666 Mark of the Beast Tech is Ready to be Rolled Out

[RichMan]

I have studied the events. You can look at my blog "summary of Bible references concerning the rapture". I have 0 interest in timelines. There is no accountability. The only way to know if you know what you are talking about is if you can tell me when the rapture will be because if I am left behind then the timeline will matter to me and now I know I can trust yours.

For example your claim concerning 8 billion is only relevant if the sixth seal is opened this year. So, is that what you are saying? Are you saying the sixth seal will be opened in 2023?

Made no statement of when the sixth seal would be opened.
Anyone who puts a date on when this all begins is very foolish.
As for as when the Saints are gathered, look at Revelation 20.
When Satan is bound for 1000 years and cast into the pit, then the first resurrection takes place.
ALL who are not in the first resurrection will suffer the second death.
The first resurrection includes those who did not take the mark or worship the beast.
Please explain how you can be in the first resurrection if you are "raptured " before this all begins?

 

[MrE]

The word is used for things that are visible, so it seems if it isn't we would be told that it is not visible.

That's never a good argument. -Using something not said as evidence for or against something actually said.

It doesn't say 'not visible' so then it must be visible???

The concept of taking a mark is the same idea expressed by having a seal upon the forehead or hand to indicate those who have pledged themselves and to whom. In scripture elsewhere (like Rev 9) we see the angel being told to 'damage only those- who did not have the seal of God on their forehead.

That doesn't necessitate that it must be a visible mark of God. And yes, two different Greek words are used, but both are used to describe 'marking' something to designate authority or ownership.

charagma was a seal stamped with the name and date of the emperor and attached to commercial documents. The same word could be used to describe the branding of an animal with the symbol of one who it belongs to. Taken farther, it's akin to piercing the ear of a slave with an awl. And yes, these are all physical (visible) things. But we are marked (sealed) in the spirit with an invisible stamp that denotes who our Lord is. The angels have no need of physical markings to determine who one belongs to.

Conceptually, the idea of a mark is just that---- whatever the mark will be, it will be true to the principle of being subject to someone or something referred to in scripture as the beast.

 

[ZNP]

Made no statement of when the sixth seal would be opened.
Anyone who puts a date on when this all begins is very foolish.
As for as when the Saints are gathered, look at Revelation 20.
When Satan is bound for 1000 years and cast into the pit, then the first resurrection takes place.
ALL who are not in the first resurrection will suffer the second death.
The first resurrection includes those who did not take the mark or worship the beast.
Please explain how you can be in the first resurrection if you are "raptured " before this all begins?

If you don't know when the sixth seal will be opened how do you know the mark won't be for 8 billion?

My point was whoever is designing this thing has to make it so it can handle 8 billion because they also do not know when the sixth seal will be opened.

 

[ZNP]

That's never a good argument. -Using something not said as evidence for or against something actually said.

It doesn't say 'not visible' so then it must be visible???

Why do you have a "mark of the beast" and you use the same word you would use for brand on a horse. It is so people can see that this horse belongs to you. That doesn't mean that it must be visible to the naked eye, but that is the purpose. Store owners, and police, and any gate keeper is going to want to see that you have the mark. This isn't just so you can buy, it is also so you can sell.

True, an RFID would be picked up by other sensors so you could always detect it. But you don't know if it is on the hand or the forehead, it is nice to make it easily identifiable to people by eye.

The flip side of course is people will tatoo fake marks, but that would be easy to spot since there is no RFID signal.

The concept of taking a mark is the same idea expressed by having a seal upon the forehead or hand to indicate those who have pledged themselves and to whom. In scripture elsewhere (like Rev 9) we see the angel being told to 'damage only those- who did not have the seal of God on their forehead.

That doesn't necessitate that it must be a visible mark of God. And yes, two different Greek words are used, but both are used to describe 'marking' something to designate authority or ownership.

Yes, it is quite obvious that God, and Satan do not need this to be visible to the eye for them to see it. But what about Satan's minions? What about the old "turn in your neighbor" approach to totalitarianism?

charagma

was a seal stamped with the name and date of the emperor and attached to commercial documents. The same word could be used to describe the branding of an animal with the symbol of one who it belongs to. Taken farther, it's akin to piercing the ear of a slave with an awl. And yes, these are all physical (visible) things. But we are marked (sealed) in the spirit with an invisible stamp that denotes who our Lord is. The angels have no need of physical markings to determine who one belongs to.

