China’s New Gold-Backed Oil: a major blow to the petrodollar

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China will soon introduce a crude oil futures contract denominated in yuan
and convertible into gold, the Nikkei Asian Review reported on September 1.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Com...world-order-with-oil-benchmark-backed-by-gold

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Analysts say that since China is the world’s largest oil importer, the move
could deal a major blow to the global influence of the United States dollar.

The contract would allow oil exporting nations such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela
to conduct sales in yuan, instead of in U.S. dollars, and to then change the yuan
into gold on both the Hong Kong and Shanghai exchanges. This would also allow
these countries that often fall afoul of American foreign policy to circumvent dollar
-based U.S. sanctions.

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The Chinese government has been developing the gold-backed futures contract
for years, and Oilprice.com reports that it is expected to launch this year.

China Readies Yuan-Priced Crude Oil Benchmark Backed By Gold
China Readies Yuan-Priced Crude Oil Benchmark Backed By Gold | OilPrice.com

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It will be China’s first commodities futures contract available to foreign entities,
and analysts expect many oil-exporting nations and firms to find it appealing.

Leaders of oil exporting nations, such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela, have often
expressed desire to bypass the U.S. dollar.But avoiding the greenback has proved
challenging, largely due to the size of America’s economy, the dominance of U.S.
markets, and the momentum of time-honored global finance practices.

As much as these nations would like to see the curtain close on the U.S.-dominated
economic order, the Chinese yuan and other currencies have not garnered enough
international confidence to be viewed as trustworthy alternatives.

But since China’s new futures contract makes the yuan fully convertible into gold,
such misgivings would be allayed.“It’s a transfer of holding their assets in black liquid
to yellow metal,” said Grant Williams, a finance expert who advises Vulpes Investment
Management. “It’s a strategic move swapping oil for gold, rather than for U.S.
Treasuries, which can be printed out of thin air.”

Alasdair Macleod of Goldmoney told Nikkei that the gold conversion option would
“appeal to oil producers that prefer to avoid using dollars and are not ready to accept
that being paid in yuan for oil sales to China is a good idea either.”

The Asia Times said, “The new triad of oil, yuan and gold is actually a win-win-win” for
China and the oil-exporting nations. “No problem at all if energy providers prefer to be
paid in physical gold instead of yuan. The key message is the U.S. dollar being bypassed.”

This bypassing of the U.S. dollar (usd) would be a win for China and many oil exporters,
but for the American economy, it could represent a catastrophic loss.
 

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“petrodollars”

Since 1973, the nations of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (opec)
have priced, quoted, traded and settled oil sales in U.S. dollars, known as “petrodollars.”

The widespread conversion of these petrodollars into U.S. Treasuries has been a vital
artery in the American economy and helped to finance the nation’s vast deficit expend-
iture. Now the Chinese contract is poised to clog that artery, or possibly even sever it.

“In addition to reducing a major source of funding for the U.S. government’s enormous
deficit spending,wrote Investment Research Dynamics,“the introduction of a gold-backed
yuan oil futures contract is an important step toward removing the dollar as the world’s
reserve currency. More significantly,it reintroduces gold into the global monetary system.”

After such a reintroduction of the precious metal into the world system, the anemia of
America’s fiat currency would contrast starkly with the ruddy currencies of healthier
economies. This could lead to the rapid removal of the usd’s global res. currency status.
 

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Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil company-Aramco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco

From 2002 to 2016, Saudi Arabia was China’s top supplier of imported crude oil.
Although Russia overtook the Saudis last year, they remain a close second.

In March 2017, Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz traveled to Beijing, and reports
emerged that China would become the main investor in the forthcoming initial public
offering of Aramco, Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil firm.

Aramco will be by far the highest-valued company on the planet,
and China is set to buy a substantial share of it.

It would erode not just the power of the American dollar and petrodollar,
but also the very foundations of the U.S.-Saudi Arabia relationship.

