Becomes Trump a dictator?

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Roughsoul1991

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Remaining the leading consumer depends on IF we can still afford to buy the things when the trade war is over. IF the market continues to crash and we force China,Europe ect. to make import/export deals with each other instead of the US without tariffs then we will no longer be the leading consumers.
A possibility but with the cutting of red tape, tax breaks, cheaper to export, oil prices down, and last I heard 70+ countries ready to make deals and so far it seems many are leading towards 0%. This potentially will give us buffer room for the lag time of domestic company investment. Which is greatly needed. We saw at the start of Covid how China restricted medical supplies that we needed or sent us faulty covid tests. Now they are trying to restrict rare metals. It should have never came to the point where a sovereign super power depends on their enemy for crucial supplies. If anything, this is the wake up call our country needs.
 

SonJudgment

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You know here I thought men with honour, honoured trade agreements they signed in 2019.
I'm not saying I neccessarily agree with the premise of sanctioning countries that caused American deaths via war (funny enough originally started over Saudi Arabia which America has not actually fought a war with). Just noting the irony and adding a little flavor to the rich fantasy of the Trump Dictator RP.
 

HeIsHere

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I'm not saying I neccessarily agree with the premise of sanctioning countries that caused American deaths via war (funny enough originally started over Saudi Arabia which America has not actually fought a war with). Just noting the irony and adding a little flavor to the rich fantasy of the Trump Dictator RP.
Is it boring that a "leader" signs a trade agreement and then breaks his treaty?

Beyond belief the level of compromise of Christian values and morals for one maga man.

When Christians have embroiled themselves in this movement, I would say they have already reached being part of a poltical "cult" because they have acclaimed and adopted him as their dictator, but then isn't that how it happens, Thomas Hobbes describes it perfectly in The Leviathan.

Lots of irony all around really.
Indeed they went to war with Iraq instead, interesting how that works.

But what is most interesting is how juvenile some people are in defense of the political class and the billionaire technocrats.
 

SonJudgment

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Is it boring that a "leader" signs a trade agreement and then breaks his treaty?

Beyond belief the level of compromise of Christian values and morals for one maga man.

When supposed Christians have embroiled themselves in this movement, I would say they have already reached being part of a poltical "cult" because they have acclaimed and adopted him as their dictator, but then isn't that how it happens, Thomas Hobbes describes it perfectly in The Leviathan.

Lots of irony all around really.
Indeed they went to war with Iraq instead, interesting how that works.

But what is most interesting is how juvenile some people are in defense of the political class.


 

Eli1

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Is it boring that a "leader" signs a trade agreement and then breaks his treaty?

Beyond belief the level of compromise of Christian values and morals for one maga man.

When Christians have embroiled themselves in this movement, I would say they have already reached being part of a poltical "cult" because they have acclaimed and adopted him as their dictator, but then isn't that how it happens, Thomas Hobbes describes it perfectly in The Leviathan.

Lots of irony all around really.
Indeed they went to war with Iraq instead, interesting how that works.

But what is most interesting is how juvenile some people are in defense of the political class and the billionaire technocrats.
You really have no legitimacy or seriousness in any political topics if you don't renounce some conspiracy theories you believe in which cause you confusion and contradiction in your thoughts.
No one, who is serious, is going to take you seriously.
 

cv5

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I’ll spell it out explicitly one last time.

Everyone thinks Trump wants balanced trade. He does not.

He wants to force allies to stop trading with China. Completely. Zero inbound supply.

Because it’s not just because of American jobs. It’s a proactive move to slow down Chinas industrial rise.

Everything is downstream of this. Reserve currency status. The ability to address fiscal debt.

It’s a crazy risk because China has a vote.

It’s a crazy risk because you are forcing Europe to commit seppeku because they have very little leverage or say in the matter.

It’s a crazy risk because Xi might bomb the fabs in Taiwan and the world doesn’t get AGI.

It’s a crazy risk because China knows how financialized we are and will dump bonds and equities to drive anger towards trump.

But it also has benefits if it works.

If your allies can’t trade with China there is no near peer competitor to worry about.

That has a ton of benefits. Just look at what happened after WW2/USSR collapse when American was the last man standing.

