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Can anyone give me a good reason to vote for any of the potential candidates for president in 2016? I'll be honest with you, if this set of candidates is the best that we can find, we are in sad shape.
Have you considerred how Hillary Clinton is the most experienced and qualified for the job of President in 2016?
 
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How did isolationism work out for us?

Not so good. A weak USA is a huge problem for the world.

Ron Paul is a wacked out nutjob who needs a white jacket, not the white house
Something I've learned in life is that people who choose to use terminology like "wacked out" or "nutjob" have very little in the way of a logical argument. The issue here is that you simply don't like the idea of America minding its own business.
Tell me how well all this interventionism ends when you're so far in debt that the government collapses. It's only a matter of time.
 

Desdichado

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Something I've learned in life is that people who choose to use terminology like "wacked out" or "nutjob" have very little in the way of a logical argument.
That or they simply don't have the time to post a systematic argument so "wack job" "nutjob" or some other term will have to suffice (albeit poorly).

Or he could have a good argument lined up. Here SonInMe, I pitch it over to you. Explain why Ron Paul is a "nutjob."

The issue here is that you simply don't like the idea of America minding its own business.
A vague observation regarding foreign policy. What would constitute a nation "minding it's own business?"

Tell me how well all this interventionism ends when you're so far in debt that the government collapses. It's only a matter of time.
Non-sequitur. The US would be in debt regardless of most foreign policy positions her leaders have taken since the Kennedy administration. That is unless you want to use some really roundabout logic such as:

American power stabilizes global trade infrastructure.
Global trade infrastructure enables national debt.
Ergo American foreign policy is responsible for the national debt.
 
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Ya want Russia and China influencing the world?

Pre ww2, isolationist, small army..........ww2 happens.

Evil needs to be countered and you can only do that from strength. Sitting behind our doors is not good stewardship or wisdom.

Ron Paul is a wacked out nutjob, with issues of insanity. Cannot even comprehend anyone supporting him.
 

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I realize that the Lord can do anything, but it boggles my mind that persons like Pat Buchanan try to run for pretzel without first being one of these:

1) Veep,
2) Triumphant General,
3) Reprehensible Congersman
4) Sena Door
5) Governator.
 

Atwood

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Ya want Russia and China influencing the world?

Pre ww2, isolationist, small army..........ww2 happens.

Evil needs to be countered and you can only do that from strength. Sitting behind our doors is not good stewardship or wisdom.

Ron Paul is a wacked out nutjob, with issues of insanity. Cannot even comprehend anyone supporting him.

Russia & China are influential, want it or not.
Isolationist -- a tad of that would be a move in the right direction.
Evil? The USA is evil enough. So I guess it needs countering.
Give some thought to strangers & pilgrims doctrine.

So you are singing:

"I met him on the corner & my heart stood tall,
Da doo Ron Ron,
Da doo Ron Ron.
Somebody told me that his name was Paul,
Da doo Ron Ron,
Da doo Ron Ron.
 
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There is only one way I would support isolationism by the USA....so the world could rot without us.

Thing is the last time we did that it took many lives and billions and billions of dollars to fix.

Evil USA......ya wouldn't know what to do without us.
 
Aug 20, 2014
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Countries and people who call the USA evil wouldn't know what to do without us. If we're so evil, those countries that profess as much should renounce our financial aid. And that of those countries allied with us, just so they can remain consistent in their rhetoric.
 
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Countries and people who call the USA evil wouldn't know what to do without us. If we're so evil, those countries that profess as much should renounce our financial aid. And that of those countries allied with us, just so they can remain consistent in their rhetoric.
Countries don't call the USA anything. People do. But medically and financially aiding people who hate you??? Oh no, that sounds a bit like loving your enemies :O Mustn't do that.
 
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There is only one way I would support isolationism by the USA....so the world could rot without us.

Thing is the last time we did that it took many lives and billions and billions of dollars to fix.

Evil USA......ya wouldn't know what to do without us.
The world rots, with or without you. But the reasons it would rot without your financial aid are more to do with the debt culture paradigm America helped create that the world now relies on and less to do with you being an intrinsic pillar of stability..
 
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Carson has no political experience, so he will not be able to win 2016 elections. This doesn't make him a bad guy or any of that, merely he is not fit to be elected President in the 2016 cycle. Carson has a decent enough personal story and background. I think it be wise for him to run for a lesser office to build up experience for a solid 2020 or 2024 run.

As for 2016, Hillary Clinton might very well be the only viable option.
​Normally I would agree, except we don't have that long.
 
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​Normally I would agree, except we don't have that long.
Perhaps you are correct given the seriousness of the epoch we find ourselves living in. Nevertheless we can only hope for the best and try to keep doing as much good as possible and to trust God to have his will done.
 

