Andrew Scheer steps down as Canada's Conservative leader - Is Harper coming back?

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Lightskin

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Being illiterate of Canadian politics, I ask my northern brethren what this means to your country and beyond.
 
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Being illiterate of Canadian politics, I ask my northern brethren what this means to your country and beyond.
What does it mean beyond Canada? I don't think Canada's reach extends much beyond our own borders, Canada is not really a world leader....I don't believe other nations ask, "what is Canada doing" before making any decisions. What it means in Canada is that we're likely looking at 18 to 30 months before our next election.

Having a parliamentary system means that the Liberals are in power for now, but because they don't have a majority of the 338 seats in our house of commons they need the support of others to pass legislation. 170 is the number that was needed to form a majority gov't, the Liberals have 157, so they need 13 other votes if everyone is present for a vote. The Conservatives are next at 121 followed by a party called the Bloc Quebecois with 32 then the scocialst NDP with 24, the Greens with 3 and finally one independent member.

While this is a minority I don't think the Liberals will have any trouble passing legislation.....if the other parties all joined together and voted against the gov't on a piece of legislation that involves spending its called a confidence motion, and would result in another election being called. All the Liberals have to do is get one of the Conservaties, Bloc Quebecois or NDP to vote along with them and they're good....The Conservatives are now going through a leadership contest, so they're not going to want to defeat the gov't and force an election. The Bloc Quebecois want to take the province of Quebec out of Canada and form their own independent country, so they'll be happy to prop up the Liberals and continue to collect their pay cheques (that's how we spell it in Canada). The socialist NDP is broke and can't afford to fight an election right now.

What will happen in my view is the Liberals will closely watch the opinion polls, and if their numbers get up over 40% then Prime Minister Trudeau will ask the Governor General to disolve parliament and call another election. He won't do it in the first year, but anytime after 18 months puts us in the window as I see it. Even though he won't "need" to do it he will....Stephen Harper did the same thing when his Conservative party was governing twice with a minority....its the way the game is played.
 
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If you could link the Biden video that would be great....I have little doubt that Hunter was on Burisma's board because his daddy was the VP....politics and biz have always gone hand in hand. In Canada we have a former PM's son as our current Prime Minister....Justin Trudeau was a part time drama/french teacher before entering politics and if it wasn't for his last name being Trudeau and the millions he inherited I'm convinced he'd still be a teacher and not the most senior elected politician in this country.

long vid but it starts playing where he said what he did

you can also read the transcript

it's been played quite a few times on FOX but I think 0 times on the fake news
 
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I'm military brother, so if you need to rant (you don't come across as anything close to crazy) to blow off some steam/stress....go right ahead, and I'll read every word.

Freedom is a funny thing...that can mean different things to different people. Some find freedom in areas that others believe to be opression....we're all imperfect creatures. I'm debating where to attend worship tomorrow. I belong to a Reformed church, but I play basketball with some Penetcostals and I really enjoy their style of worship at times....depends how energetic I am. Sometimes I'm more solemn and reflective, other times I want to jump and clap and shout out.
I witnessed an African American lady while visiting a Catholic Mass this summer clapping during the service to express her joy in the Lord.

I applauded a priests sermon once in an Orthodox service, and I believe he was grateful, since he was teaching a powerful message in the spirit. But, I think a few people thought I needed counseling.
 
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What does it mean beyond Canada? I don't think Canada's reach extends much beyond our own borders, Canada is not really a world leader....I don't believe other nations ask, "what is Canada doing" before making any decisions. What it means in Canada is that we're likely looking at 18 to 30 months before our next election.

Having a parliamentary system means that the Liberals are in power for now, but because they don't have a majority of the 338 seats in our house of commons they need the support of others to pass legislation. 170 is the number that was needed to form a majority gov't, the Liberals have 157, so they need 13 other votes if everyone is present for a vote. The Conservatives are next at 121 followed by a party called the Bloc Quebecois with 32 then the scocialst NDP with 24, the Greens with 3 and finally one independent member.