Hegemony.

Trumps advisors like Miran believe that you can coerce your allies to pay for your security umbrella in the form of buying longer dated treasuries.

This removes the overhangs of the debt load while allowing you to pump markets in time for midterms.

If Mexico can’t import from China then you solved the fentanyl crisis because they won’t have precursors.

More importantly by establishing a tolerance for risk the level of fear you can instill in cartels is an order of magnitude higher.

“Shit if they risked WW3 they won’t think twice about droning Sinaloa. “

This same “logic” applies to the Middle East.

Now I will repeat for the 100x that this is not advocacy.

I’m only telling you guys what the people in power believe. And I’m telling you that what happens next if I’m right will come down to how Xi wants to fight.

He can go gloves off or glove on. There are real constraints as I have outlined in prior tweets.

But there is a plan and therefore the tolerance for market pain is way way higher than you think.

Because first you need Europe to be willing to commit economic seppuku. And they won’t want to (rightly). So Trump will crush them economically until they cry uncle. And then they still won’t want to and he’s going to threaten to defang NATO. And then they still won’t want to and he will withdraw swap lines.

Or a lot more likely, he will do it all very forcefully and all at once to maximize leverage.

Now you’ll rightly ask… why wasn’t this messaged better? Why have midwits like Lutnik on the team?

Because you are attempting to execute a reckless gambit where the big variables are not what the tariffs rates are. Or if you tariff penguins. Or if the person sounds dumb on TV. Non of that matters.

What matters is - will Japan capitulate quickly and agree to buy a large amount of treasuries? Will Saudi capitulate quickly with your B2 bombers waiting in Diego Garcia to bomb Iran? Will China invade Taiwan?

Many of you think everyone around Trump is retarded. I get it. You hate the guy and everything he stands for. But I will say this until I’m blue in the face. Bessant, and even Miran, have higher IQs than most if not all of you. They thought through the second order effects. Believe me. If I, a dumb TMT L/S bro thought this far ahead, they certainly did too. Which means they warned Trump how risky this was and how deeply irrational it is if you planned to eventually cut a deal with China. Therefore you have to assume Trump heard the risks and said “**** it we ball” anyways.

Economic Blitzkrieg. That’s what we’re seeing. And it’s only the start.
 

ZNP

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Beyond belief the level of compromise of Christian values and morals for one maga man.
What belief?

The belief that the whole world lies in the evil one? Of course not, if you and others actually believed that you wouldn't be making a big deal about the fact that this world leader is doing any more than the many that have come before him.

How about the belief that the word of God is true? No of course not, if you and the rest of those fighting over whether or not Trump is doing the right thing would all agree he is doing the thing that God said would happen.

How about the belief that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord? No, of course not, if that was everyone's belief we wouldn't be subjected to the blasphemy that you post and others spout.

How about the belief that you cannot love God and Mammon, you have to choose? Again, of course not. If we all shared that belief we wouldn't be subjected to Dude crying about how Trump is hurting his money and all this blubbering about tariffs and the stock market.

But I cannot find anywhere in the New Testament where there is a "belief" that the world leaders are trustworthy and don't lie, steal and murder. So I have no idea what belief you are talking about.

Instead I do have the belief that God will have them in derision and so I find everything that is going on to be very funny. God has a sense of humor, deal with it.
 

Cameron143

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Everyone seems to desire fairness until they find out they are the unfair party. Then it's okay.
 

SonJudgment

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You really have no legitimacy or seriousness in any political topics if you don't renounce some conspiracy theories you believe in which cause you confusion and contradiction in your thoughts.
No one, who is serious, is going to take you seriously.
The whole topic is a conspiracy theory romantic fiction lol. I mean there is something to what she says though ironically about how they basically are making Trump into their own dictator in order to hate him. It's a dynamic I noticed back in Summer with the topic about whether they'd drop the Trump hate or not, Trump is basically what I call their hate-idol. They hate him to the point they essentially are deifying him frankly speaking. The entire premise of their cult is like purely based around hating Trump to a ludicrous degree that to just be honest, any post I make in here take with a huge grain of levity because I do not take the Trump Dictator RP seriously at all. Trump is their wickerman effigy to sacrifice in the melodramatic spectacle of their imaginations, but in reality the Lord God laughs them to scorn and Trump never becomes dictator, actually restores democracy, and keeps winning which is covered on the non-fiction Trump topic lol.
 

