An End to the 2-Party System?

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Which of the following American political parties would you support?

  • American Solidarity: Democracy, Pacifism, Socialism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Democratic: Capitalist, Centralization, Globalization

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Socialist: Democracy, Environmentalism Regulation,

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    5

HillsboroMom

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Both the Democrats and the Republicans seem about ready to implode.
 

stepbystep

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They have appeared that way for about 100 years! :)
There are more than two Parties now, but the two in power make the rules about everything dealing with Elections. They set a Standard of 10% (I believe) a Party must achieve in the Polls before that Party's Candidate can take part in any Debates.

Still, if there was a great groundswell among disgusted voters, they do have the power to "Write In" a person to be elected to any Office, including the Presidence.

I would not mind seeing a viable 3rd Party, but I just do not see it happening.
 

stepbystep

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Regarding your Poll. None of them really get my fires burning. :)
 

Nehemiah6

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I would not mind seeing a viable 3rd Party, but I just do not see it happening.
The country is ripe for a viable third party, since the Republican party has totally betrayed its constituents and Mr. Trump failed to take all the necessary steps to prevent election fraud while he had the presidency. Indeed, when he ran for office, he should have first established a third party, since almost all the RINOs hated him. At the same time the Democrats are no longer Democrats but committed Communist/Marxist/Fascists, and free citizens hate this kind of *Socialism*.

All it would take is for a small group of patriots with the financial wherewithal to expose the hypocrisy of both parties through a brand new independent social media platform which could not be sabotaged by Big Tech. It seems that social media have become all the rage, but Parler was sabotaged before it could even get started. It would also have to find a way to ensure that only paper ballots are used in future elections.
 

HillsboroMom

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The country is ripe for a viable third party,
True

since the Republican party has totally betrayed its constituents
This is misleading.

Before Trump, the Republican Party stood for conservativism and laissez-fairre governing. Trump brought in Democratic ideals of over-reaching executive authority, added some of the sleaziest personal character flaws worse than Clinton and Kennedy combined, had no consistency of policy, no humor (unlike Obama or Reagan), no class, and the one thing he claimed to be good at -- negotiation skills -- ended up being horrific: we became one of the most pitied and disrespected countries in the world.

Some of the leadership is finding its backbone now, and standing for its prior values. If that means some of the its constituents feel betrayed, I say good riddance. Don't let the door hit you.

and Mr. Trump failed to take all the necessary steps to prevent election fraud while he had the presidency.
False. There was no widespread election fraud. This has been proved repeatedly.

At the same time the Democrats are no longer Democrats but committed Communist/Marxist/Fascists,
False. Very few leaders in the Democratic Party are even close to Communism, Marxism, or Fascism. Even Warren, who is pretty far to the left, is decidedly pro-Capitalist in her outlook. Sanders is the only one who has socialist ideas, and he's not Democratic, he's Independent. And his ideas are still to the right of Communism.

All it would take is for a small group of patriots with the financial wherewithal to expose the hypocrisy of both parties through a brand new independent social media platform which could not be sabotaged by Big Tech.
You already mentioned Parler, and it was operating for years before you claim it was "hacked." There are dozens other sites. Have you heard of 4chan? Gab? This is already happening, on both sides.
 

Nehemiah6

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Before Trump, the Republican Party stood for conservativism and laissez-fairre governing.
The Republican Party became globalist and elitist after Ronald Reagan. They have been BETRAYING their own Republican principles day after day ever since. And almost all (if not all) of them HATED Trump for trying to go back to the Constitution and Make America Great Again.

The latest example of their treachery is voting to retain Liz Cheney in a leadership position when her own Wyoming constituents have rejected her for demanding Trump's impeachment. That is the height of arrogance and stupidity. The RINOs never learn any lessons.

Every genuine Republican should have boycotted the fraudulent inauguration of Biden, and in fact mounted a huge protest in front of the Supreme Court in order to see justice done for Donald Trump. Now BLM and Antifa are in D.C. showing their muscle.
 

