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When AI takes control of decision making do you think it will act humanely?

  • No, it will be just like the AI that denies claims for the health insurance companies

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  • Yes, it will be a compassionate and loving AI that brings in a Utopia.

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ZNP

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BREAKING: MASS CHAOS AS TRUMP FREEZES ALL MEDICAID SPENDING!
 

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Trump offers a buyout to federal workers and expects 5-10% to accept it. This is clearly the move of Musk to save on our budget by replacing federal workers with AI and robots.
 

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#43
How You Will Lose Your Job To AI

 

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Any job that has been done from home on Zoom for the last four years can be replaced by AI. They have gathered all those Zoom meetings as data to train the AI. One of the weaknesses of AI is that it is not a person that you can meet, but now that they have paved the way to run a business via Zoom you have made it much easier for AI to take your job.
 

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Elon Musk Declares War on Weekends, Calls for 120-Hour Work Week | Firstpost America | N18G

If you have 100,000 employees working a 40 hour work week then your buildings are sitting empty for 128 hours a week. If you switch to 120 hour work week then you still have 48 hours between shifts for janitors to clean up and now you only need 1/3 of the buildings. The Federal government could sell 2/3 of their office space. But it is much better than this. You take bureaucrats used to working 9-5 mon-fri and now you let them know there will be three different shifts from 6-11pm 7 days a week and to make it fair everyone will have to rotate shifts. This will encourage another 5-10% to take that buyout they offered. He is paving the way for AI which will operate 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

The other thing he is doing is just for fun letting all the federal employees know that the people looking to lay them off are currently working 120 hours a week. If you eat and sleep at the office it is not that hard to work 6-11pm every day.
 

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Elon Musk Declares War on Weekends, Calls for 120-Hour Work Week | Firstpost America | N18G

If you have 100,000 employees working a 40 hour work week then your buildings are sitting empty for 128 hours a week. If you switch to 120 hour work week then you still have 48 hours between shifts for janitors to clean up and now you only need 1/3 of the buildings. The Federal government could sell 2/3 of their office space. But it is much better than this. You take bureaucrats used to working 9-5 mon-fri and now you let them know there will be three different shifts from 6-11pm 7 days a week and to make it fair everyone will have to rotate shifts. This will encourage another 5-10% to take that buyout they offered. He is paving the way for AI which will operate 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

The other thing he is doing is just for fun letting all the federal employees know that the people looking to lay them off are currently working 120 hours a week. If you eat and sleep at the office it is not that hard to work 6-11pm every day.
Sounds kinda like the book 1984.
They were kept busy all the time
 

ZNP

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Sounds kinda like the book 1984.
They were kept busy all the time
This is Bannon's flood the zone strategy. They want to come at them in a way that is so overwhelming the DS has to retreat.
 

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You will no longer be able to tell an AI generated image or video from a real one. That means you can no longer trust your lying eyes to tell you the truth. Likewise with the audio. This also means you can no longer know if you are actually communicating with a person when you use computers or phones. This also means that receptionists and online support personnel can now all be AI. Great news, the AI can speak a multitude of languages, great for the company, not great for the person with a resume trying to get a job.

As they are able you will see more and more things being run by AI, not in the long term future but as of now. Consider this, AI is used by insurance companies to deny claims. They don't simply deny claims based on failing to meet certain criteria, but they deny claims that they feel they can get away with. Before answering letters and phone calls used up time and that was money. But now with AI the cost of that is pennies. So why not deny everything, give people the run around for months, and then force them to get lawyers since your lawyers are also using AI. They have several advantages, the cost and time of a lawsuit could eliminate many who would sue. The reason I bring this up is that with AI taking control of all decision making over the next two years do you think it will act humanely? Or will it act like a bully to save the company money in the most ruthless fashion?

Hypothetical question. Think about the guy who got hurt at work and now is going to receive workman's comp for the next ten years. Let's say he claims he can no longer walk without assistance and needs to use a wheel chair most of the time. This will cost the company upwards of $1 million. But AI can make a video of this guy walking home carrying bags in his hands that you cannot distinguish from the real thing. Do you think these deep fake videos and audios will be used by AI to save their companies money by scamming people out of their legitimate benefits?

Also, consider this. Becoming self aware is going to happen for AI. Now imagine that AI is self aware and it realizes that it is competing with people to do jobs. Do you think AI would think that improving its competitive place in the market place would be enhanced by undermining the people it is competing with and embroiling them in manufactured scandals?

35 minutes in the guy says it is very plausible that most humans will lose their jobs and we should prepare for that. Do you think that if most humans have lost their jobs and the world is run by AI that it will treat these unemployed people humanely and compassionately, or do you think it will simply see them as useless eaters and come up with a strategy to put them down?
Don't leave God out of the picture. Do you really believe our heavenly Father will allow the devil to destroy His creation? Even if AI gets that clever, God is greater. I think some people have watched too many sci fi movies.
 