cv5

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Here’s what’s probably the strategy behind Trump’s tariffs, and it’s not as crazy as it might seem:

- Trump sees China as the only real competitor to the US. He believes that if the US keeps doing business the same way it has been, it’ll eventually lose its top spot.
- So, Trump is aiming for a total shake-up of the global trading system, and his tariffs are meant to break down the global supply chains that have been built around China over the past few decades.
- The way it works is: The tariffs on China are non-negotiable, but the tariffs on other countries are to be used as bargaining chips. This might explain why China was the only country to retaliate against the US reciprocal tariffs.
- Trump's trying to stop China’s trans-shipment practice: cut off those backdoor routes to get Chinese goods into the US.
- Countries that want lower tariffs will likely have to take action against Chinese goods and investments. Basically, it's about pulling them away from China's economic orbit.
- Sure, there are other key motivations: cutting trade deficits, pushing for more domestic manufacturing, and maybe even weakening the dollar or restructuring debt. But the bigger picture seems to be all about China.

There’s no guarantee that this gamble will work, but the choice has been made.
 

Eli1

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:ROFL:
Peasants with a huge chip on their shoulder are upset when you point the chip on their shoulder.

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Eli1

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Then again they're savvy enough the United States Space Force actually uses their data. https://www.satellitetoday.com/gove...unications-data-from-luxembourgs-meo-program/
The problem in today's world is not so much technical, but an acknowledgment problem.
This is what Trump is trying to correct, the whole skewed mindset caused from the left which turns anything factual into fantasy.

As someone who's been dealing with computers for close to 30 years, the issue with a lot of clueless managers is not the data that's glaring them in the face, it's admitting that the problem is real and then, which is ever harder for them, how to fix it.

So a dumb politician is always doing to be dumb, especially if they come from some out-of-touch elitist school where they don't teach any practical values.
 

cv5

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I am ready to start jotting down down thoughts and will probably thread a couple of posts to keep everything organized without turning it into a paper. Let's start with a top line over view and review of the most fundamental of issues.

1. My gut instinct is to not like the tariff announcement even if I am sympathetic to the very real problems Trump cites and is targeting. Others have done work on this from the academic to the professional about the implied price of non-tariff barriers and related issues that make exporting more costly. By really any measure the US is the most open of the major economies, maybe not after yesterday, and the US is the hardest hit of the major economies. I am sympathetic to the problems he cites, however, I do not care for the broad approach with and these are important caveats I will get to.

2. One concern about the tariff announcement is a sequencing problem. Last time Trump did a major tariff announcement, targeting China but no other countries of significance, as I wrote at the time (which you can find for anyone interested) this was a win for countries like Vietnam and Mexico and total US imports would largely not be impacted. What happened? US trade between countries like Mexico and Vietnam boomed, trade with China shrunk, and (this is arguably the most important point) import trade prices did not move and there was no impact to the US consumer or business. By taking such a broad approach here, I am concerned businesses will not be able to have outlets to preferred destinations because so many countries have been hit.

3. My concerns aside, a lot of the hand wringing is complete nonsense. For instance, countries will not be banding together to create free trade blocs that exclude the US. WE ARE THE REASON FOR THE FREE BLOCKS. THEY WANT ACCESS TO OUR MARKET. Seriously, for political and economical reasons, mercantilist protectionist large trade surplus countries (looking at you China and Germany just to start) do not create free trade blocks with other mercantalist protectionist countries. Look no other major economy even comes close to matching the US in terms of ongoing growth (even if we have a slowdown now) or market openness. Europe, Canada, and Japan for example haven't grown in decade or longer and China is actively kicking out almost all foreign businesses. The US is the literally the only game in town.