Conceptually, the idea of a mark is just that---- whatever the mark will be, it will be true to the principle of being subject to someone or something referred to in scripture as the beast.

Your only argument that it isn't visible is that it doesn't have to be for angels and God. But the mark will be enforced by people, they could be your neighbor, a person on the street, a cop, a cashier, etc.

You are talking about billions of people. When the first million get the mark they will go to their friends and family and say "see what I got". Therefore it makes sense that these people who are not yet marked can see it.

The bottom line is there is no reason at all in the Bible to say definitively that you can't see it, and since John is describing it by comparing it to things that we can see it seems strange he would not mention that it cannot be seen if it cannot be seen.

Finally, "pattern is prophecy". The number tatooe'd to prisoners in the Holocaust is a prefigure of the mark of the beast.

 

[MrE]

Why do you have a "mark of the beast" and you use the same word you would use for brand on a horse. It is so people can see that this horse belongs to you. That doesn't mean that it must be visible to the naked eye, but that is the purpose. Store owners, and police, and any gate keeper is going to want to see that you have the mark. This isn't just so you can buy, it is also so you can sell.

True, an RFID would be picked up by other sensors so you could always detect it. But you don't know if it is on the hand or the forehead, it is nice to make it easily identifiable to people by eye.

The flip side of course is people will tatoo fake marks, but that would be easy to spot since there is no RFID signal.



Yes, it is quite obvious that God, and Satan do not need this to be visible to the eye for them to see it. But what about Satan's minions? What about the old "turn in your neighbor" approach to totalitarianism?



Your only argument that it isn't visible is that it doesn't have to be for angels and God. But the mark will be enforced by people, they could be your neighbor, a person on the street, a cop, a cashier, etc.

You are talking about billions of people. When the first million get the mark they will go to their friends and family and say "see what I got". Therefore it makes sense that these people who are not yet marked can see it.

The bottom line is there is no reason at all in the Bible to say definitively that you can't see it, and since John is describing it by comparing it to things that we can see it seems strange he would not mention that it cannot be seen if it cannot be seen.

Finally, "pattern is prophecy". The number tatooe'd to prisoners in the Holocaust is a prefigure of the mark of the beast.

That’s correct. My argument that it isn’t necessarily visible is that it doesn’t have to be.

I’m suggesting that you hold your ideas loosely to the degree that you would hold anything that may be true, but isn’t yet known. Be true to the concept, without being married to your understanding of the concept.

If you want to argue that the revelations John gave us are primarily physical and not spiritual or conceptual, you’ll have to find a new dance partner.

 

[RichMan]

If you don't know when the sixth seal will be opened how do you know the mark won't be for 8 billion?

My point was whoever is designing this thing has to make it so it can handle 8 billion because they also do not know when the sixth seal will be opened.

If you are talking about a cashless system, I agree, but I am talking about the mark not being a chip, but a visible mark.
The sixth seal will open after the 1st., 2nd., 3rd., 4th., and 5th.
When will that begin? I do not know but I can read in Scripture what takes place once the seals begin to open leading up to that earthquake.
It will be after the man of sin is revealed.

 

[ZNP]

If you are talking about a cashless system, I agree, but I am talking about the mark not being a chip, but a visible mark.
The sixth seal will open after the 1st., 2nd., 3rd., 4th., and 5th.
When will that begin? I do not know but I can read in Scripture what takes place once the seals begin to open leading up to that earthquake.
It will be after the man of sin is revealed.

Does the first horse represent the use of propaganda to manipulate people into doing what the leaders want including war? Does the fourth horse represent man made bioweapons becoming global pandemics?

The white horse has a bow, and everyone assumes it is a bow and arrow only the white horse has no arrows. Suppose instead it is a bow from a rainbow? Could we see a global propaganda machine pushing the rainbow as a way to discredit the Bible, or as another gospel?

 

[RichMan]

Does the first horse represent the use of propaganda to manipulate people into doing what the leaders want including war? Does the fourth horse represent man made bioweapons becoming global pandemics?

The white horse has a bow, and everyone assumes it is a bow and arrow only the white horse has no arrows. Suppose instead it is a bow from a rainbow? Could we see a global propaganda machine pushing the rainbow as a way to discredit the Bible, or as another gospel?

