10 Charts That New College Graduates Are Going To Hate

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[h=1]10 Charts That New College Graduates Are Going To Hate[/h]
Congratulations, Class of 2014!

Unfortunately, you are graduating into one of the hardest moments ever for young workers. Here's a rundown of where you are and of some of the challenges ahead of you.

[h=2]First of all, you just paid more for your degree than anyone other class in history.[/h] College has been getting more expensive. Here's a chart, based on data from the College Board, showing how tuition and fees, in inflation-adjusted 2013 dollars, have dramatically increased over the last decade:
Business Insider/Andy Kiersz, data from The College Board



For the 2003-04 academic year, these costs were $5,900 for a year, and in the 2013-14 year, they were $8,893. This represents about a 51% total increase over that decade, or an average annual real growth rate of about 4.2%.
[h=2]This means you have massive student debt.[/h] As a result of rising tuition, student loans have been growing dramatically as well, as can be seen in this chart from a 2013 New York Federal Reserve presentation on student debt:
New York Fed



Many young adults have trouble paying back this debt.
[h=2]And because of all this debt, student loan delinquencies are on the rise.[/h]
FRBNY Consumer Credit Panel/Equifax



[h=2]All this debt is going to hurt your credit score.[/h] In recent years, 25- and 30-year-olds with no student debt have had much higher credit scores than their peers who do have debt, as this chart from the New York Fed's Liberty Street Economics blog shows:
New York Fed


[h=2]Oh, and the job market is still ugly.[/h] How are college graduates doing in the job market? A recent study by the liberal think tank Economic Policy Institute takes a look at labor market conditions for young people and recent college graduates.
Disregarding education levels, young workers have historically had higher unemployment than workers as a whole, regardless of the overall state of the economy. That means that the overall weak labor market of recent years has hit young adults especially hard:
Economic Policy Institute


Over the last 45 years, workers under 25 have had about double the unemployment rate of all workers.
The unemployment rate just captures people who are actively looking for work. It is also worth looking at discouraged or missing workers: people who want a job, but have given up looking because they believe there are no jobs out there for them.
[h=2]Since the 2007 recession, the number of young discouraged workers has exploded.[/h] This chart compares youth unemployment to unemployment with the discouraged workers added in:
Economic Policy Institute


While young adult unemployment and the number of discouraged young workers have been improving, it's been a very slow process.
[h=2]And just because you have a degree, it doesn't mean you're going to have an easy time finding a job.[/h] While young college graduates have a lower unemployment rate than all young people, the labor market situation has gotten worse for them over the last few years:
Economic Policy Institute


In addition to higher levels of unemployment than those seen in the past, young college grads face higher levels of underemployment, a measure combining unemployed workers, discouraged workers who have given up looking for work, and people who have part-time jobs but want full-time work and can't find it.
[h=2]And if you do get a job, the wages are terrible.[/h] Young workers who do get a job have seen stagnant wages in the 2000s, and a decline since the recession:
Economic Policy Institute


[h=2]And your degree might have been a waste. A lot of grads are taking jobs that didn't require them to have that degree.[/h] College graduates who do find work are frequently taking jobs where they aren't using their degrees. The New York Federal Reserve published another study analyzing what kinds of jobs are taken by recent college graduates. They defined underemployment as having at least a bachelor's degree, but being in a job that may not require a four-year degree.
The authors of the study found that, while it's somewhat normal for recent graduates to take a few years to fully enter the job market, the rate of recent college graduates with non-degree-requiring jobs is higher in recent years than in the 1990 or 2000:
New York Federal Reserve


[h=2]Bottom line: With lots of debt, and few good jobs, lots of graduates are just staying at home.[/h] As a result of all this labor market strife and uncertainty, young people are more likely to move back home in their early to mid 20s. We recently posted this chart from John Burns Real Estate Consulting showing the share of households with at least one child living at home in their late 20s or early 30s has risen in the aftermath of the recession:
John Burns Real Estate Consulting
 
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So? What? None of us knew that the world is on the edge of an economic collapse that hasn't been seen since the fall of Rome? It's time for the Christian churches to stand up. They will be the only thing that will save us from utter ruin.
 
