The PRAISE and WORSHIP Idols: CCM, The Beatles, and Rome's Ecumenical Agenda

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sigh33n

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the year is 2014 and there are still people listening to CCM and the Beatles and not strictly underwater field recordings of nudibranches and free-verse-bible-reciting elecroacoustic improvisation. after all, that's all we'll be listening to in heaven. not pop, not rock, not metal, but the gravitational pull of the moon because there are no works of darkness in that.
 
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Haha! Glorious post. Well done!
 

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that's all we'll be listening to in heaven. not pop, not rock, not metal, but the gravitational pull of the moon because there are no works of darkness in that.
looking forward to the next single from sunspot #2216

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sigh33n

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looking forward to the next single from sunspot #2216

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I hear it's going to be a scorcher. In the meantime, why don't we enjoy a nice evening of NASA's Symphonies of the Planets while we gloat over the fact that we're not listening to that sinful Christ-praising Black Metal.

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ChosenbyHim

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I watched the video and stand by Brother Brian. Well documented and as he said, "It's in your face."


There was a time when a lot of Christians would have agreed with this and another video back then was "Hell's Bells" - but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
We have no idea now what would qualify to be "Before The Throne".

So sad that 'just music' would bring such division and persecution to Christians like Brian

I was so into the Beatles and they led me to Ravi Shankar and that whole acid tripping generational thing that went on back then. Am I to thank the Beatles or Jim Morrison or Led Zeplin or whomever for where they led me as a middle-teen -- when I was actually seeking for Jesus?

I see these CCM videos and I see no difference in all the secular I did B.C.. I've tried CCM for years after being saved and it gradually fell off of me as I grew to KNOW HIM. To be in actual presence rather than a trumped up stage or state.

Hard message but again, well documented. To me, if you can't see it before The Throne, there's something wrong with it.
If you can see it before The Throne - then there's something wrong with your view of GOD and what goes on in Heaven now.

Tough subject and sorry it causes such anger but it always does - that battle between flesh & spirit will continue until He returns.

God help us.

Thank you ma'am for sharing your experience in the past with the whole CCM movement and music scene. And you basically nailed it when you mentioned that there is no difference between the so called Christian contemporary music and the Secular.


As time passes by; more and more Christian artists look more and more like the world. It is terrible. There is no distinction at all. Pastor Reg Kelly described the Contemporary Christian Music Scene very well when he mentioned the following about it:

"Mingling the Holy with the Unholy. They are mixing the beat of Hell with the words of Heaven in their songs, they take the hands of Esau and mix it with the voice of Jacob, they mix truth with lies, they cloak wickedness with Biblical Righteousness."

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And that is exactly why the CCM movement is so dangerous. It is helping to bring in the One World Religion of Antichrist. And it is helping to usher it in by removing the Doctrinal Barriers. The CCM movement is removing the Distinction between the Holy and the profane. It is getting rid of differences.

It is no wonder that many modern professing Christians these days have so very little discernment if any at all in these matters. It seems that the majority of modern professing Christians have forgotten that the God of the Bible is a Holy God. And that He commands His Children to be Holy.

The fruits of the Contemporary Christian Music scene are absolutely rotten.

Just look up any CCM artist and see if you can tell anything different between how they dress and how the secular artists of the world dress. And you'll notice more and more that the CCM movement is mainly worldly compromise
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ChosenbyHim

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It is a fact that many Christian band members are actually atheists and they are in it just to sell music, I've read several confessions in the news lately. You might want to google that. I am extremely selective as to what music I introduce into my ears, especially because I also create praise music. This video is preaching to the choir for me... as I listen to none of that. Just hoping that this thread doesnt expand into hatred against other believers, or hatred against this and that musical genre and claiming it is "inherently evil".

I also have heard a lot of the artists in the Contemporary Christian Music Scene are atheists. It does not really surprise me, because when you study the lives of these artists, you see no separation from the world at all. You don't see the fruits of repentance in their lives. I have even heard recently that the video producers behind several of these CCM artists' music videos are sodomites.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Wait a minute... I went to look this up, and all the time thought CCM was some organization and find out he is talking about a musical genre.
Is he being serious?
Psalms 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
We are not supposed to sing old things over and over.