HillsboroMom

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And almost all (if not all) of them HATED Trump for trying to go back to the Constitution and Make America Great Again.
Hmmm.

I just re-read the constitution, and I don't see anything in there about inciting treason. Must be some other "constitution" you're reading, not the U.S. constitution
 
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kaylagrl

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Will be interesting to see how others vote. I think middle of the road Dems are starting to understand the radicals are driving the bus. Things are coming to light, (Biden, Hunter and China) that are giving some of the middle of the road Dems buyers remorse. Right now, a barmaid is running the country. Let that sink in.
 

Kojikun

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True


This is misleading.

Before Trump, the Republican Party stood for conservativism and laissez-fairre governing. Trump brought in Democratic ideals of over-reaching executive authority, added some of the sleaziest personal character flaws worse than Clinton and Kennedy combined, had no consistency of policy, no humor (unlike Obama or Reagan), no class, and the one thing he claimed to be good at -- negotiation skills -- ended up being horrific: we became one of the most pitied and disrespected countries in the world.

Some of the leadership is finding its backbone now, and standing for its prior values. If that means some of the its constituents feel betrayed, I say good riddance. Don't let the door hit you.


False. There was no widespread election fraud. This has been proved repeatedly.


False. Very few leaders in the Democratic Party are even close to Communism, Marxism, or Fascism. Even Warren, who is pretty far to the left, is decidedly pro-Capitalist in her outlook. Sanders is the only one who has socialist ideas, and he's not Democratic, he's Independent. And his ideas are still to the right of Communism.


You already mentioned Parler, and it was operating for years before you claim it was "hacked." There are dozens other sites. Have you heard of 4chan? Gab? This is already happening, on both sides.
A third or even fourth party to be prominent would probably be a good thing. The likelihood of them getting anywhere though I think is slim at this point. That being said I dont know enough about these alternative parties to legitimately support them. I do hope the Republicans pick up the pieces and start rebuilding.
 

Lanolin

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well none of course I dont live there.

and not ever planning to.

People that do polls are usually journalists with nothing better to talk about lol.
 

Lanolin

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try MMP
mixed member proportionate, thatnis the system we have in nz. It kinda works. everyone hated the old 2 party system.
 

HillsboroMom

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try MMP
mixed member proportionate, thatnis the system we have in nz. It kinda works. everyone hated the old 2 party system.
I wish more Americans figured out how crappy their system was!
 

GaryA

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Hmmm.

I just re-read the constitution, and I don't see anything in there about inciting treason. Must be some other "constitution" you're reading, not the U.S. constitution
You read the entire constitution in 35 minutes or less??? o_O
 

HillsboroMom

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You read the entire constitution in 35 minutes or less??? o_O
It's actually not that long. Any high-school graduate should be able to read the whole thing, including the Bill of Rights, within an hour.

The fact that you don't even realize that is all the evidence one needs to know you haven't read it.
 

Magenta

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It's actually not that long. Any high-school graduate should be able to read the whole thing, including the Bill of Rights, within an hour.

The fact that you don't even realize that is all the evidence one needs to know you haven't read it.
False... and non sequitur. Not knowing how long it takes to read something is not evidence one has not read it.
 

GaryA

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It's actually not that long. Any high-school graduate should be able to read the whole thing, including the Bill of Rights, within an hour.

The fact that you don't even realize that is all the evidence one needs to know you haven't read it.
You assume - and presume - way too much. And, that - along with your quick-to-judge attitude toward others - says something about you, too. ;)

Some people - who happen to be very detail-oriented - take longer to read [whatever] than most other people do.

In my lifetime - I have read it many times. I cannot claim to have read it recently in its entirety.
 

GaryA

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Some people - who happen to be very detail-oriented - take longer to read [whatever] than most other people do.
If you don't like this explanation, then just call me a slow reader... haha

But - in any case - I happen to be very detail-oriented.

:)
 

GaryA

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Any high-school graduate should be able to read the whole thing, including the Bill of Rights, within an hour.
Yet - you read it in 35 minutes or less...?

So - I guess you are "not just any high school graduate"...?

Are you a 'speed reader'?