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LOL tell me about it...I'm a graduate. Our class grew up with the mindset of being promised a job if we got a degree because that's what all the school counselors told us. Seriously, they all need fired. Master's degrees and people with experience are where it's at now. What people need to do is do research in jobs that are in demand. Social Services jobs are hugely on the rise along with computer technical skills. Those are just to name a few. Dont just major in something that you are interested in. Get your degree in a field that will help you survive! Now, science and mathematics skills are in demand. I would like to have my Master's in Social Services...but right now, with the economics in the tanker, I dont think that's going to happen unless I put faith in God and He provides the way.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Don't forget these two:






I'll assume you're a college graduate and you know what this means: Massive increase in supply of labor + massive decrease in number of available jobs. Good luck with paying off your ever increasing student loan debt moving forward because you're going to need it.
 
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i'm 75 and in china. i see a lot of young americans (and europeans as well) here and in southeast asia teaching english because they couldnt find work at home. most of these people have undergraduate degrees and a few have masters. some of them manage to pick up enough of the local language to eventually get work with western companies. there are websites that place teachers in universities as well. i was 64 when i came to china. i came to teach at a small university in the far northwest and the 2 years in tianshui are among the most memorable in a long life. the pay isnt much, maybe 6 or 700 usd a month but you have an apartment with a kitchen. i dont think it was a month before i had students coming to my apartment to cook. seriously, it may seem like a totally mad thing to consider but the world is a lot smaller now than it once was. it you want any more information feel free to im me. i have a lot of china pictures here and on http://rongillis:weebly.com.
 

Nautilus

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Don't forget these two:






I'll assume you're a college graduate and you know what this means: Massive increase in supply of labor + massive decrease in number of available jobs. Good luck with paying off your ever increasing student loan debt moving forward because you're going to need it.
This implies college graduates want to waste all the time and money spent on education doing manufacturing work
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Yes well...

US_employment_1995-2012.png

Manufacturing jobs were plentiful in the U.S. before "free" trade and they paid well right up to the Great Recession:

Manufacturing jobs used to pay really well. Not anymore. - The Washington Post

Meaning it was self-defeating to offshore them and then destroy what value most of the remaining ones had left to the American worker (or prospective American worker) from even those.

But even after all that negation of manufacturing from and in the U.S., it's remarkable that about nine percent of the U.S. workforce are still employed directly in U.S. manufacturing in 2014 (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics (2014), with estimate of total employment supported by manufacturing calculated by NAM using data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (2012).

Between 1950-1980, the labor force expanded in the U.S. by more than 44 million people which is 72% with more than half of that rapid expansion occurring in the 1970s! You should see the labor force participation rate for 1975! Holy cow Batman!

Look at it now... pitiful... just like the wages paid. Tragic.

Half Of Recent College Grads Still Relying On Money From Parents, Study Finds

Half of the American labor market lives paycheck to paycheck today.

Nearly Half of America Lives Paycheck-to-Paycheck - TIME

No more single income household with the house paid off by retirement and a generous pension after working at the same company for thirty years with a high school diploma or less. DOA.

Now think before you reply Nautilus. Think before you pet the kitty.




This implies college graduates want to waste all the time and money spent on education doing manufacturing work
 
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Nautilus

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youre still focusing on a job sector that most likely isnt the intent of college graduates which was the OPs target audience. Why would college graduates settle for a field that only required a high school education or worse?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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No I am not. I've been focusing on the decline of good paying jobs and real wages and the increasing supply of labor. The manufacturing segment is one of the tragic chapters of that story. So there's both a macro and micro thread to my posts in this thread.

And a good number of those college graduates are making so little money their parents have to help them out despite them working simply to make it while their grandfather could raise a family, pay off a house, and retire on a nice pension all with a high school diploma on a single income.