You can sing a new song unto the Lord God without bringing in the world's music (i.e. Rock n' Roll, Hip hop, Reggae, Trance, Techno, etc.)
 

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You can sing a new song unto the Lord God without bringing in the world's music (i.e. Rock n' Roll, Hip hop, Reggae, Trance, Techno, etc.)
ChosenbyHim, while I agree there must be a standard in how Christian musicians carry themselves and the good fruits in their life and also as a result of their music, I'd rather judge things by its fruit, and not by mere outward appearance (genre) just because you personally have a repulsion to it.
Also, while I dont listen to hip hop, that hip hop musician if they are honest and write Spirit-filled lyrics, might reach somebody for the glory of God. Hope this makes sense to you.
 
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sigh33n

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You can sing a new song unto the Lord God without bringing in the world's music (i.e. Rock n' Roll, Hip hop, Reggae, Trance, Techno, etc.)
and what genres classify as not belonging to the world?
 

ChosenbyHim

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This is a subjective topic. And there are always those who think their version is the only right one and feel a need to force it on others. Isolating or twisting scripture, quoting people out of context or in ways to support their personal opinions, etc.. In 25 years i've yet to hear a valid argument against any genre of music. If you don't like a certain type of music, or think it's wrong... then don't listen to it. But you are not the final judge and jury on the matter and it is not your place to tell others they are wrong.
Ironically, the people who do this often pride themselves on their spirituality,as if that's any kind of evidence, while the bible says that people whose faith is wobbled or are not able to accept some things as being ok for others but not for themselves are the spiritually weaker ones. Quite the opposite of the naysayers attitude.

As a Bible believing Christian; I can tell another person if what he is doing is wrong. Why? Because I have a Perfect Final Authority. It is the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

And other Christians by the word of God can also judge if I am doing something wrong.

This issue is not an issue concerning people's opinions and preferences. It is an issue of what music truly honours the Lord Jesus Christ.

Music is not neutral. Don't think this is the case? Well then check into the Research that has been done which has thoroughly shown that music does effect a person in a subtle way. Music has been used to lower blood pressure and to treat a mental illness, insomnia, and depression. Concerning a case study of the powerful effects of music on Plan Life; It was shown that rock n' roll music when played with plants set next to the speakers; had a tendancy to kill the plants. While Classical music caused the plants to grow twice as fast; hence, the classical music helped to improve the life and growth of the plants, while the rock music destroyed the life and vitality of the plants.

Here are some more of the details about discoveries which the researchers found in this unique study on the effects which music has on the life of plants. Excerpt and information taken from brother Terry Watkins website (Av1611.org):


Rock music can literally kill.

The view that music is amoral or neutral with no inherent power to effect is completely proven false by extensive research performed on plant life. Rock music, with it's hard driving beat, played to plants will kill the plants - while soothing classical music causes the plants to grow twice as fast.

"Paradoxical as it may seem, music's effect upon the more primitive vegetable kingdom is one of the most convincing methods of all for proving that music does affect life, including human life. For experiments conducted with humans, and even, to some extent, with animals, have the extra factor of the mind to contend with. This means that while men or animals may be demonstrated to have been affected by tones, the effect may not have been a direct or objective one. Rather, the effect upon the body may have been caused by the mind's subjective reaction to the music heard. In the case of plant-music research, however, psychological factors cannot really be said to be present. If music can be shown to affect plants, then such effects have to be due to the objective influence of the tones directly upon the cells and processes of the life-form."


"An intensive series of studies carried out by Dorothy Retallack of Denver, Colorado, demonstrated the effects of different kinds of music on a variety of household plants. The experiments were controlled under strict scientific conditions, and the plants were kept within large closed cabinets on wheels in which light, temperature and air were automatically regulated. Three hours a day of acid rock, played through a loudspeaker at the side of the cabinet, was found to stunt and damage squash plants, philodendrons and corn in under four weeks. Mrs Retallack played the music of the two different Denver radio stations to two groups of petunias. The radio stations were KIMN (a rock station) and KLIR (a semiclassical station). The Denver Post reported:


`The petunias listening to KIMN refused to bloom. Those on KLIR developed six beautiful blooms. By the end of the second week, the KIMN petunias were LEANING AWAY from the radio and showing very erratic growth. The petunia blooms hearing KLIR were all leaning TOWARD THE SOUND. Within a month all plants exposed to rock music DIED.

