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ZNP

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I believe you completely misunderstand my position here. I'm talking about the political as it is, all the way around, not the rally in specific - aka, this is a Christian forum and so I posted speaking to other fellow Christians about our reactions to injustice, and the political in general.
I believe there are many Christians who are moving forward carefully. At the Stop the Steal rallies you had "Jericho March" which is a Christian organization. You have Mike Lindell who is moving forward on election fraud as a Christian. You have Steve Bannon who is not afraid to show his conservative Christian values. You have parents going to school board meetings, and others getting involved at the precinct level. The rule is "faith without works is dead".
 

Hazelelponi

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I believe there are many Christians who are moving forward carefully. At the Stop the Steal rallies you had "Jericho March" which is a Christian organization. You have Mike Lindell who is moving forward on election fraud as a Christian. You have Steve Bannon who is not afraid to show his conservative Christian values. You have parents going to school board meetings, and others getting involved at the precinct level. The rule is "faith without works is dead".
Faith without works is indeed dead as the Holy Scripture tells us, but faith is in Christ and works further God's Kingdom and Glorify His name - anything less and you can't call them works.

Less right now is much by way of the political We can't make a false idol out of politics and government.

Some political fights are righteous, like abortion, other things? Not so much...
 

ZNP

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Faith without works is indeed dead as the Holy Scripture tells us, but faith is in Christ and works further God's Kingdom and Glorify His name - anything less and you can't call them works.

Less right now is much by way of the political We can't make a false idol out of politics and government.

Some political fights are righteous, like abortion, other things? Not so much...
Without fair elections you don't have democracy. Everything hangs on it.

I don't think they are making any more out of it than Esther and Mordecai did in their day.
 

Hazelelponi

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Without fair elections you don't have democracy. Everything hangs on it.

I don't think they are making any more out of it than Esther and Mordecai did in their day.
We aren't old testament Israel, period.

One of the most unjust governments on earth was the Roman government Christ and His disciples and apostles lived under.

We can't read the Holy Scripture where Paul talks about young widows and orphans without tears, knowing their Christian husbands and fathers were dying horrific deaths in the Colosseum for sport and entertainment, all because their Lord was Christ

Did they take up arms, protest or even much complain? No, they did not because Christ was their Lord.

We did all we could do last presidential election. We voted our conscience's, we took our grievances before the courts as outlined in the constitution, and we lost. Whether that loss was unjust or not matters nothing.

The path before us as Children of God is to vote people in place who will guard against corruption, and pray that such an occurrence never happens again.

Besides that, we have to realize we will eventually feel like we lost all in the spiritual war, and we will see horrors and be the brunt of very real and serious injustices before the Second Advent - but that's okay and nothing to us, no matter what they dish out, because our Lord will come. No sign waving necessary. His Kingdom is the one He's preparing - not any we tried to prepare.
 

ZNP

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We aren't old testament Israel, period.

One of the most unjust governments on earth was the Roman government Christ and His disciples and apostles lived under.

We can't read the Holy Scripture where Paul talks about young widows and orphans without tears, knowing their Christian husbands and fathers were dying horrific deaths in the Colosseum for sport and entertainment, all because their Lord was Christ

Did they take up arms, protest or even much complain? No, they did not because Christ was their Lord.

We did all we could do last presidential election. We voted our conscience's, we took our grievances before the courts as outlined in the constitution, and we lost. Whether that loss was unjust or not matters nothing.

The path before us as Children of God is to vote people in place who will guard against corruption, and pray that such an occurrence never happens again.

Besides that, we have to realize we will eventually feel like we lost all in the spiritual war, and we will see horrors and be the brunt of very real and serious injustices before the Second Advent - but that's okay and nothing to us, no matter what they dish out, because our Lord will come. No sign waving necessary. His Kingdom is the one He's preparing - not any we tried to prepare.
Everything in the New Testament, everything in Paul's ministry exposes the tyrants.

Jesus was crucified because they saw His ministry as a threat to their power structure. The priests had cut a deal with the Romans. Everything Jesus did threatened their rule over the Jews and if that fell then the Jews would no longer be Roman puppets.

If you do not see that everything in this age is either under Satan or under Jesus and that everything is a spiritual battle then pray for the Lord to open your eyes that the enemy would no longer blind you. This war in Ukraine is all about the spiritual warfare. The Roe v. Wade decision is a spiritual warfare and that is certainly tied to the Presidential election. Inflation and the 110 food processing plants burned down is part of this warfare. The single best way to control people and force them to take the one world government is to make them dependent on this government for food.
 

Hazelelponi

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If you do not see that everything in this age is either under Satan or under Jesus and that everything is a spiritual battle then pray
I most certainly do see everything as a spiritual battle, a battle of the flesh, and a battle of the world.

The world, the flesh, and the devil. We are boxed in, in this life on all sides, but IN Christ we can overcome

Don't focus only on one side, when all sides are being attacked simultaneously... If you only look in one direction, you'll loose in the directions your not looking.

I will be praying for you. God bless you and yours.
 