Comprehendo?


youre still focusing on a job sector that most likely isnt the intent of college graduates which was the OPs target audience. Why would college graduates settle for a field that only required a high school education or worse?
 
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The market doesn't favor college grads because apparently we're too expensive to pay for lol...it favors those with high school degrees if that. You're more likely to get a job if you drop out of high school vs. completing. Being overqualified for a job does exist these days now. It may not have a few decades ago. But that was because there weren't as many college grads as there are today. A bachelor degree today is the equivalent of a high school degree now. It means nothing. Just to be barely considered for a job, it is recommended to have a MAster's degree. But even then, it doesn't guarantee a job. Now, the market values experience. But because college grads lack 2-3 years of experience which is what employers are asking for, it leaves us swimming in circles.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Here's a fresh chart:



"Student debt burdens are weighing on the economic fortunes of younger Americans, as households headed by young adults owing student debt lag far behind their peers in terms of wealth accumulation, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of government data. About four-in-ten U.S. households (37%) headed by an adult younger than 40 currently have some student debt—the highest share on record, with the median outstanding student debt load standing at about $13,ooo."

Young Adults, Student Debt and Economic Well-Being | Pew Research Center’s Social & Demographic Trends Project
 

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This is the first time in American history where the standards of living for the younger generation are lower than the previous generation. My grandfather only had a high school degree and yet the manufacturing job that he worked at for over 30 years helped my mom's family to live with far more comfort and stability than many college graduates could ever hope for today. He retired comfortably with a nice pension and him and grandma (who had been a stay at home mom) bought an even nicer house and enjoyed a very free and easy retirement. I doubt the younger generations will have it that easy when they retire.
 
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And not only that but if you get a college degree, on average, you're poorer afterwards today. That never existed before either in the U.S..


This is the first time in American history where the standards of living for the younger generation are lower than the previous generation. My grandfather only had a high school degree and yet the manufacturing job that he worked at for over 30 years helped my mom's family to live with far more comfort and stability than many college graduates could ever hope for today. He retired comfortably with a nice pension and him and grandma (who had been a stay at home mom) bought an even nicer house and enjoyed a very free and easy retirement. I doubt the younger generations will have it that easy when they retire.
 
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This is the first time in American history where the standards of living for the younger generation are lower than the previous generation. My grandfather only had a high school degree and yet the manufacturing job that he worked at for over 30 years helped my mom's family to live with far more comfort and stability than many college graduates could ever hope for today. He retired comfortably with a nice pension and him and grandma (who had been a stay at home mom) bought an even nicer house and enjoyed a very free and easy retirement. I doubt the younger generations will have it that easy when they retire.
the younger gen will know no such thing as retirement.. it will be work until you are not useful and die.
 
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This is the first time in American history where the standards of living for the younger generation are lower than the previous generation. My grandfather only had a high school degree and yet the manufacturing job that he worked at for over 30 years helped my mom's family to live with far more comfort and stability than many college graduates could ever hope for today. He retired comfortably with a nice pension and him and grandma (who had been a stay at home mom) bought an even nicer house and enjoyed a very free and easy retirement. I doubt the younger generations will have it that easy when they retire.
but whenever any of us actually -points this out- someone from the baby boomer generation inevitably calls us 'spoiled'...
 
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10 Charts That New College Graduates Are Going To Hate


Congratulations, Class of 2014!

Unfortunately, you are graduating into one of the hardest moments ever for young workers. Here's a rundown of where you are and of some of the challenges ahead of you.

First of all, you just paid more for your degree than anyone other class in history.

College has been getting more expensive. Here's a chart, based on data from the College Board, showing how tuition and fees, in inflation-adjusted 2013 dollars, have dramatically increased over the last decade:
Business Insider/Andy Kiersz, data from The College Board



For the 2003-04 academic year, these costs were $5,900 for a year, and in the 2013-14 year, they were $8,893. This represents about a 51% total increase over that decade, or an average annual real growth rate of about 4.2%.
This means you have massive student debt.