In another experiment, conducted over three weeks, Dorothy Retallack played the music of Led Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge to one group of beans, squash (marrow), corn, morning glory and coleus; she also played contemporary avant-garde atonal music to a second group; and, as a control, played nothing to a third group. Within ten days, the plants exposed to Led Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge were all LEANING AWAY FROM THE SPEAKER. After three weeks they were stunted and DYING. The beans exposed to the 'new music' leaned 15 degrees from the speaker and were found to have middle-sized roots. The plants left in silence had the longest roots and grew the highest. Further, it was discovered that plants to which placid, devotional music was played not only grew two inches taller than plants left in silence, but also leaned TOWARDS THE SPEAKER. (Tame, David The Secret Power of Music, p. 142 - 144)

All the plants that were next to the rock music - LEANED AWAY FROM THE SPEAKERS - trying to get away from the music! And to show that it was not just the noise itself - the plants next to the classical music - LEANED TOWARD THE SPEAKERS - actually trying to get closer to the music.


In the end - ALL the plants next to the rock music - DIED!

[HR][/HR]

The Bible tells us that there would be a falling away in the last days. And the very fact that many church assemblies have brought in worldly music such as hellish rock and roll, and hip hop into the sanctuaries is further evidence of the apostasy and falling away that has taken place in these end times.
 

SoulWeaver

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ChosenbyHim, with all due respect, this research does not tell us anything about Christian contemporary music & its effects on people. Also, I would really to see like the full source of this research and read this for myself. Not that I dont believe you, simply I'm interested and if you claim something that big, I believe it is due to provide the source (I mean in a form of link with all data, in detail when was it conducted, etc)
 
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ChristIsGod

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Thank you ma'am for sharing your experience in the past with the whole CCM movement and music scene. And you basically nailed it when you mentioned that there is no difference between the so called Christian contemporary music and the Secular.


As time passes by; more and more Christian artists look more and more like the world. It is terrible. There is no distinction at all. Pastor Reg Kelly described the Contemporary Christian Music Scene very well when he mentioned the following about it:

"Mingling the Holy with the Unholy. They are mixing the beat of Hell with the words of Heaven in their songs, they take the hands of Esau and mix it with the voice of Jacob, they mix truth with lies, they cloak wickedness with Biblical Righteousness."

[HR][/HR]
And that is exactly why the CCM movement is so dangerous. It is helping to bring in the One World Religion of Antichrist. And it is helping to usher it in by removing the Doctrinal Barriers. The CCM movement is removing the Distinction between the Holy and the profane. It is getting rid of differences.

It is no wonder that many modern professing Christians these days have so very little discernment if any at all in these matters. It seems that the majority of modern professing Christians have forgotten that the God of the Bible is a Holy God. And that He commands His Children to be Holy.

The fruits of the Contemporary Christian Music scene are absolutely rotten.

Just look up any CCM artist and see if you can tell anything different between how they dress and how the secular artists of the world dress. And you'll notice more and more that the CCM movement is mainly worldly compromise
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About 30 yrs ago, a Pastor was on a jet coming home from a mission field and sat next to a guy that he got into a conversation with ... I heard this from the Pastor.
As the conversation progressed this guy started talking about plans to infiltrate Christian music and using it to chip at the Church, piece by piece. Not just in style of music but subliminally and he was very proud to be a part of that movement.
He was boasting to this pastor with a goolish grin that he was some big guy in the music Industry and proved it. So infiltration not only goes on in politics, the church but also in 'music'.
It would be sort of naive to think that Satan doesn't have his hand in some music and that not all that are in the Christian music industry are saved or have 'good intentions'.
I've found that most people are not aware of subliminals or when something is catering to flesh rather than spirit by what they tell me that they watch on TV [or about TV] and the type of 'music' that they listen goes beyond just flesh & blood.

So very sadden that this topic always brings out such anger that even borders on hatred.

If you don't like what I came on here just now to post - a song by Selah - that wouldn't bother me in the least. But such warfare between Saints over this topic is mind boggling.

I heard that report on secular radio about 'plants & music' when I was young in The Lord and other ways that music was tested on nature ... it was an actual science program - a scientific research project.

