Israel on military campaigns to destroy populations, it was to maintain balance."
This is a tough one. I think it is a misinterpretation to say God sent the Israelites on campaigns to destroy populations. He did send them on campaigns to destroy some populations who had abandoned their beliefs and engaged if sin. The goal appears to be to be the creation of a land for His people where they could live in peace under His rule. There are also examples in the Bible where he cautioned the Israelites to leave certain populations alone and to pass through their land in peace.
"Too many alphas may cause battles to force natural selection."
Too many alphas will cause them to battle each other. That always happens when cultures encounter change.
"humans glorify sex and celebrate it and allow it to define them"
Most people do not let sex define them. We are husbands, wives, parents, children, Christians, cub fans, and bad golfers. Sex is only a wee piece of a greater human picture.
"sexuality, how one defines their expression of hormonal urges."
Sexuality is much more than that. I have been married 53 years, if urges controlled my sexuality, I probably would not have survived the very first one.
"Sexuality is psychological."
Yes, and physical, and emotional, and spiritual. Jesus repeatedly used marriage as the clearest example of his relationship with us. He is the Bridegroom and we are his bride. This is much more than a psychological expression.
"Sex wasn’t designed to define us and make us whole? Nope."
Sex does make us whole; we are designed to experience all the benefits of sex as long as we do so appropriately. It is satisfying, fulfilling and answers some very deep needs we have besides just urges. This is why it is so central to humans.
"It’s not some sacred gift we give to another, making us one with them? Not exactly."
It is. Husband and wife become one, totally and exclusively. One flesh, one mind, one body, one in spirit. We are one in every way as we shall someday be one in Christ.
Finally, about Darwin. His theories have been discounted among scientists and are now only promulgated by the anti-Christian media. He correctly described processes that generate changes in populations but then tried to expand those processes to explain the Origin of Species. It doesn’t work. This is a very simple explanation and you will need to explore the truth on your own.
Please know this is written with all honor and respect.
I will try to make a response. These are my thoughts and I make no claim on wisdom. If I have misunderstood any of these comments, and I probably did; please grant me a grace.
"why would He judge people for being homosexual when they were born that way?"
I think we confuse pre-destination with tendency. I agree some are born with traits, such as effeminate males, that can lead to poor choices, but it is ultimately a choice.
"All creation is balanced, or created to be balanced."
While ecological processes may attempt to return to their previous state of balance, creation progresses. The history of creation does not revert or we would have dinosaur neighbors. The second law of thermodynamics established not balance but entropy in creation.
"Top predator populations are controlled by hormones."
If you are talking animal predators, I do not believe there is evidence to support your conclusion. Animal predators are controlled by their nature (instinct) which were God created. If you are talking about “alpha males” then, much like the homosexual issue, it comes down to choice. If not choice, then any crime of an alpha male would have to be excused.
"Females determine which suitors get to pass on their genes."
In our culture this may be true, but in others this is far from the norm. Throughout history the choices of female humans have been limited, or worse, absolutely controlled by others. We may see greater choices in the animal world for some females but should not assume this for humans.
"God invented sex but He didn’t invent sexuality,"
Sexuality is the expression of our sex and was absolutely created by God. I am not sure how you can make this point without dismissing the story of creation.
"When He sent Israel on military campaigns to destroy populations, it was to maintain balance."
This is a tough one. I think it is a misinterpretation to say God sent the Israelites on campaigns to destroy populations. He did send them on campaigns to destroy some populations who had abandoned their beliefs and engaged if sin. The goal appears to be to be the creation of a land for His people where they could live in peace under His rule. There are also examples in the Bible where he cautioned the Israelites to leave certain populations alone and to pass through their land in peace.
"Too many alphas may cause battles to force natural selection."
Too many alphas will cause them to battle each other. That always happens when cultures encounter change.
"humans glorify sex and celebrate it and allow it to define them"
Most people do not let sex define them. We are husbands, wives, parents, children, Christians, cub fans, and bad golfers. Sex is only a wee piece of a greater human picture.
"sexuality, how one defines their expression of hormonal urges."
Sexuality is much more than that. I have been married 53 years, if urges controlled my sexuality, I probably would not have survived the very first one.
"Sexuality is psychological."