As a result of rising tuition, student loans have been growing dramatically as well, as can be seen in this chart from a 2013 New York Federal Reserve presentation on student debt:
New York Fed



Many young adults have trouble paying back this debt.
And because of all this debt, student loan delinquencies are on the rise.

FRBNY Consumer Credit Panel/Equifax



All this debt is going to hurt your credit score.

In recent years, 25- and 30-year-olds with no student debt have had much higher credit scores than their peers who do have debt, as this chart from the New York Fed's Liberty Street Economics blog shows:
New York Fed


Oh, and the job market is still ugly.

How are college graduates doing in the job market? A recent study by the liberal think tank Economic Policy Institute takes a look at labor market conditions for young people and recent college graduates.
Disregarding education levels, young workers have historically had higher unemployment than workers as a whole, regardless of the overall state of the economy. That means that the overall weak labor market of recent years has hit young adults especially hard:
Economic Policy Institute


Over the last 45 years, workers under 25 have had about double the unemployment rate of all workers.
The unemployment rate just captures people who are actively looking for work. It is also worth looking at discouraged or missing workers: people who want a job, but have given up looking because they believe there are no jobs out there for them.
Since the 2007 recession, the number of young discouraged workers has exploded.

This chart compares youth unemployment to unemployment with the discouraged workers added in:
Economic Policy Institute


While young adult unemployment and the number of discouraged young workers have been improving, it's been a very slow process.
And just because you have a degree, it doesn't mean you're going to have an easy time finding a job.

While young college graduates have a lower unemployment rate than all young people, the labor market situation has gotten worse for them over the last few years:
Economic Policy Institute


In addition to higher levels of unemployment than those seen in the past, young college grads face higher levels of underemployment, a measure combining unemployed workers, discouraged workers who have given up looking for work, and people who have part-time jobs but want full-time work and can't find it.
And if you do get a job, the wages are terrible.

Young workers who do get a job have seen stagnant wages in the 2000s, and a decline since the recession:
Economic Policy Institute


And your degree might have been a waste. A lot of grads are taking jobs that didn't require them to have that degree.

College graduates who do find work are frequently taking jobs where they aren't using their degrees. The New York Federal Reserve published another study analyzing what kinds of jobs are taken by recent college graduates. They defined underemployment as having at least a bachelor's degree, but being in a job that may not require a four-year degree.
The authors of the study found that, while it's somewhat normal for recent graduates to take a few years to fully enter the job market, the rate of recent college graduates with non-degree-requiring jobs is higher in recent years than in the 1990 or 2000:
New York Federal Reserve


Bottom line: With lots of debt, and few good jobs, lots of graduates are just staying at home.

As a result of all this labor market strife and uncertainty, young people are more likely to move back home in their early to mid 20s. We recently posted this chart from John Burns Real Estate Consulting showing the share of households with at least one child living at home in their late 20s or early 30s has risen in the aftermath of the recession:
John Burns Real Estate Consulting
My degree in the UK is costing £9,000 per year. That's $15,312 per year at today's exchange rate. However the Uk gov't loans the money and doesn't expect any payments unless a graduate earns over £21,000 per year. And even then only 5% of anything above that £21k is repayable, and the loan is annulled after 25 years from the point of graduation.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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If this is true, and I haven't checked, then I like your government's student loan terms. :)

My degree in the UK is costing £9,000 per year. That's $15,312 per year at today's exchange rate. However the Uk gov't loans the money and doesn't expect any payments unless a graduate earns over £21,000 per year. And even then only 5% of anything above that £21k is repayable, and the loan is annulled after 25 years from the point of graduation.
 
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See, the older generations don't want to accept the fact they grew up in a totally easier economic situation than we have. You guys sold us the premise that we would be practically guaranteed a job if we go to school. If/When I have kids, I'm definitely going to encourage them to try to work first before they go to school. Today, all a degree helps with is job promotions to the higher levels. Now, it has nothing to do with an easier time for job hunting.