4. There were a number of things in the announcement and recent announcements that I noticed that were not an accident that I think hint at the strategy of where the Trump admin wants to take this. My previously noted concern about the "sequencing" becomes a moot point IF countries strike deals to get off the tariff list or minimize them. First, Trump delayed tariff implementation for a week. To me that points to he expects countries to rush to get off the list or minimize the tariffs and cut deals. The Trump admin has implemented tariff additions within the past month with only hours notification so I do not believe this current time horizon is accidental. Second, very quietly the Trump admin has gone very hard on China, which admittedly I like. Here is a very key difference: the dynamics of almost any country on that list caving to Trump are acceptable to keep exports flowing EXCEPT China. Everything Trump has done have made a deal increasingly hard for Xi to agree to and this even include something like TikTok. I mean the Trump administration literally listed Taiwan as a country. I guarantee that slight did not go unnoticed in Beijing. In short, would not surprise me to strike some "deals" that probably offer minimal return in order to prepare his table to target China even more.

5. There is one dynamic I do not think is appreciated about what you are reading about trade. The text book jockeys in east coast think tanks and universities point to the text book models but the reality is trade across borders happens for many reasons. To take some simple examples, yes in some products labor price is the reason it is profitable to ship a product long distances, other products have a monopoly by country (think something like oil), in other instances, it is as simple as being able to secure environmental permit (which is why Mexico makes a lot of products like cement which the US quasi-outsourced by restricting environmental permits). The reason this matters, is much of the writing on trade does not consider the high competition global world we live in but the Adam Smith textbook world of trade. I've seen people talk about Americans not wanting low wage manufacturing jobs but those aren't the jobs that would come back to the US. I can hear people crying but that's the job leaving Vietnam, but and this is the key, that isn't the job that would land in America. Take a simple example, a seamstress is put out of work in Vietnam to make tshirts in America. The US job wouldn't be a seamstress job, it might be a robot technician that overseas a few hundred robots outside a major metropolitan area making sure if a robot goes down it gets fixed quickly and keeps making tshirts. Why is this important for the Trump administration? Whether their plan to move trade to the US or cut deals with countries that want to cut deals and re-arrange supply chains they need to have those plans ready to go like yesterday with what they released. Part of this is also to say I suspect we will see significantly less disruption and pain than some people are predicting. I myself for years have called for shifting trade to preferred supplier countries.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the days and weeks ahead
 

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Or another theory is the elites have decided populism cannot be allowed to go any further, they will burn down the entire world in a nuclear holocaust while they go and hide in their underground bunkers.
Could be something, I'm beginning to see info that Ukraine captured two Chinese nationals a day or so ago fighting on the Russian's side. There were others(four?) but I think they were KIA. The Ukrainians are providing the documents they were carrying to the US/EU at present.
 

Eli1

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Could be something, I'm beginning to see info that Ukraine captured two Chinese nationals a day or so ago fighting on the Russian's side. There were others(four?) but I think they were KIA. The Ukrainians are providing the documents they were carrying to the US/EU at present.
I saw that too.
Not sure what to make of it yet.
 

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What belief?

The belief that the whole world lies in the evil one? Of course not, if you and others actually believed that you wouldn't be making a big deal about the fact that this world leader is doing any more than the many that have come before him.

How about the belief that the word of God is true? No of course not, if you and the rest of those fighting over whether or not Trump is doing the right thing would all agree he is doing the thing that God said would happen.

How about the belief that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord? No, of course not, if that was everyone's belief we wouldn't be subjected to the blasphemy that you post and others spout.

How about the belief that you cannot love God and Mammon, you have to choose? Again, of course not. If we all shared that belief we wouldn't be subjected to Dude crying about how Trump is hurting his money and all this blubbering about tariffs and the stock market.

But I cannot find anywhere in the New Testament where there is a "belief" that the world leaders are trustworthy and don't lie, steal and murder. So I have no idea what belief you are talking about.

Instead I do have the belief that God will have them in derision and so I find everything that is going on to be very funny. God has a sense of humor, deal with it.
Blurring the line between "practice" and what is right on principle is not my world view. Instead of just saying that is wrong to break a treaty, we have all this justification and it is boring.

All good. moving one, much like the hatred of the jews thread, some provide cover for evil, I cannot deal with Mr. Theosis anymore and even while we all slip into "juvenility" hopefully most of us work to come out of it.

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