While this is a minority I don't think the Liberals will have any trouble passing legislation.....if the other parties all joined together and voted against the gov't on a piece of legislation that involves spending its called a confidence motion, and would result in another election being called. All the Liberals have to do is get one of the Conservaties, Bloc Quebecois or NDP to vote along with them and they're good....The Conservatives are now going through a leadership contest, so they're not going to want to defeat the gov't and force an election. The Bloc Quebecois want to take the province of Quebec out of Canada and form their own independent country, so they'll be happy to prop up the Liberals and continue to collect their pay cheques (that's how we spell it in Canada). The socialist NDP is broke and can't afford to fight an election right now.

What will happen in my view is the Liberals will closely watch the opinion polls, and if their numbers get up over 40% then Prime Minister Trudeau will ask the Governor General to disolve parliament and call another election. He won't do it in the first year, but anytime after 18 months puts us in the window as I see it. Even though he won't "need" to do it he will....Stephen Harper did the same thing when his Conservative party was governing twice with a minority....its the way the game is played.
One thing Canada is doing well, including Prime Minister Trudeau (and his lovely wife) is guardian the entire northern border of America.
 
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One thing Canada is doing well, including Prime Minister Trudeau (and his lovely wife) is guardian the entire northern border of America.
I loved your comment about clapping during a sermon at an Orthodox service and some thinking you need counseling, that's hilarious.
I'm not a big Trudeau fan but I did vote for his Liberal party in the 2015 election....in point of fact I actually met him briefly just before that 2015 election. It was at a campaign style rally in Quebec City where I was living at the time....he was introducing the Liberal candidates for that area.

When he came around, working the crowd I asked to take a picture of him with my wife and son.....of course he agreed. Then he offered his hand for me to shake and I declined, explaining that I'd shook (shaken?) hands with his father in 1979 and his dad lost that election. He laughed, said that he wasn't superstitious, but that he'd respect my wishes.
 
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The only true Conservative option for Canadians in the 2019 election was Bernier's People's Party....however too many people decided to vote for Scheer's Fake Conservatives because they didn't mind electing another Liberal gov't, they just wanted to get rid of Trudeau...I know lots of traditional Conservative voters who told me "I like the People's Party a lot more than Scheer's party....but if I vote for the People's Party that's just stealing votes and it'll result in Trudeau winning again".
I don't know a lot yet about Canadian politics, except that it is unusually different from American politics. But I do know that there is no party called Sheer's Fake Conservatives. How does that help solve the issues?

Please keep in mind that this is a Christian forum. A place to build bridges. Like the Apostle Paul did.
 
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I don't know a lot yet about Canadian politics, except that it is unusually different from American politics. But I do know that there is no party called Sheer's Fake Conservatives. How does that help solve the issues?

Please keep in mind that this is a Christian forum. A place to build bridges. Like the Apostle Paul did.
Fair comment....the point I'm making is that simply because the party calls itself conservative, doesn't necessarily mean they're in point of fact a conservative party. I already cited the case in point about the conservative party being opposed to the free market, instead preferring a socialist system of cartels. I am perhaps betraying my bias, maybe some do think you can be a conservative AND opposed to the free market.
 

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Fair comment....the point I'm making is that simply because the party calls itself conservative, doesn't necessarily mean they're in point of fact a conservative party. I already cited the case in point about the conservative party being opposed to the free market, instead preferring a socialist system of cartels. I am perhaps betraying my bias, maybe some do think you can be a conservative AND opposed to the free market.

So you voted PPC? I agree with some of their platform, but Bernier is a liar and a turncoat. I watched him shake Scheer's hand and tell him he would support him. Then he ran off and started his own party, where he lost his own seat and managed to get 1% of the vote.

Not a party to worry about. As for Scheer, it is over for him. The most disgusting case of railroading a party leader in the history of Canada!

But not to worry! Twitter conservatives have decided to support Pierre Poilievre, and there are enough of us that we are a good sampling of party members.

I am sad we lost Scheer, but we must move on. Morneau's budget was not presented to Parliament, but the press. His budget deficits from Oct, have increased by $8 billion. Meanwhile, Trudeau has handed over the entire PM's files and responsibilities to Chrysta Freeland, who had a grandfather who was a Nazi sympathizer, and her mom is close friends with George Soros.