Well, whatever floats your boat but I do care but can't change a thing - we're each to work out our own salvation with fear & trembling and be Led by HIS Spirit - The Spirit of God & Christ & Truth and each accountable before Him Alone.
We just need to understand that we aren't fighting flesh & blood but principalities and powers that are wiser than us and without seeking The Lord with all of our hearts, minds and strength, we're no competition against deception and counterfeit spirits. We need to constantly be praying to not be deceived in the days ahead and not just assume that we're protected from what's yet to come. Jesus said, "be not deceived" far to many times for to be taken lightly. The technology that's in operation today through internet, TV, psych-op audio & visual technology and so forth are undetectable by our own 5 senses but are very effective nonetheless - so that's why we really need to stay in prayer and let Him lead us to learn of these technologies and the motive behind the infiltration of our entertainment industry.

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.

Luke 16:8 .. for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
 

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As a Bible believing Christian; I can tell another person if what he is doing is wrong. Why? Because I have a Perfect Final Authority. It is the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

And other Christians by the word of God can also judge if I am doing something wrong.

This issue is not an issue concerning people's opinions and preferences. It is an issue of what music truly honours the Lord Jesus Christ.

Music is not neutral. Don't think this is the case? Well then check into the Research that has been done which has thoroughly shown that music does effect a person in a subtle way. Music has been used to lower blood pressure and to treat a mental illness, insomnia, and depression. Concerning a case study of the powerful effects of music on Plan Life; It was shown that rock n' roll music when played with plants set next to the speakers; had a tendancy to kill the plants. While Classical music caused the plants to grow twice as fast; hence, the classical music helped to improve the life and growth of the plants, while the rock music destroyed the life and vitality of the plants.

Here are some more of the details about discoveries which the researchers found in this unique study on the effects which music has on the life of plants. Excerpt and information taken from brother Terry Watkins website (Av1611.org):


Rock music can literally kill.

The view that music is amoral or neutral with no inherent power to effect is completely proven false by extensive research performed on plant life. Rock music, with it's hard driving beat, played to plants will kill the plants - while soothing classical music causes the plants to grow twice as fast.

"Paradoxical as it may seem, music's effect upon the more primitive vegetable kingdom is one of the most convincing methods of all for proving that music does affect life, including human life. For experiments conducted with humans, and even, to some extent, with animals, have the extra factor of the mind to contend with. This means that while men or animals may be demonstrated to have been affected by tones, the effect may not have been a direct or objective one. Rather, the effect upon the body may have been caused by the mind's subjective reaction to the music heard. In the case of plant-music research, however, psychological factors cannot really be said to be present. If music can be shown to affect plants, then such effects have to be due to the objective influence of the tones directly upon the cells and processes of the life-form."


"An intensive series of studies carried out by Dorothy Retallack of Denver, Colorado, demonstrated the effects of different kinds of music on a variety of household plants. The experiments were controlled under strict scientific conditions, and the plants were kept within large closed cabinets on wheels in which light, temperature and air were automatically regulated. Three hours a day of acid rock, played through a loudspeaker at the side of the cabinet, was found to stunt and damage squash plants, philodendrons and corn in under four weeks. Mrs Retallack played the music of the two different Denver radio stations to two groups of petunias. The radio stations were KIMN (a rock station) and KLIR (a semiclassical station). The Denver Post reported:


`The petunias listening to KIMN refused to bloom. Those on KLIR developed six beautiful blooms. By the end of the second week, the KIMN petunias were LEANING AWAY from the radio and showing very erratic growth. The petunia blooms hearing KLIR were all leaning TOWARD THE SOUND. Within a month all plants exposed to rock music DIED.

In another experiment, conducted over three weeks, Dorothy Retallack played the music of Led Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge to one group of beans, squash (marrow), corn, morning glory and coleus; she also played contemporary avant-garde atonal music to a second group; and, as a control, played nothing to a third group. Within ten days, the plants exposed to Led Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge were all LEANING AWAY FROM THE SPEAKER. After three weeks they were stunted and DYING. The beans exposed to the 'new music' leaned 15 degrees from the speaker and were found to have middle-sized roots. The plants left in silence had the longest roots and grew the highest. Further, it was discovered that plants to which placid, devotional music was played not only grew two inches taller than plants left in silence, but also leaned TOWARDS THE SPEAKER. (Tame, David The Secret Power of Music, p. 142 - 144)

All the plants that were next to the rock music - LEANED AWAY FROM THE SPEAKERS - trying to get away from the music! And to show that it was not just the noise itself - the plants next to the classical music - LEANED TOWARD THE SPEAKERS - actually trying to get closer to the music.


