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OstrichSmiling

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You know that the government is the pharisees and sadducees. God does deal with that. Because if there was no one to govern sin, there would really be chaos. If Jesus was here today, he would not be interested in the government at all. Why is his body so interested in something he wouldn't be interested in. That is something I have wondering for a long time.
The contemporary Pharisees and Sadducee? Our government? Where would the temple be? What faith did the Pharisee and Sadducee of old uphold and defend? Is America a Jewish Theocracy then?

Jesus was a revolutionary. Both in the religious realm he addressed as well as in the political.
 

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The contemporary Pharisees and Sadducee? Our government? Where would the temple be? What faith did the Pharisee and Sadducee of old uphold and defend? Is America a Jewish Theocracy then?

Jesus was a revolutionary. Both in the religious realm he addressed as well as in the political.
I would have said that Jesus was not concerned with the governance of Cesar. Why are we so concerned instead of worshiping God and helping people.
 

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I would have said that Jesus was not concerned with the governance of Cesar. Why are we so concerned instead of worshiping God and helping people.
We arrive at our observations concerning Jesus and his activities in the ancient Roman occupied world because we live in our own nation of politics. However, in Jesus' time there was no separation of church and state.

The temple under Roman rule operated because the elders paid duty to Rome for the privilege. Jesus was a threat to Rome because he was charismatic and drew enormous crowds of followers. In his test before Pilate the Roman Governor Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world. However, that utterance did inform Pilate that Jesus did indeed lead a kingdom.
Jesus lived in an occupied territory wherein the occupier, Rome, thought it a divine duty to rule the whole world. Jesus in his teaching put a limit on that idea of conquest in the Book of Mark. “Give to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s” (Mark 12:16).

When Jesus was told of Herod Antipas, ruler of Galilee and Perea , desire to take his life Jesus was defiant. Something Caesars, governors, and other high officials in the Roman power grid were not use to nor prone to tolerating.
Luke 13:31-35
31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
 
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The contemporary Pharisees and Sadducee? Our government? Where would the temple be? What faith did the Pharisee and Sadducee of old uphold and defend? Is America a Jewish Theocracy then?

Jesus was a revolutionary. Both in the religious realm he addressed as well as in the political.
Why would Jesus try to help a Kingdom that is not his. If this kingdom is not his, then it has to be the devils. This is a dying world. John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
 

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Why would Jesus try to help a Kingdom that is not his. If this kingdom is not his, then it has to be the devils. This is a dying world. John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
He helped this kingdom when he arrived as God in flesh and saved us from ourselves. Where does the Bible say Jesus will establish his kingdom when all that Revelation says shall transpire in the end is fulfilled?
 
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He helped this kingdom when he arrived as God in flesh and saved us from ourselves. Where does the Bible say Jesus will establish his kingdom when all that Revelation says shall transpire in the end is fulfilled?
He helped this kingdom when he arrived as God in flesh and saved us from ourselves. Where does the Bible say Jesus will establish his kingdom when all that Revelation says shall transpire in the end is fulfilled?
Matthew 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. His kingdom is in heaven. Do you understand how this world is ran. It's ran on systems that have been set up by satan.
 
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He helped this kingdom when he arrived as God in flesh and saved us from ourselves. Where does the Bible say Jesus will establish his kingdom when all that Revelation says shall transpire in the end is fulfilled?
Matthew 23: 13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
 

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“The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. ’” (Luke 17:20-21)


John 16
13.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.





Matthew 6
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.’
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Revelation 11
15. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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pjharrison

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“The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. ’” (Luke 17:20-21)


John 16
13.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.





Matthew 6
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.’
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Revelation 11
15. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelations 11: haven't happened yet.
 
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pjharrison

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Matthew 23:13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

Luke 11:42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
Matthew 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. ( This means you walk in the spirit while you are living on the earth.)
Mark 12:16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. 17. Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.
Because there is a different between the two. The government of this kingdom. And the government of The Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is within.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Revelations 11: haven't happened yet.
Yes, I am aware of that.
Revelation 11 supports further what I said here: "He helped this kingdom when he arrived as God in flesh and saved us from ourselves. Where does the Bible say Jesus will establish his kingdom when all that Revelation says shall transpire in the end is fulfilled? "
 
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pjharrison

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Yes, I am aware of that.
Revelation 11 supports further what I said here: "He helped this kingdom when he arrived as God in flesh and saved us from ourselves. Where does the Bible say Jesus will establish his kingdom when all that Revelation says shall transpire in the end is fulfilled? "
His kingdom is already established in heaven.
 

OstrichSmiling

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I don't dismiss scriptures wherein God speaks of the establishment of his kingdom come.
 
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