All I know is that Western Canada wants out of this Liberal/Toronto nightmare, the giveaways to Muslim countries, the $700M to international Planned Parenthood and these morons running the Liberal Party and destroying Canada at the same time.

#Wexit!
 

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All I know is that Western Canada wants out of this Liberal/Toronto nightmare, the giveaways to Muslim countries, the $700M to international Planned Parenthood and these morons running the Liberal Party and destroying Canada at the same time.
If it has not been for the betrayal of Alberta by past premiers who were simply there for themselves, at least Alberta and Saskatchewan would have been out of Canada (at the same time as Quebec was clamoring for separatism and almost departed). Perhaps Manitoba would join those two, but definitely not Leftist BC.

Canada was been dysfunctional from day one because almost all the Prime Ministers were from Quebec (or its twin Ontario or the Maritimes). Thus catering to Quebec was more important than the welfare of Canada.
 
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So you voted PPC? I agree with some of their platform, but Bernier is a liar and a turncoat. I watched him shake Scheer's hand and tell him he would support him. Then he ran off and started his own party, where he lost his own seat and managed to get 1% of the vote.

Not a party to worry about. As for Scheer, it is over for him. The most disgusting case of railroading a party leader in the history of Canada!

But not to worry! Twitter conservatives have decided to support Pierre Poilievre, and there are enough of us that we are a good sampling of party members.

I am sad we lost Scheer, but we must move on. Morneau's budget was not presented to Parliament, but the press. His budget deficits from Oct, have increased by $8 billion. Meanwhile, Trudeau has handed over the entire PM's files and responsibilities to Chrysta Freeland, who had a grandfather who was a Nazi sympathizer, and her mom is close friends with George Soros.

All I know is that Western Canada wants out of this Liberal/Toronto nightmare, the giveaways to Muslim countries, the $700M to international Planned Parenthood and these morons running the Liberal Party and destroying Canada at the same time.

#Wexit!
We have differing views, and that is at it should be.....nobody has a monopoly on truth in the political realm, as time goes on we're becoming more and more tribal, forgiving all the failings of OUR candidate while castigating ALL the failings of others.

As for Bernier, he did in just one year what it took the Greens 20+ years to do.....running candidates in almost every riding in Canada and garnering 1.6% or so of the national vote. And doing so while a major political party hires a former Liberal operative to engage in questionable attacks if not outright slander. Sadly the PPC was the only party that had a platform which addressed the issue of balancing Ottawa's books.

And with that being a big issue for me I do like Pierre Poilievre a lot....I like his style. Interestingly, as far as I'm aware, there's only one candidate who has declared an intention to seek the leadership, Bryan Brulotte which is hardly a household name. There's something to be said about getting an advantage from being a 'first mover' but its like all the big names are waiting...Ambrose, Poilivre, MaKay etc. It has me wondering, given how much criticism was directed at Scheer by Harper's inner circle....I'm wondering if they're waiting to see if a political comeback is in the cards.

Interesting times....I just hope Trudeau's gov't is defeated and we head to the polls in another year or so....4 years is too long to wait.
 

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If it has not been for the betrayal of Alberta by past premiers who were simply there for themselves, at least Alberta and Saskatchewan would have been out of Canada (at the same time as Quebec was clamoring for separatism and almost departed). Perhaps Manitoba would join those two, but definitely not Leftist BC.

Canada was been dysfunctional from day one because almost all the Prime Ministers were from Quebec (or its twin Ontario or the Maritimes). Thus catering to Quebec was more important than the welfare of Canada.
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I agree with most of what you say. But not about BC. There is a perception that BC is leftist, because of the Greens on the Gulf Islands and Victoria, and certain areas of Greater Vancouver, voting NDP, a very union/leftist party. But, the entire interior voted Conservative in the Oct election. That is with the exception of the riding directly south of me, which ended up with an NDP candidate, because the PPC split the vote, with 1000 right wing votes, when the Conservative party only needed 200 votes to win the riding.

