Women's Education and Having Babies

[presidente]

I want both my wife and daughters to fear God and be obedient to Christ. Part of that is for them to be submissive wives, should the girls marry. Submissive does not equal passive or docile.

 

[Lanolin]

submission means submitting everything to the other person for consideration.
if you are married, you submit to each other. Its not just one way, but theres the thing about covering ie. protection. In a patriarchy its everything goes to the father figure.

Some cultures are actually matriarchies...the women have the power.

Muslims countries are exclusively patriarchical and women have practically no say in anything they do. if you ever go to one under sharia law you will see NO women out in public or they will be covered up with a veil. does it work? well men will tell you yep but women wont be allowed to tell you how they really feel as they will be silenced if they do.

 

[Princesse]

I want both my wife and daughters to fear God and be obedient to Christ. Part of that is for them to be submissive wives, should the girls marry. Submissive does not equal passive or docile.

That’s correct. Hopefully, their partners will understand God’s meaning and not apply their own.

 

[GaryA]

That’s correct. Hopefully, their partners will understand God’s meaning and not apply their own.

Both husband-to-be and wife-to-be should agree on that before they marry.

 

[GHW1776]

Women shouldn't lead the family, Men should as they do in church. i am all for women being educated and able to take care of herself but she must submit as the husband must. Yes feminism has been a huge poison for every culture and its even worse now. Women were happier than men for the longest time because of the way things were now men are surpassing women. Why must people seriously think our culture dictates how we follow the word and not let the word dictact our culutre. There is a huge failing of both men and women, parents suck and we say oh well i tried my best.

Men we have failed, we have let our culture dictate how we view women and that view has been someone to have sex with or take care of us. Start working as a team and stop being a tyrant.

 

[Princesse]

Women have it significantly easier in today’s culture and men are constantly maligned. If you’re kicked in the gut you’ll look for respect elsewhere. Or demand it.

The king of the castle can swiftly become a tyrant. Fathers must prepare their daughters to handle the challenges men face. They’re getting the brunt of his frustration. And sons must learn how to weather the storm without turning their spouse into a whipping post.

 

[Princesse]

Both husband-to-be and wife-to-be should agree on that before they marry.

I’d pay little heed to words and focus on the challenges he’s grappling with. Especially at work. I’d want to see how he handles adversity, disappointment, and whether accolades are evident or barely given.

If his world is devoid of respect and appreciation for his contribution and he isn’t getting that through involvement in church or social service organizations; I wouldn’t go forward.

Men have a desire to prove themselves. And family life can’t be the lone domain.

 

[GHW1776]

As men we fail. if we seek any type of approval or justifcation outside of God we do ourselves a huge diservice. Sadly many men look for this in thei wives, friends, family nd so on. It doesnt nothing for us truly.

Remember the most selfish thing we can do is pin all of our happiness on someone else and tie their hands be hind their back or not share with them what makes us happy. Men and women both do this and we both categorically destroy our family as well as make it the other persons fault.

 

[Lanolin]

I didnt go to an all girls school so not sure if anyone elses experience is different, but many mums are not teaching their daughters how to be mothers and look after children. Dads are not teaching their sons how to be fathers and providing for their families either.

The educational system, for the most part has become quite oudated and was just meant to teach children to become good minumum wage factory workers employees to grow the economy, and maybe the more academic ones leaders of industry and society as employers...parenting is not even on the agenda in most schools.

Primary schools here have to get volunteers in to teach gardening and cooking, two basic skills everyone needs to have to survive.

 

[Princesse]

Gardening is a hobby in the US. Few do it as their primary source of food save homesteaders, urban gardeners and others who can’t afford organic food. The majority with green thumbs prefer to grow flowers.

It requires time, planning, and maintenance. I spent a season on an organic production farm when I contemplated homesteading. But that isn’t the path the Lord had in mind. Nevertheless, it’s a nice skill if you’re organized and willing to plan around the harvest.

 

[Lanolin]

its not a 'nice skill' I would say its an essential skill but the I suppose you dont really live amongst those who cant afford fresh food.

which is why children are learning. Cooking wasnt even taught in schools except for one optional subject in years 7-8, horticulture was taught in an outdated way from textbooks!


flowers are essential for pollination purposes, its not wise to grow veges etc without flowers.
It does require time and effort especially if you dont live where there is good soil. But that is something everyone needs to know about as God created us from the dust of the earth i.e the soil. Remember Adams punishment? The ground was cursed and he and Eve were banished from the garden God had planted.

Everyone is connected to the garden in some way, and He didnt grow the tree of life for nothing.

 

[Lanolin]

homesteading isonly for those who can afford it most people do not have the land. Most people do not own the land they live in so its hard for renters to garden if they dont know how long they can live there for. When I did a permaculture course, which did cost quite a bit...most of the students actually did own some land and so they could have made a go of it. I was on scholarship. I dont think they realised that land use is restricted by governements who will tell you what you can or cannot do on it. and depending on who is in power, they wont let certain people go on certain areas of land either, or some give many people the poorest land to live on.

 

[Princesse]

As a US resident, I think I’m capable of speaking for our demographic. The comment was in relation to US citizens not other countries.

No, I don’t know anyone forced to grow food for their survival. And since the practice isn’t common for our citizenship, your assumption is incorrect.

Just because you enjoy fiddling with soil doesn’t mean everyone wants to do the same. Acknowledging their disinterest isn’t an ode to wealth. It’s the realization of free will.

It’s not a priority.