China gathers state-led consortium for Aramco float, say sources
China gathers state-led consortium for Aramco float, say sources | South China Morning Post

Whether the Saudis sign up for the Chinese futures contract or not, the development of
black liquid to yellow metal is expected to be a game changer for the global oil industry.

Investment Research Dynamics said China’s new contract “is a significant step in
removing the global reserve currency status of the dollar and resetting the global
economic and geopolitical ‘landscape.’”

James Corbett, founder of the Corbett Report, called the development “earthshaking”
and said it is “ominous for what it portends for the near future.”
https://www.corbettreport.com/category/videos/

Corbett said: “If this really is the shot across the bow, then those kinds of shots can
turn into real shots very quickly. … Over the course of the next year, I think we are
going to be seeing some pretty tectonic shifts taking place monetarily, geopolitically
and, as a result, potentially militarily. And that could kick off any day presumably.”

If China’s new oil futures contract succeeds in pushing oil-exporting nations away
from the dollar and toward the gold-backed yuan option—as numerous experts
believe it is certain to do—this development will precipitate the dollar’s demise.
 
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So the saudis are going to start making their oil futures contracts with china... fine. Knock yourselves out! The US will still be the 3rd largest oil producer, and much more than the sale of oil futures contracts are responsible for the value of the dollar.... I don't even think oil futures contracts are a significant contributor to the dollar's value. Its value is based on foreign exchange rates, treasury bonds, national debt, the strength of its economy and the federal reserve's interest rate.
 
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Simply put.

Since the price of gold fluctuates as economies expand or contract, it is actually no more than paper when it comes to currency.
 

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Simply put.

Since the price of gold fluctuates as economies expand or contract, it is actually no more than paper when it comes to currency.

The price of gold fluctuates, but the buying power remains relatively constant. I remember reading an article a few years back that showed what an ounce of gold would purchase (goods and services) back in the late 1800's and what it would purchase currently (goods and services) and it is pretty close to the same.

As the price of gold has climbed over the years, the value of the dollar has gone down at a similar rate.
 

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The price of gold fluctuates, but the buying power remains relatively constant. I remember reading an article a few years back that showed what an ounce of gold would purchase (goods and services) back in the late 1800's and what it would purchase currently (goods and services) and it is pretty close to the same.

As the price of gold has climbed over the years, the value of the dollar has gone down at a similar rate.
The buying power remains close to the same as paper. I see no advantage to using gold as currency.

Investing is a different story. Gold values seem to peak when paper values bottom. Trading between the two can be profitable. More often than not, it's a wash.
 

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So the saudis are going to start making their oil futures contracts with china... fine.

There is 2 issues in this thread, first there was the issue
of Chinas new oil for gold , that would bypass the petrodollar.


How Petrodollars Affect The U.S. Dollar
How Petrodollars Affect The U.S. Dollar | Investopedia

How Does the Petrodollar System Work?

How the petrodollar system works (simply): if a country wants to buy oil/petrol
from a major petrol-producing nation (e.g.: OPEC countries), then the buyer
nation has to purchase US dollars which with it will be able to obtain the oil.

The petrodollar system was literally forcing buyers to acquire US dollars in order
to buy oil. In order for (let's say) Poland to buy oil from Saudi Arabia, Poland
would have to buy US dollars first in order to pay for the oil.
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so every transaction using petrodollars, American gets a piece of the pie.
a major source of funding for the U.S. government, now that would all change.
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the other issue was the Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil company-Aramco,
soon going puplic, and China planning on being the main investor .

currently ever barrel Saudis sell, America gets there share, a small piece but
this to will change, also this could ruin the U.S.-Saudi Arabia relationship.

so the most valuable company in the world starts selling oil in yuan or
into gold, and bypassing the petrodollar, you don"t see a problem ?
 
