The lockdowns accomplished absolutely nothing!

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Nehemiah6

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That is the conclusion of a recent study by J. P. Morgan. In fact, infection rates dropped after countries and states decided to reopen. However, millions of livelihoods were destroyed. China could not have asked for a better outcome. We could call this "the Chinese revenge against Trump".

Lockdowns failed to alter the course of pandemic and are now destroying millions of livelihoods worldwide, JP Morgan study claims

Coronavirus lockdowns have failed to alter the course of the pandemic but have instead 'destroyed millions of livelihoods', a JP Morgan study has claimed. Falling infection rates since lockdowns were lifted suggest that the virus 'likely has its own dynamics' which are 'unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures', a report published by the financial services giant said...

Author Marko Kolanovic, a trained physicist and a strategist for JP Morgan, said governments had been spooked by 'flawed scientific papers' into imposing lockdowns which were 'inefficient or late' and had little effect. 'Unlike rigorous testing of new drugs, lockdowns were administered with little consideration that they might not only cause economic devastation but potentially more deaths than Covid-19 itself,' he claimed...

..Infection rates have continued to decline even once a lag period for new infections to become visible is factored in, the report says. The R rate shows how many people each virus patient typically infects, and some countries regard a rate below 1.0 as a key indicator that the epidemic is in retreat...

..This graph [not shown here] published in a JP Morgan report shows that many countries saw their infection rates fall rather than rise again when they ended their lockdowns - suggesting that the virus may have its own 'dynamics' which are 'unrelated' to the emergency measures. The JP Morgan report includes graphs showing that 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted.

A second graph [not shown here] shows a similar effect in the US, showing that many states saw a lower rate of transmission (R) after full-scale lockdowns were ended. They included Colorado, Iowa, Alabama, Wyoming, Wisconsin and Mississippi, according to the chart, although not all states are included. Nevada and North Dakota are among the exceptions which appear to have had a higher rate of transmission since normal life began to resume... The report also shows many US states including Alabama, Wisconsin and Colorado enjoying lower R rates after lockdown measures were lifted... All 50 US states have at least partially reopened this week by relaxing restrictions on businesses and social distancing in varying degrees across the country

'While we often hear that lockdowns are driven by scientific models, and that there is an exact relationship between the level of economic activity and the spread of [the] virus - this is not supported by the data,' the report says. 'Indeed, virtually everywhere infection rates have declined after re-opening even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag.

'This means that the pandemic and Covid-19 likely have [their] own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented.' Those dynamics may be influenced by increased hand-washing and even weather patterns but seemingly not by full-scale lockdowns, the report suggests. 'The fact that re-opening did not change the course of the pandemic is consistent with studies showing that initiation of full lockdowns did not alter the course of the pandemic either,' it says...

In some European countries, studies suggest that the measures 'did not produce any change in pandemic parameters' such as the R rate, the JP Morgan report says. Kolanovic says that lockdowns had remained in place even as 'our knowledge of the virus and lack of effectiveness of total lockdowns evolved'. 'At the same time, millions of livelihoods were being destroyed by these lockdowns,' he writes...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html
 
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That is the conclusion of a recent study by J. P. Morgan. In fact, infection rates dropped after countries and states decided to reopen. However, millions of livelihoods were destroyed. China could not have asked for a better outcome. We could call this "the Chinese revenge against Trump".

Lockdowns failed to alter the course of pandemic and are now destroying millions of livelihoods worldwide, JP Morgan study claims

Coronavirus lockdowns have failed to alter the course of the pandemic but have instead 'destroyed millions of livelihoods', a JP Morgan study has claimed. Falling infection rates since lockdowns were lifted suggest that the virus 'likely has its own dynamics' which are 'unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures', a report published by the financial services giant said...

Author Marko Kolanovic, a trained physicist and a strategist for JP Morgan, said governments had been spooked by 'flawed scientific papers' into imposing lockdowns which were 'inefficient or late' and had little effect. 'Unlike rigorous testing of new drugs, lockdowns were administered with little consideration that they might not only cause economic devastation but potentially more deaths than Covid-19 itself,' he claimed...

..Infection rates have continued to decline even once a lag period for new infections to become visible is factored in, the report says. The R rate shows how many people each virus patient typically infects, and some countries regard a rate below 1.0 as a key indicator that the epidemic is in retreat...

..This graph [not shown here] published in a JP Morgan report shows that many countries saw their infection rates fall rather than rise again when they ended their lockdowns - suggesting that the virus may have its own 'dynamics' which are 'unrelated' to the emergency measures. The JP Morgan report includes graphs showing that 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted.

A second graph [not shown here] shows a similar effect in the US, showing that many states saw a lower rate of transmission (R) after full-scale lockdowns were ended. They included Colorado, Iowa, Alabama, Wyoming, Wisconsin and Mississippi, according to the chart, although not all states are included. Nevada and North Dakota are among the exceptions which appear to have had a higher rate of transmission since normal life began to resume... The report also shows many US states including Alabama, Wisconsin and Colorado enjoying lower R rates after lockdown measures were lifted... All 50 US states have at least partially reopened this week by relaxing restrictions on businesses and social distancing in varying degrees across the country

'While we often hear that lockdowns are driven by scientific models, and that there is an exact relationship between the level of economic activity and the spread of [the] virus - this is not supported by the data,' the report says. 'Indeed, virtually everywhere infection rates have declined after re-opening even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag.