I believe the rider of the white horse, first seal. is the man of sin.
Yes he has a bow but no arrows which means he will conquer by his deception.
Seals 2,3, and 4 are the result of the man of sin taking power and attacking Israel.
When he attacks Israel it will throw the entire world into a state of chaos.
Would not be surprised if Israel uses nukes.

 

[ZNP]

I believe the rider of the white horse, first seal. is the man of sin.
Yes he has a bow but no arrows which means he will conquer by his deception.
Seals 2,3, and 4 are the result of the man of sin taking power and attacking Israel.
When he attacks Israel it will throw the entire world into a state of chaos.
Would not be surprised if Israel uses nukes.

So you think the pre tribulation rapture takes place prior to the White horse rider? That is what I was taught based on J.N. Darby, but recently I heard that resurrection from the dead is associated with earthquakes in the Bible. Suppose the sixth seal is the pre tribulation rapture.

Because there is powerful evidence that the worldwide pandemic would be the fourth horse already out of the starting gate, that would mean that the invasion of Ukraine is already the red horse out of the starting gate, the white horse would be fake news already out of the starting gate, and I have seen compelling evidence that the most horrific persecution of Christians is taking place right now, the fifth seal.

What we are seeing right now is these things get exposed, in other words, unsealed. We are seeing the lies, deceit, and outright fraud of these things become exposed right before our eyes. This recent Project Veritas video of the Pfizer executive being a case in point.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If you want to argue that the revelations John gave us are primarily physical and not spiritual or conceptual, you’ll have to find a new dance partner.

How about BOTH physical and spiritual but not conceptual? Some of John's visions are highly symbolic, but they symbolize physical and spiritual realities.

There is some discussion here about the opening of the seals. When we look at the first FIVE seals we should go back to the Olivet Discourse and see the parallels there. As a matter of fact the first five seal events were manifested since the first century and continue to do so. But the 6th and 7th seal events are reserved for the future.

RIDER ON WHITE HORSE = false Messiahs/Christs and false prophets and deaths
RIDER ON RED HORSE = wars and rumors of wars and deaths
RIDER ON BLACK HORSE = famines and earthquakes and deaths
RIDER ON PALE HORSE = wars, famines, pestilences, wild beasts, and more deaths
FIFTH SEAL = Christian martyrs and deaths

Not a single one of these seals does not speak of wanton deaths and slaughters on earth. And now we have the proxy war in Ukraine as the icing on the cake.

 

[iamsoandso]

Green https://biblehub.com/greek/5515.htm Green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelensky_(surname) Green https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/6-8.htm

 

[RichMan]

So you think the pre tribulation rapture takes place prior to the White horse rider? That is what I was taught based on J.N. Darby, but recently I heard that resurrection from the dead is associated with earthquakes in the Bible. Suppose the sixth seal is the pre tribulation rapture.

Because there is powerful evidence that the worldwide pandemic would be the fourth horse already out of the starting gate, that would mean that the invasion of Ukraine is already the red horse out of the starting gate, the white horse would be fake news already out of the starting gate, and I have seen compelling evidence that the most horrific persecution of Christians is taking place right now, the fifth seal.

What we are seeing right now is these things get exposed, in other words, unsealed. We are seeing the lies, deceit, and outright fraud of these things become exposed right before our eyes. This recent Project Veritas video of the Pfizer executive being a case in point.

See post #81
I will be in the first resurrection with all those who refuse the mark and to worship the beast because that is the only way to escape the second death.
Please explain how there can be a pre-tribulation and the Scripture about the first resurrection be correct?

 

[ZNP]

See post #81
I will be in the first resurrection with all those who refuse the mark and to worship the beast because that is the only way to escape the second death.
Please explain how there can be a pre-tribulation and the Scripture about the first resurrection be correct?

Because the term "pre tribulation" is inaccurate. If the White Horse represents counterfeit Christs, well we know from the epistles of John that this horse left the starting gate very early on in the church age. We have also had war, plague, and famine and persecution of Christians throughout the last two thousand years. So how have any believers not gone through tribulation?

These are being "unsealed" because we are seeing how there is an elite cabal that manipulates the populace into these wars and that the vast majority of people are not out to kill others. This has become clearer and clearer with false flag events, "smoking guns" fear mongering, and blatant lies. We have learned that if a president doesn't want one of these wars they will have him assassinated. It is very hard to look at the fifth seal and not see how that has to apply to all those who have been martyred throughout the entire church age. Movies like "The Mission" reveal how sinister the hidden hand of the Catholic church is in these killings.