In addition, the "Liberal" provincial gov't (being the de facto right wing part, provincially, and not connected to the federal party!) actually bear the NDP by 1 seat. The 3 Greens sided with NDP, and so they are holding onto a small minority gov't with 2 ridings to spare. So, essentially, half of BC voted for a party that is conservative by policy.

The interior of BC seems mostly ready to
#Wexit, which is western Canada's call to separate from the east. Certainly we would be happy to leave the Lower Mainland and the Islands behind, while retaining our bit of BC paradise!
 
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One thing Canada is doing well, including Prime Minister Trudeau (and his lovely wife) is guardian the entire northern border of America.

I haven't see her

frankly, I think the wife of a Prime Minister should not wear a dress that is literally open in front almost to the navel and yes she did that, barely covering her 2 raisins on an ironing board.

and she can't sing either

I think that Melania is beautiful...she has style and grace AND looks
 
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so never got a response on this video that someone asked for

ho hum
Sorry, I'm getting my threads confused.....on a Trump thread I changed my opinion on impeachment for basically this reason....Trump, Biden...in this respect there's not much difference between the two, both Dems and Republicans will do whatever it takes to win and to protect their own....
 
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Sorry, I'm getting my threads confused.....on a Trump thread I changed my opinion on impeachment for basically this reason....Trump, Biden...in this respect there's not much difference between the two, both Dems and Republicans will do whatever it takes to win and to protect their own....

not much difference

no difference at all except for abortion on demand
killing babies that are born viable but you can kill them if you don't want them
open borders
dismantle ICE
reinvent the justice system so that even major crimes are no longer crimes
allow all illegals to have the rights of American citizens and all those who are in the US legally
no more freedom of religion
no more free speech
and on and on and on

yup

not even a bit of difference

thankfully you will not be voting here and I suspect you should abstain in Canada as well

I also suspect you saw my response, watched the vid and decided not to respond as you did respond to everything else and all of a sudden you were overwhelmed with confusion over all the threads?

not buying it

you indicated you thought Biden was pure as the driven snow and the vid clearly indicates he is guilty of what Trump is being accused of

won't respond again so please do have the last word

I prefer honestly even when I don't like it
 
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not much difference

no difference at all except for abortion on demand
killing babies that are born viable but you can kill them if you don't want them
open borders
dismantle ICE
reinvent the justice system so that even major crimes are no longer crimes
allow all illegals to have the rights of American citizens and all those who are in the US legally
no more freedom of religion
no more free speech
and on and on and on

yup

not even a bit of difference

thankfully you will not be voting here and I suspect you should abstain in Canada as well

I also suspect you saw my response, watched the vid and decided not to respond as you did respond to everything else and all of a sudden you were overwhelmed with confusion over all the threads?

not buying it

as Canadian as I am, this sort of thing frankly turns my stomach

won't respond again so please do have the last word

I prefer honestly even when I don't like it
I lack your total certainty about everything, I guess I am a horrible human being.....oh to have all the answers and be all knowing and all wise. Maybe some day I'll get there....but hopefully not, at least not on this side of the veil.
 
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and now the word 'tribal' will be tossed around like people even know what they are talking about

anthropology anyone?

ignorance is not actually bliss after all
 
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I lack your total certainty about everything, I guess I am a horrible human being.....oh to have all the answers and be all knowing and all wise. Maybe some day I'll get there....but hopefully not, at least not on this side of the veil.

listen...I am Canadian and apparently more so than you are

I still have pride in my country and whether I am in the US or Canada, I would never laugh at the US elections or find them funny like you do

I have my outs with Angela but she knows what she is talking about and you disagree with her too

don't take a wrong turn in a supermarket and make the headlines of how you froze to death in the ice cream section

for the record, I am, apparently, much wiser than you are and it is not for bragging I say so

it is because I recognize how serious things are

you, need baby food and someone to burp you
 
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you state you were raised Christian

that does not make you a Christian

so you either are or you are not

that is between you and God and only He and you know if you actually made a decision towards him

your family cannot save you

and now I will excuse myself from any further exchanges with you

in other words consider yourself ignored