'This means that the pandemic and Covid-19 likely have [their] own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented.' Those dynamics may be influenced by increased hand-washing and even weather patterns but seemingly not by full-scale lockdowns, the report suggests. 'The fact that re-opening did not change the course of the pandemic is consistent with studies showing that initiation of full lockdowns did not alter the course of the pandemic either,' it says...

In some European countries, studies suggest that the measures 'did not produce any change in pandemic parameters' such as the R rate, the JP Morgan report says. Kolanovic says that lockdowns had remained in place even as 'our knowledge of the virus and lack of effectiveness of total lockdowns evolved'. 'At the same time, millions of livelihoods were being destroyed by these lockdowns,' he writes...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html
so you are relying on a banks opinion rather than doctor's or scientist's. Huh... What has this world come to...
 
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EleventhHour

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Yes, that is exactly what I do when I am sick I go see my banker.

I am also completely sure that J P Morgan is completely unbiased. :D
 
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so you are relying on a banks opinion rather than doctor's or scientist's. Huh... What has this world come to...
We are moving back to prior the dark ages... soon we will need Galileo, Newton and Da Vinci to come back :rolleyes:
 
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We are moving back to prior the dark ages... soon we will need Galileo, Newton and Da Vinci to come back :rolleyes:
I think Plato would do the trick!

Theory of:

The " characteristic platonic dualism between the grossness of body and man's compacity for true knowledge " Lol...
 

Ahwatukee

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They should have never locked down our countries economy in the first place.
 
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They should have never locked down our countries economy in the first place.
Hey Ahwatukee. So, I don't get It. You're good with American's dying here? I'm not, not even a little bit. Everyone has survived. The billionaire's still have their billion's. what's the problem? The House of representatives took care of the U.S. just as they always have. This is the reason I feel safe here. They Make Sure of It. Anyway, That's how I see it...
 
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I think Plato would do the trick!

Theory of:

The " characteristic platonic dualism between the grossness of body and man's compacity for true knowledge " Lol...

And, He lived 400 years before Christ. So no one can curse me, Lol...
 

Nehemiah6

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so you are relying on a banks opinion rather than doctor's or scientist's. Huh... What has this world come to...
A bank has every right to research this matter since everything said by the so-called experts has been either wrong or bogus. Banks have been seriously affected in that there are now a huge number of defaults on loans, credit cards etc. People need to know the truth.

So why don't you consult the article I have quoted, and look at the graphs presented (which I excluded) and see for yourself that the lockdowns were totally useless.

And since Fauci, Birx, Redfield, etc. have been PROVEN to be wrong over and over again, they should all be fired by Trump. Not only that but they have criminally denied and sabotaged the efficacy of HCQ/erithromycin/zinc sulfate which has been PROVEN to be 100% effective.

Kindly do your research from independent sources, rather than the biased Left-Wing media who have been attacking HCQ and Trump day after day.
 
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They should have never locked down our countries economy in the first place.
Excellent idea... :rolleyes:
A novel virus, no treatment and no vaccine ...yes having people collapse in the streets like they did on China and Italy is a great confidence builder for the economy.
 
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A bank has every right to research this matter since everything said by the so-called experts has been either wrong or bogus. Banks have been seriously affected in that there are now a huge number of defaults on loans, credit cards etc. People need to know the truth.

So why don't you consult the article I have quoted, and look at the graphs presented (which I excluded) and see for yourself that the lockdowns were totally useless.

And since Fauci, Birx, Redfield, etc. have been PROVEN to be wrong over and over again, they should all be fired by Trump. Not only that but they have criminally denied and sabotaged the efficacy of HCQ/erithromycin/zinc sulfate which has been PROVEN to be 100% effective.

Kindly do your research from independent sources, rather than the biased Left-Wing media who have been attacking HCQ and Trump day after day.
Hilarious, family of mine, medical field, just finished a meta analysis of the data HCQ/erithromycin/zinc sulfate at McGill University and the treatment is far from conclusive and yet you know better and proven 100% effective based on very little evidence.

Clinical trials need to be done.. do you know what that is?
 
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They were able to shut down churches.

That alone should wake up all the sleeping Christians.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hey Ahwatukee. So, I don't get It. You're good with American's dying here? I'm not, not even a little bit. Everyone has survived. The billionaire's still have their billion's. what's the problem? The House of representatives took care of the U.S. just as they always have. This is the reason I feel safe here. They Make Sure of It. Anyway, That's how I see it...
Yeah, but by shutting down the nation they created a worse pandemic, an economic one. Here's the thing, God has a set time for each individual's type and time of death. Death comes because of sin that entered into the world. Everyone who dies from this virus was meant to. The government changed nothing by closing down the economy. The reason that the majority of the people are so concerned, is because they are unbelievers and so this life is all they have. After that is eternal condemnation in the lake of fire. In opposition, those who are in Christ who die from this virus, their spirits departed and go to be in the presence of the Lord, where they are waiting for the resurrection from heaven side.