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Have you considerred how Hillary Clinton is the most experienced and qualified for the job of President in 2016?
Yes! She has been groomed by the political elites for over 20 years. I have groomed my poodle for her whole life. My poodle thinks that she's best in show. Does that qualify her for the most prestigious show? I don't think so. We had a trial run with Hilary Clinton as SOS. Look at where we stand in the world today. Just as my poodle prancing around my living room doesn't qualify her for best in show, Hillary Clinton's prancing around the world doesn't qualify her to be president.

I apologize for the choice of comparisons. It is not meant as a derogatory slam at Mrs Clinton. Please don't take it that way. It is the only grooming comparison that I could think of.
 
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Yes! She has been groomed by the political elites for over 20 years. I have groomed my poodle for her whole life. My poodle thinks that she's best in show. Does that qualify her for the most prestigious show? I don't think so. We had a trial run with Hilary Clinton as SOS. Look at where we stand in the world today. Just as my poodle prancing around my living room doesn't qualify her for best in show, Hillary Clinton's prancing around the world doesn't qualify her to be president.

I apologize for the choice of comparisons. It is not meant as a derogatory slam at Mrs Clinton. Please don't take it that way. It is the only grooming comparison that I could think of.

Are you sure Hillary Clinton is a puppet to the elites and it is not the elites that rely moreso on Hillary because many peasants of America love her because she loves them?

Hillary could run as a Republican, Democrat, Independent even for all I or a good amount of people that do or do not know politics care for. Hillary is known and even the many scandals she been through show her to be a loyal woman to the cause of doing good for her people and for downtrodden all over earth. I used to think there big conspiracy with Hillary for years. There is no conspiracy no more though since wikileaks cables show her secret thoughts which are in line with public Hillary which shows a consistency of doing good and tenaciously defending the American people and oppressed people in the other nations.
 
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Are you sure Hillary Clinton is a puppet to the elites and it is not the elites that rely moreso on Hillary because many peasants of America love her because she loves them?

Hillary could run as a Republican, Democrat, Independent even for all I or a good amount of people that do or do not know politics care for. Hillary is known and even the many scandals she been through show her to be a loyal woman to the cause of doing good for her people and for downtrodden all over earth. I used to think there big conspiracy with Hillary for years. There is no conspiracy no more though since wikileaks cables show her secret thoughts which are in line with public Hillary which shows a consistency of doing good and tenaciously defending the American people and oppressed people in the other nations.
She ought to be famous.... Her & Bill are the richest presidential couple to date...... twice that of Bush sr.
 
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Ya want Russia and China influencing the world?

Pre ww2, isolationist, small army..........ww2 happens.

Evil needs to be countered and you can only do that from strength. Sitting behind our doors is not good stewardship or wisdom.

Ron Paul is a wacked out nutjob, with issues of insanity. Cannot even comprehend anyone supporting him.
Funny that you call China evil and yet your Congress awards them Most Favored Nation trading status.
You're another warhawk like the neocon Republicans (and, to a lesser extent, Democrats) who sit in Congress and send other people to fight their battles for them.
Now beat your chest and bear a smug look on your face. Your empire is reaching its end.
 
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There is only one way I would support isolationism by the USA....so the world could rot without us.

Thing is the last time we did that it took many lives and billions and billions of dollars to fix.

Evil USA......ya wouldn't know what to do without us.
I could do without what you've become. Pour more money into Homeland Security and enjoy your nascent police state. You're beyond hope. And save your professed altruism. You don't care about the world. You care about how it can be used to your advantage.
 
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Countries and people who call the USA evil wouldn't know what to do without us. If we're so evil, those countries that profess as much should renounce our financial aid. And that of those countries allied with us, just so they can remain consistent in their rhetoric.
The U.S. can never do an evil thing, can they?
 
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That or they simply don't have the time to post a systematic argument so "wack job" "nutjob" or some other term will have to suffice (albeit poorly).

Or he could have a good argument lined up. Here SonInMe, I pitch it over to you. Explain why Ron Paul is a "nutjob."



A vague observation regarding foreign policy. What would constitute a nation "minding it's own business?"



Non-sequitur. The US would be in debt regardless of most foreign policy positions her leaders have taken since the Kennedy administration. That is unless you want to use some really roundabout logic such as:

American power stabilizes global trade infrastructure.
Global trade infrastructure enables national debt.
Ergo American foreign policy is responsible for the national debt.
How would the U.S. be in so much debt without the military-industrial complex out fighting bogeymen abroad and the CIA stirring up conflict in foreign nations?
 

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There is only one way I would support isolationism by the USA....so the world could rot without us.

Thing is the last time we did that it took many lives and billions and billions of dollars to fix.

Evil USA......ya wouldn't know what to do without us.
So what do you think? Did the USA actually do anything but wast money, limbs, & lives by going into Iraq to teach them how to be good humanists?