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But you have decided to ignore the hard evidence regarding massive election fraud, and that is definitely not in keeping with Christ's requirement for both justice and mercy. You have also ignored the fact that 17 states brought a lawsuit to the Supreme Court about this election fraud, and SCOTUS refused to look at the evidence.

Had you been concerned with justice you would have investigated this matter as others have done. So you are in fact siding with evildoers, and those who do so become partakers of their evil deeds.

May 8, 2022
The riveting ‘2000 Mules’ proves there was massive election fraud

By Andrea Widburg


Dinesh D’Souza is an effective filmmaker and he didn’t disappoint with 2000 Mules, a riveting documentary examining the way leftist organizations used activists to stuff ballots in the 2020 election (and the 2020 Georgia run-off election that handed the Senate to the Democrats). However, after watching it, I felt there were some unanswered questions that also deserve scrutiny so I hope D’Souza follows up on these issues.

2000 Mules begins with the premise that Trump voters have found it impossible to believe that Trump lost the election. When they contrast his campaign appearances (60,000 screaming fans) with Biden’s campaign appearances (6 vaguely animated lumps sitting in little circles); the bellwether counties states showing Trump winning by a large margin; the significant gains Trump made with Hispanics and Blacks; the millions of votes Trump gained over the four years of his presidency; and the mysterious overnight counting shut-down in the states that ultimately gave Biden his “victory,” they know that something is wrong.

The folks at True the Vote also suspected that something was wrong, very wrong. The founder, Catherine Engelbrecht, working with Gregg Philips and a team of computer analysts, came up with a very clever way to determine whether there was fraud. They suspected as much, thanks to the way in which Democrats in key states used COVID as an excuse to increase absentee voting. That included states which allowed only absentee voting with drop boxes across cities and towns, where there had been massive ballot harvesting. That is, people, both real and fake, didn’t fill out their own ballots. Instead, they were collected, completed, and put into drop boxes by partisan and paid activists.

To prove this theory, True the Vote obtained geo-tracking information for major urban areas in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona, allowing them to follow cell phone signals. They marked all the drop boxes and all the facilities for left-wing non-profits. They then looked for cell phones that traveled between the non-profits and drop boxes at least ten times (to be sure to winnow out statistical noise). Through FOIA requests, they also obtained as many videos as they could showing people stuffing multiple ballots into the drop boxes, a completely illegal act.

Their data revealed 2,200 mules in just five cities, visiting between 20 and 45 drop boxes each, at which they dropped off an average of five ballots. When you do the math, the numbers are staggering: https://electionfraud20.org/2000-mules/

They only get worse when you contemplate the fact that 10 trips per mule is an exceptionally high bar and that these were just mules in five cities. When one considers the small margin by which Biden “won” in the disputed states, had these mules not been active, Trump would have won the election by a medium to huge margin.

D’Souza also speaks to Hans von Spakovsky about the various methods of committing election fraud and to a think-tank head (whose name I forgot to note down) who explains how various leftist non-profits, helped with Zuckerberg’s $419,000,000 handout, focused on creating voters, rather than promoting their candidate.

The movie is clear and competent: D’Souza carefully walks Engelbrecht and Philips through their methodology and findings. He also talks to well-known Salem Radio* hosts (Sebastian Gorka, Dennis Prager, Charlie Kirk, Larry Elder, and Eric Metaxas) to gauge the effect information had on their preconceived ideas about election fraud. All but Prager suspected fraud before seeing the evidence and felt that the data proved it. As for Prager, he went from being agnostic to believing that there was indeed significant fraud in the election.

As for me, I’ve long felt that Biden could only have attained the White House through fraud, for the reasons mentioned above, so the evidence True the Vote gathered merely confirmed my suspicions. However, I was left with two questions.

The first was which left-wing organizations made the fraud happen. The movie never names them, presumably because they are being investigated or because D’Souza wants to avoid a defamation suit. Both are good reasons but not identifying them diminished the movie a little.

Second, and more importantly, the movie failed to explain what happened the night of the election. As best as I could tell (and I could be completely wrong about this), the mules were operating for days or even weeks before the election—as opposed to frantic drop box fraud the night of the election itself. Assuming my version of events, on the night of the election, in all the jurisdictions in which the mules were at work, Trump had a compelling lead as of 11 at night. And then, in each of those jurisdictions, something happened that had never happened before: The counting stopped.

When it resumed, Biden was magically in the lead. Did the mules affect those numbers too? Or was it the case that, even with help from the mules, the numbers still didn’t add up for Biden, so the Democrats had to go to Plan B?

(By the way, AP immediately “fact checked” the movie. I didn’t find the “fact check” compelling because it ignored something important: True the Vote didn’t just look at people who repeatedly went near a drop box. As the movie carefully explained, it also made sure that the people repeatedly went to leftist non-profits and visited multiple drop boxes. It is a frantic, angry, aggressive, and incomplete “fact check.” In other words, just what you’d expect from AP.)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._proves_there_was_massive_election_fraud.html
This is absurd. Sorry for the one liner, but Satan is messing with your mind!
 
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This is absurd. Sorry for the one liner, but Satan is messing with your mind!
I agree with your viewpoint. Yeah, you always claim that Satan is speaking when someone disagrees with you. It gets tiresome.