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bottom line here, 'we OWE' china debts that we can NEVER REPAY! the $ is worthless,
nothing to 'back it up with'...we've allowed ourselves to be shang-hyed!!! because of 'GREED'...
sold our souls to another company's stores'...

another bottom line here, we have many 'billionaires' living here in our country, just
sitting back and 'watching'...'Love thy neighbor as thyself'?, has gone to the 'out-house'...
 

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Deuteronomy 15:6 (KJV)
For the Lord thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto
many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations,
but they shall not reign over thee.

Deuteronomy 28:12 (KJV)
The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto
thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend
unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

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Proverbs 22:7 (KJV)
The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
 

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It begines:Venezuela switches to oil sales in yuan

News emerged on September 13 that Venezuela was telling oil traders
that it will stop receiving or sending payments in dollars.

The Venezuelan Oil Ministry published a statement about the decision to publish
prices in yuan, saying, “This format is the result of the announcement made on
September 7 by the president [Maduro] … that Venezuela will implement new
strategies to free the country from the tyranny of the dollar.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ese-currency-to-shun-u-s-dollar-idUSKCN1BQ2D1

On September 15, Venezuela began to publish prices for its oil in the Chinese yuan
rather than in United States dollars, following President Nicolás Maduro’s promise
earlier to rid the South American country’s economy of the “tyranny of the dollar.”

Maduro’s announcement came in response to the United States imposing financial
sanctions on him and others in his socialist government for their disregard for the
will of the Venezuelan people. These sanctions ban certain financial dealings with
Venezuela, including blocking U.S. citizens from buying new debt from Venezuela
or its state oil firm.

Since most of Venezuela’s crude is sold to the U.S. market, and since the nation’s
faltering economy is too indebted to engage in petrodollar recycling, the decision
to publish Venezuelan oil prices in yuan alone is not expected to diminish the power
of the dollar.

But since China is the world’s largest importer of crude, analysts believe
the contract could establish an Asia-based crude oil standard.

This is an attractive possibility for the rulers of nations , who often fall afoul of
U.S. foreign policy, who would love to circumvent America’s dollar-based sanctions.

Even before the Chinese contract’s launch was imminent, both Iran and Russia
had started letting China buy their oil in yuan rather than dollars.

China buying oil from Iran with yuan
China buying oil from Iran with yuan - BBC News
“Gazprom Neft sells oil to China in renminbi rather than dollars”
https://www.ft.com/content/8e88d464-0870-11e5-85de-00144feabdc0

Now Venezuela is taking measures to follow suit, others will follow,
to begin abandoning the dollar as the global reserve currency.

British writer Dan Glazebrook wrote about the trend of nations opting for the yuan
over the dollar, saying: “If this takes off, this could literally spell the beginning of the
end of U.S. global power. The dollar is the world’s leading reserve currency, in the main,
only because oil is currently traded in dollars. Countries seeking foreign exchange reserves
as insurance against crises within their own currencies tend to look to the dollar precisely
because it is effectively ‘convertible’ into oil, the world’s number one commodity.”

If the dollar is devalued, inflation will almost surely result,
and eventual economic collapse for the United States
 

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One point of interest. I have a friend who just left Venezuela. The most valuable currency to the people of Venezuela is still the dollar.
 
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cents on the $, don't ADD-UP to much...!?!?

bartering used to be the BIG WAY, in times before us - it was upright and honorable:
we tried it right after our 'conversion', in our initial zealousness, and people, whether rich or poor
were turned-off by our 'offering ourselves for something other than $'...:eek::eek:
 

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I remember my friend calling me and telling me he was going to go broke back in the early 2000's recession. I told him everything has its season, he would be a fool to jump now. I do not know what he really lost, probably millions because he is not saved and is not wise even though very rich. I have been to foreign countries the dollar was strong, good times on so little. Then when the dollar is week, not so much fun. G-d will advise how to invest. Personally a big fan of silver. In G-d I trust, just like on my dollar, the liberals have not taken that away yet!!!!