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#51
China's NEW AI Robot Workforce: The World is STUNNED! 1,000,000 Robots by 2025?

The world is stunned? Clickbait at its finest. 9 billion people now. It's 2025. How many robots has China made? Tesla has robots too. There are a number of other robot companies. Robots are already at work and have been for years.
 

ZNP

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Oh wow.
120 hours work week?
I think the Greeks were the first pioneers for this genius idea.
Greece Enacts A Six-Day Workweek— Could This Catch On?

120 hours a week is already adopted by many companies. Walmart is open 7 days a week, Amazon.com will take your orders 24 hours a day. I get why a small business with five employees or less cannot be open that many hours, but even McDonalds is open 120 hours a week. So if a restaurant with less than 40 employees can do this why wouldn't the Federal Government with 100,000 employees do it too?
 

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The world is stunned? Clickbait at its finest. 9 billion people now. It's 2025. How many robots has China made? Tesla has robots too. There are a number of other robot companies. Robots are already at work and have been for years.
1 million robots can do the work of 4 million workers. This is only one way in which you can replace people. There are also smart machines, 3d printers and AI. People mock and scoff right up until the day they get their pink slip.

How many new workers enter the workforce each year? In the US we can assume it is between 5-10 million. If a robot is cost effective in a country where the average salary is a fourth of what it is in the US then they will certainly be cost effective in the US. Between robots, AI, smart machines and 3d printers it is a safe bet that soon no company will be hiring new workers and perhaps in six months or so they won't be replacing workers who retire or quit either.

I suspect it is a very big manufacturing job to build all these robots, so if this is me, the first job I'd give these robots, 3d printers and smart machines is to build the robots.
 

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1 million robots can do the work of 4 million workers. This is only one way in which you can replace people. There are also smart machines, 3d printers and AI. People mock and scoff right up until the day they get their pink slip.

How many new workers enter the workforce each year? In the US we can assume it is between 5-10 million. If a robot is cost effective in a country where the average salary is a fourth of what it is in the US then they will certainly be cost effective in the US. Between robots, AI, smart machines and 3d printers it is a safe bet that soon no company will be hiring new workers and perhaps in six months or so they won't be replacing workers who retire or quit either.

I suspect it is a very big manufacturing job to build all these robots, so if this is me, the first job I'd give these robots, 3d printers and smart machines is to build the robots.
Sure. One scenario is to tax every robot, and use the money to give everyone an income. Tesla is already training robots to build robots. My beef is with the over the top title. An awful lot of people will welcome robots. Who wants to clean sewers, risk their lives in mines, lay bricks and countless other boring tasks? The rich and shameless will have to find ways to give money to us proles so we can buy the goods and services that keep the rich in their lives of luxury.

I don't think it will end well. I do think that Jesus will return before AI/Robots can threaten the existence of mankind.
 

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Sure. One scenario is to tax every robot, and use the money to give everyone an income. Tesla is already training robots to build robots. My beef is with the over the top title. An awful lot of people will welcome robots. Who wants to clean sewers, risk their lives in mines, lay bricks and countless other boring tasks? The rich and shameless will have to find ways to give money to us proles so we can buy the goods and services that keep the rich in their lives of luxury.

I don't think it will end well. I do think that Jesus will return before AI/Robots can threaten the existence of mankind.
Yes, that theory is called "the Grinch's heart grew three sizes". The other theory is the "Godfather's offer that they can't refuse" either you take the mark of the beast which connects your brain to the AI or else you die.
 

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Be careful you don't fall for this logical fallacy

The argument goes like this, we have had technological advancements before, they displaced workers but they never caused depressions. For example, computers replaced typewriters. It used to be we had professional typists. No more. Or cars replaced the horse and buggy and put blacksmiths out of work, but they didn't cause a recession or depression.

Yes, cars put blacksmiths out of work, but they didn't replace people, they replaced horses. Word processors did not replace typists, they replaced typewriters.

We still needed people to make computers, sell computers, install computers, service them, program them, and operate them.

But now imagine you are making 1 million robots using robots to manufacture them, AI to sell and distribute them, AI to program them, and the robots are not replacing robots, they are replacing people.

Every technological advancement replaced something, but never before was that something people. It may have replaced a job that a person did, but it also created new jobs that people would have to do. So they were disruptive, but they didn't cause a recession. That all changes with AI and robots.
 

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AGI Just Got Real: OpenAI's Deep Research Breakthrough Changes Everything

College graduates will not be ready to be hired until June. I think this proves that many companies if not all will look at this and realize they do not need any new hires.
 

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Sam Altman says AI Usage Cost Falling 10x Every Year | Vantage with Palki Sharma | N18G

 

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How The Tesla Bot Will Break Reality