 

[Princesse]

Container gardening is the popular approach for those who rent. Setup is easy and it s mobile. Some access shared plots similar to Victory gardens common in wartime. Aquaponics and vertical gardening are other options.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

There is some friction between housewives and career women, and it's not always the case of career women looking down on housewives. Sometimes housewives create bad stereotypes of career women which isn't true, such as being selfish, they hate children, etc. Being someone with a full time job who cares about my career (in terms of gaining more knowledge in my field, getting promotion/pay raises, etc.) I do not look down on housewives if they have children.

Yes, I'm single in my 30s and sometimes I think it might be "too late." At the same time, I do not think I have missed any opportunities because I simply have not met the right person. If I met the love of my life but rejected him for a career, that would be a different story. But that's not the case for me.

The role of parents and schools (and churches) is to make sure that children fulfill their full potential, whether boy or girl. However each entity has a different idea of what this full potential should be. If she is taught to excel in academic areas, think critically (which is a role of schools), she is not going to be a "yes honey" woman all the time. What does it mean that a wife must submit to her husband? Does it mean she has to say "yes honey" to everything? Rather, I think it is the wife's responsibility to support and make sure he is the best he can be. "Behind every successful man, there is a woman" does not mean a woman who says "yes honey" to everything.

 

[Princesse]

Yet, the majority of modern day Martha Stewart’s and Julia Child’s filling the Internet and social media feeds aren’t stay-at-home wives or mothers. They’re industrious women who saw a hole in the market and exploited it. Most worked and built their businesses over time.

Which goes to prove that being home full-time doesn’t make one an expert. I know several who’ve retired their husbands. They’re able to pursue other interests or help them in the business.

 

[Lanolin]

the thing about marriages are that, one is not always certain how long you your spouse may live for.
Its rare that spouse will die on the same day for example. One is going to end up a widow sooner or later and if you cannot cope with that because you were so dependent on the other to the point you couldnt function thats not good either.

Motherhood and fatherhood ought to be priority for BOTH parents not just one over the other. whichever way you want to split it is up to you in the marriage, mums full time the first 10 years, dad the next or vice versa. Who is to say fatherhood isnt just as important?
the thing its the mums that are often lumped with having to be BOTH while the dad goes awol. Working to provide is not an excuse not to be present with your children when they need you. children can get by without money, but they cant get by without love.

 

[Butterflyyy]

Adam blamed Eve but the Bible teach us that if Adam didn't eat of the fruit and did not agree to what his ladylove did... we just might still have been in the garden today

Maybe this was the first example of the man not being lead by his Head...

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Maybe this was the first example of the man not being lead by his Head...

My opinion is this was the first example of man not being the head of the household

 

[Moses_Young]

In the past 100 years or so, it has become common for women to pursue higher education and find a position in the workforce. In the US, after the shift from an agrarian society to an industrial society, we had a couple of world wars. Especially in WWII, a lot of women worked in factories to make the equipment to send overseas. But after a depression an a war, women were eager to have babies. So we had American housewives. Then there was the feminist movement, and some of the women started looking down on women who stayed home with the family. Staying home and raising children was seen as less valued.

And nowadays, it is common for parents to send both boys and girls off to college. Many men can be fertile up through their senior citizen years. But women are most fertile in their teens and twenties, and tend to hit their time of infertility in their '40's. The biological clock is ticking.

So parents send girls off to college. Then they are expected to establish themselves in their career. Many of them are single at 30, when fertility is starting to wane, and many of them look for a man to marry and to have children. Not all women do this. And men in their 30's can choose among women in their 20's who are not as career-oriented and the women in their 30's. Much of our society in the west is not sexually moral, and many women who seek to marry late have already had many partners, and the same is true of many of the men.

Biologically, human beings are ready to reproduce in their teen years. Our system of institutions and education doesn't really give people much of a chance to support a family at a young age, at least not in the west.

There are advantages to women staying home with the children, especially babies while they are still nursing. The Bible also speaks in favor of women being diligent about the home, raising children, etc.

Some of these social trends are just decades old. Are they good for society? Are they good for us as Christians? Should we as Christians rethink how we educate our children, how we encourage them to marry? Is it better that young people marry young to 'avoid fornication'? In our modern world with a weak marital institution and social acceptance of divorce, those who marry young statistically have a poorer chance at marital success than those who wait. But was likely not the case in previous eras where marriage was more highly respected, and need not be the case if Christians have a strong culture of faithfulness and successful marriage.

Would it be wise to focus more on training girls to be good wives and less on careers? If that is the case, where are the males with the corresponding set of values, training, and resources to marry these young women?

The main issue, as I see it, is taxation. Wicked governments tax families, and give it to those who promote the behaviours the government wants to encourage - single mothers, lesbians, unemployed minorities etc. Women by design want an easy life. When wives see others living better than they, and they can't get such lives because the government is excessively taxing their own husbands, this drives many of these wives to go out and find work. The government makes this process easier, by funding childcare and providing tax concessions for such working women, while taxing evermore the natural families to fund the unnatural. It gets to the point that the natural family cannot survive financially, because the wicked government is taxing them to the point that both parents need to work simply to survive. This leaves the children to be raised by the state, to grow up and be trained as loyal communists.

The solution, as I see it, is to find a way not to pay tax. If the government cannot tax natural families, then it cannot fund unnatural families at the expense of the natural families, and the natural family will stand some chance of financial survival. Obviously, a family's relationship with God plays a big part in its decisions, but the divorce rate among Christians alone shows us that even Christians are not immune to worldly temptations.