Yes, and physical, and emotional, and spiritual. Jesus repeatedly used marriage as the clearest example of his relationship with us. He is the Bridegroom and we are his bride. This is much more than a psychological expression.
"Sex wasn’t designed to define us and make us whole? Nope."
Sex does make us whole; we are designed to experience all the benefits of sex as long as we do so appropriately. It is satisfying, fulfilling and answers some very deep needs we have besides just urges. This is why it is so central to humans.
"It’s not some sacred gift we give to another, making us one with them? Not exactly."
It is. Husband and wife become one, totally and exclusively. One flesh, one mind, one body, one in spirit. We are one in every way as we shall someday be one in Christ.
Finally, about Darwin. His theories have been discounted among scientists and are now only promulgated by the anti-Christian media. He correctly described processes that generate changes in populations but then tried to expand those processes to explain the Origin of Species. It doesn’t work. This is a very simple explanation and you will need to explore the truth on your own.
Please know this is written with all honor and respect.
Until functioning testicles turn it up a notch at puberty, there is less difference between boys and girls but still a noticeable difference. I can see why the Lord led me to write this. Clearly the bigotry among Christians towards homosexuals is evident. If I had said physically retarded people are born that way, there is no argument. Had I said mentally retarded people are born and again, a resounding YES! I suggest sexually retarded people are born and nothing but accusations of demonic heresy. However, physically retarded people get sympathy, mentally retarded people get sympathy and sexually retarded people get teased, told they are destined for Hell and accepted only by sinners who manipulate their less than normal traits and give them a false hope that they too can find happiness. If I have seen a group of Christians who honour the Lord by loving sinners as He did, it is not in this forum.
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I am not.homophobic as I was bisexual myself as I mentioned in and earlier post.
And some of my closest Christian friends are gay or trans . I love them.and have no issue with them. But I know children have no concept.of being attracted to anybody sexually. They are at home.in their own bodies at that age. The insecurity and feeling confused comes later usually
And some of my closest Christian friends are gay or trans . I love them.and have no issue with them. But I know children have no concept.of being attracted to anybody sexually. They are at home.in their own bodies at that age. The insecurity and feeling confused comes later usually
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So "God" gave you a different answer than what he had written in his book to us. So what he had written to us in our Bible is this. "For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
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Romans 1:21-27 ESV
So do we believe the bible or your over active imagination?
What you need to understand is that when you say that God said a thing that he did not say, you have made yourself a false prophet. While I don't believe you want to be a false prophet, I suggest you repent.
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Romans 1:21-27 ESV
So do we believe the bible or your over active imagination?
What you need to understand is that when you say that God said a thing that he did not say, you have made yourself a false prophet. While I don't believe you want to be a false prophet, I suggest you repent.
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I appreciate that you have taken the time to expand on your answers. I feel confident calling you bother in the Lord. I won’t disagree with what you stated. There are some areas that are true because humans make them true by way of societal programming and conditioning. I am not special. All I did was believe the Word is true. I followed the Scriptures like a treasure map. I searched them exhaustively for knowledge and understanding. It wasn’t until I put the book down and reached out calling His name relentlessly, fasting and praying, abandoning all pleasure until one day He answered. He explained all things in ways I hadn’t imagined or ever been taught. However each time I researched what He told me, there it was in His book. If you are truly a seeker message me and I will share or better yet ask Him yourself. I know why the religious minded people scoffed at Christ. When you think you have all of the answers it’s easy to determine someone is wrong. I didn’t scoff at anyone here (nor did you) and clearly invited their correction. I’m not claiming to be a “prophet”. The Lord knows I love Him and talks to me because I know how to shut up and listen. Be blessed and congratulations on 53 years of marriage.
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All that you stated I agree with. This has nothing to do with how population naturally effects testosterone levels in males. It is the human retrobate mind that translates sub-male traits to represent that your femininity must be made manifested as a gay male. A male born feminine who accepted Christ completely wouldn’t feel the need to express himself sexually at all, let alone as a homosexual. He would just live for God asexually as did many of the Jewish males who were castrated when they were captured. That is the difference of being spiritually born. The flesh and its carnality are no longer masters to us. Man was made to serve God, not the flesh. Everything you posted is an example of people who live to satisfy the flesh.
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