In the end - ALL the plants next to the rock music - DIED!

[HR][/HR]

The Bible tells us that there would be a falling away in the last days. And the very fact that many church assemblies have brought in worldly music such as hellish rock and roll, and hip hop into the sanctuaries is further evidence of the apostasy and falling away that has taken place in these end times.
good thing im not a stupid plant
 

ChosenbyHim

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good thing im not a stupid plant
What you are is a proud and rebellious guy who despises the truth. That is why when ever someone shows you the truth about this issue, you cannot endure it. As a matter of fact, you probably get close to having a conniption fit.
 

posthuman

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ChosenbyHim, with all due respect, this research does not tell us anything about Christian contemporary music & its effects on people. Also, I would really to see like the full source of this research and read this for myself. Not that I dont believe you, simply I'm interested and if you claim something that big, I believe it is due to provide the source (I mean in a form of link with all data, in detail when was it conducted, etc)

he's referencing a book published in 1973 that wasn't a very scientific approach to studying plants & sound in the first place (only 4 replications involved, total). it's called "The Sound of Music and Plants" by Dorothy Retallack. it was a project she did in order to finish a music degree, and was published by a New-Age book seller, never in any scientific journal. she included absolutely no statistical study and didn't follow established scientific methods. the only 'Christian' musician she played was Bach, and in fact the small number of plants she actually experimented with in poorly controlled conditions didn't like it as much as secular classical string music. at a guess the plants were averse to percussive sounds in general, and preferred string music.

here's a free .pdf of the book from the Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/details/soundofmusicplan00reta

here's a small critique of it:
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda chalker-scott/horticultural myths_files/Myths/Bad science.pdf

here's a more scientific study, more recent, that finds plants like traffic noise almost as much as violin music:
http://pelagiaresearchlibrary.com/asian-journal-of-plant-science/vol3-iss4/AJPSR-2013-3-4-28-30.pdf

last year a TV gardener in England did an experiment of his own and found that a greenhouse full of plants subjected to Black Sabbath (1970's pagan rock music) were shorter, but had healthier, bigger flowers and better resistance to pests & disease when compared to a group that was played classical music.
A blast of Black Sabbath makes plants bloom, says radio gardener | Life and style | The Guardian
 

SoulWeaver

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he's referencing a book published in 1973 that wasn't a very scientific approach to studying plants & sound in the first place (only 4 replications involved, total). it's called "The Sound of Music and Plants" by Dorothy Retallack. it was a project she did in order to finish a music degree, and was published by a New-Age book seller, never in any scientific journal. she included absolutely no statistical study and didn't follow established scientific methods. the only 'Christian' musician she played was Bach, and in fact the small number of plants she actually experimented with in poorly controlled conditions didn't like it as much as secular classical string music. at a guess the plants were averse to percussive sounds in general, and preferred string music.

here's a free .pdf of the book from the Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/details/soundofmusicplan00reta

here's a small critique of it:
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda%20chalker-scott/horticultural%20myths_files/Myths/Bad%20science.pdf

here's a more scientific study, more recent, that finds plants like traffic noise almost as much as violin music:
http://pelagiaresearchlibrary.com/asian-journal-of-plant-science/vol3-iss4/AJPSR-2013-3-4-28-30.pdf

last year a TV gardener in England did an experiment of his own and found that a greenhouse full of plants subjected to Black Sabbath (1970's pagan rock music) were shorter, but had healthier, bigger flowers and better resistance to pests & disease when compared to a group that was played classical music.
A blast of Black Sabbath makes plants bloom, says radio gardener | Life and style | The Guardian
Thanks for the info... although this last sounds really weird.
 

Nautilus

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What you are is a proud and rebellious guy who despises the truth. That is why when ever someone shows you the truth about this issue, you cannot endure it. As a matter of fact, you probably get close to having a conniption fit.

NOt even close. Im just not going to sit idly by while try to thrust your legalism on people around here. All these videos come from your fellow kjv-only cultists and nobody here needs to get sucked into that.