Now obviously "the dead in Christ" avoid the second death when they are raised first. They did not need to refuse the mark to avoid the second death.

The mark is the pressure that is put on you by a dictator to conform to an evil agenda. In WWII it would be like joining the Nazi party. Every Christian for two thousand years has been charged to not be conformed to this world but to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. That doesn't just apply to those who have already died, it applies to every believer.

Jesus charged all of us to take up our cross and follow Him. That means that you willingly choose to take this path. Enoch was translated without seeing death because he had a testimony that he was pleasing to God. Refusing the mark is not "the way to please God" much less the only way to please God. It is walking by faith is the way to please God, and without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith does not come by refusing the mark, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

 

[RichMan]

Because the term "pre tribulation" is inaccurate. If the White Horse represents counterfeit Christs, well we know from the epistles of John that this horse left the starting gate very early on in the church age. We have also had war, plague, and famine and persecution of Christians throughout the last two thousand years. So how have any believers not gone through tribulation?

These are being "unsealed" because we are seeing how there is an elite cabal that manipulates the populace into these wars and that the vast majority of people are not out to kill others. This has become clearer and clearer with false flag events, "smoking guns" fear mongering, and blatant lies. We have learned that if a president doesn't want one of these wars they will have him assassinated. It is very hard to look at the fifth seal and not see how that has to apply to all those who have been martyred throughout the entire church age. Movies like "The Mission" reveal how sinister the hidden hand of the Catholic church is in these killings.

Now obviously "the dead in Christ" avoid the second death when they are raised first. They did not need to refuse the mark to avoid the second death.

The mark is the pressure that is put on you by a dictator to conform to an evil agenda. In WWII it would be like joining the Nazi party. Every Christian for two thousand years has been charged to not be conformed to this world but to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. That doesn't just apply to those who have already died, it applies to every believer.

Jesus charged all of us to take up our cross and follow Him. That means that you willingly choose to take this path. Enoch was translated without seeing death because he had a testimony that he was pleasing to God. Refusing the mark is not "the way to please God" much less the only way to please God. It is walking by faith is the way to please God, and without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith does not come by refusing the mark, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

You do have quite an imagination.

 

[RichMan]

Yes the technology(similar to what the OP is meaning) is progressing in a direction that's very concerning. I'm really curious how the different states or Republican verses Democrat will see this. Why is where I live I(Texas) has been all Republican for 30 or more years now but recently they do not accept cash when you try to get your drivers license (last sentence) https://www.dps.texas.gov/news/dps-...ppointments-renewals-and-replacements-offices or then there's the new digital hunting fishing license https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/licenses/tagging-instructions/digitaltags I also took the same approach as you mentioned (no debit card, don't use credit ect.) for years but it's now in Texas at least being phased out and so how to pay ISP,light bill,hto,drivers license ect.

Don't know how one is to overcome this.
Thankfully here in Arkansas cash is still accepted by all government offices.
They actually charge you a 3% to 5% fee for not using cash.

 

[ZNP]

The Mark of the Beast is where this is headed

https://rumble.com/v27kzdc-dollar-down-and-entitlements-stop-01302023.html

 

[iamsoandso]

Whats your credit score? I'll have to check your credit score first and then determine how much your auto insurance is each month. Fill this out and I'll run your credit score and tell you how much you'll need to put down and how much your payments will be. First we should fill these papers out and after we run your credit score then I can show you the apartment you can rent and tell you the cost. What do you mean you cant use usury? No I'm not discriminating against your freedom of religion by requiring you to use usury and forcing you to maintain a high credit score...

 

[ZNP]

Whats your credit score? I'll have to check your credit score first and then determine how much your auto insurance is each month. Fill this out and I'll run your credit score and tell you how much you'll need to put down and how much your payments will be. First we should fill these papers out and after we run your credit score then I can show you the apartment you can rent and tell you the cost. What do you mean you cant use usury? No I'm not discriminating against your freedom of religion by requiring you to use usury and forcing you to maintain a high credit score...

The only way we can get everyone to buy into this is if we first cause them to be so destitute that we can actually look like the good guys.

 

[iamsoandso]

The only way we can get everyone to buy into this is if we first cause them to be so destitute that we can actually look like the good guys.

lol, and it all began with a diners club card...

 

[ResidentAlien]

Isaiah 41:10 "Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God."