I know that this probably sounds morbid to some, but it's the truth.
 
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EleventhHour

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They were able to shut down churches.

That alone should wake up all the sleeping Christians.
What do you care you have stated multiple times you are self taught and do not need church?
 
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EleventhHour

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Yeah, but by shutting down the nation they created a worse pandemic, an economic one. Here's the thing, God has a set time for each individual's type and time of death. Death comes because of sin that entered into the world. Everyone who dies from this virus was meant to. The government changed nothing by closing down the economy. The reason that the majority of the people are so concerned, is because they are unbelievers and so this life is all they have. After that is eternal condemnation in the lake of fire. In opposition, those who are in Christ who die from this virus, their spirits departed and go to be in the presence of the Lord, where they are waiting for the resurrection from heaven side.

I know that this probably sounds morbid to some, but it's the truth.
So the economy trumps life because we all die?

We can be derelict in our duty to hopefully save lives because we are all doing to die anyway... okay.
 
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That is the conclusion of a recent study by J. P. Morgan. In fact, infection rates dropped after countries and states decided to reopen. However, millions of livelihoods were destroyed. China could not have asked for a better outcome. We could call this "the Chinese revenge against Trump".

Lockdowns failed to alter the course of pandemic and are now destroying millions of livelihoods worldwide, JP Morgan study claims

Coronavirus lockdowns have failed to alter the course of the pandemic but have instead 'destroyed millions of livelihoods', a JP Morgan study has claimed. Falling infection rates since lockdowns were lifted suggest that the virus 'likely has its own dynamics' which are 'unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures', a report published by the financial services giant said...

Author Marko Kolanovic, a trained physicist and a strategist for JP Morgan, said governments had been spooked by 'flawed scientific papers' into imposing lockdowns which were 'inefficient or late' and had little effect. 'Unlike rigorous testing of new drugs, lockdowns were administered with little consideration that they might not only cause economic devastation but potentially more deaths than Covid-19 itself,' he claimed...

..Infection rates have continued to decline even once a lag period for new infections to become visible is factored in, the report says. The R rate shows how many people each virus patient typically infects, and some countries regard a rate below 1.0 as a key indicator that the epidemic is in retreat...

..This graph [not shown here] published in a JP Morgan report shows that many countries saw their infection rates fall rather than rise again when they ended their lockdowns - suggesting that the virus may have its own 'dynamics' which are 'unrelated' to the emergency measures. The JP Morgan report includes graphs showing that 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted.

A second graph [not shown here] shows a similar effect in the US, showing that many states saw a lower rate of transmission (R) after full-scale lockdowns were ended. They included Colorado, Iowa, Alabama, Wyoming, Wisconsin and Mississippi, according to the chart, although not all states are included. Nevada and North Dakota are among the exceptions which appear to have had a higher rate of transmission since normal life began to resume... The report also shows many US states including Alabama, Wisconsin and Colorado enjoying lower R rates after lockdown measures were lifted... All 50 US states have at least partially reopened this week by relaxing restrictions on businesses and social distancing in varying degrees across the country

'While we often hear that lockdowns are driven by scientific models, and that there is an exact relationship between the level of economic activity and the spread of [the] virus - this is not supported by the data,' the report says. 'Indeed, virtually everywhere infection rates have declined after re-opening even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag.

'This means that the pandemic and Covid-19 likely have [their] own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented.' Those dynamics may be influenced by increased hand-washing and even weather patterns but seemingly not by full-scale lockdowns, the report suggests. 'The fact that re-opening did not change the course of the pandemic is consistent with studies showing that initiation of full lockdowns did not alter the course of the pandemic either,' it says...

In some European countries, studies suggest that the measures 'did not produce any change in pandemic parameters' such as the R rate, the JP Morgan report says. Kolanovic says that lockdowns had remained in place even as 'our knowledge of the virus and lack of effectiveness of total lockdowns evolved'. 'At the same time, millions of livelihoods were being destroyed by these lockdowns,' he writes...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html
Too soon to tell. Texas spiked three weeks after public protests and I am wondering if they will trace it to the protesters.

My state is just starting their open up phase how could this study have been done already? Too soon.

I predict 250,000 deaths in the US by end of August. I predict a record spike in infection cases in one month from today. I am using simple logic. I hope I am wrong. If I am wrong I am predicting that the slow down will be directly related to the warmer weather and its effect on how the virus spreads.
 
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Too soon to tell. Texas spiked three weeks after public protests and I am wondering if they will trace it to the protesters.

My state is just starting their open up phase how could this study have been done already? Too soon.

I predict 250,000 deaths in the US by end of August. I predict a record spike in infection cases in one month from today. I am using simple logic. I hope I am wrong. If I am wrong I am predicting that the slow down will be directly related to the warmer weather and its effect on how the virus spreads.
There will be successive waves, which will damage the economy further.
People will loose confidence... the economy runs on confidence.