Allow me to be clear as sometimes I'm not so much. 
I don't know to whom you are referring when you speak of "the other guy". Personally, I have no issue with S&F. I've been stopped and right after someone in front of me was too. We were both very different profiles and yet I understood why it was being done. I have nothing to hide and understand why an officer would stop me, or feel the need, and ask questions. To note, not everyone who is stopped is patted down. There is dialog first. Police know how to read people. If someone looks suspicious, or seem frightened, that's to be expected, however, that's why the questions police ask change depending on the manner of fear displayed. Fear of being caught? Fear of being thought a bad guy? They know. I wasn't frisked, I was asked two questions, I volunteered my ID and I was free to continue on.
As an aside, an hour later when I journeyed back in that same direction to return to our hotel, about a block from where I was questioned there were police units, lights flashing, as they attempted to put three young men into different squad cars. Why? Asking the officer I'd encountered who remained on the scene after the units departed, it turned out two of the young men were strapped, and their third companion had a bowie knife in his cowboy boots. He thought his wide leg jeans would cover the boots and make them less suspicious. He was wrong. NYC is one of the most surveilled (CC's) cities in America.
The knife guy had a warrant out of a different state and for violent crime. One of the other young men was on parole, so it was illegal to carry and it is illegal to do so in NYC anyway. And the third man who was strapped tried to fight the single cop who had initially tried to stop them and after giving him a lot of vulgar lip.
Now, the question there is, why were three 20 something guys,one one parole, one with a violent offender warrant out of a different state, strapped and walking in NYC on a summer day? And why would a 20 something year old third guy need a 12 inch Bowie knife in NYC?
Would any reasonable person want to find out the hard way? Or would they instead thank God two 9's with extended clips and a Bowie knife were found before those weapons found a target?
For those not familiar with knives, this is a Bowie knife:
The blade can be anywhere from five to twelve inches in length. Depending on the "model" Bowie one wants.
When they're walking in NYC it is. Precisely. However, how does one discern that illegal gun is there if they don't act on seeing a bulge on their hip as they walk? Guns tend to have a very distinct shape when concealed without a holster and under long shirts or deep pockets. When someone walks, the bulge on their thigh, in the case of pocket concealed, is apparent even under a long shirt. Lets contain this discussion to the domain of Bloomberg. NYC.
And in NYC holster or no, it is illegal. If someone out of state has a CC permit for their home state that doesn't transfer to NYC automatically. They stop all races of people in S&F. And in NYC due to the Sullivan act/law, probable cause occurs if anyone is carrying a gun in the city. And as I mentioned, police can scan car registrations now without ever getting out of their patrol car. They can roll behind or beside someone and run a scan. If that cars registered owner has warrants, is on parole, or is acting suspicious seeing police near them, that's probable cause.
Can I tell you something? S&F predates Bloomberg. Bloomberg was all for it as a Mayor of NYC. He's now apologizing so as to gain the black vote, which tells us he's profiling S&F markers even now. And another thing, S&F as of 2019 was still happening. No need to think it stopped this year.
I don't know to whom you are referring when you speak of "the other guy". Personally, I have no issue with S&F. I've been stopped and right after someone in front of me was too. We were both very different profiles and yet I understood why it was being done. I have nothing to hide and understand why an officer would stop me, or feel the need, and ask questions. To note, not everyone who is stopped is patted down. There is dialog first. Police know how to read people. If someone looks suspicious, or seem frightened, that's to be expected, however, that's why the questions police ask change depending on the manner of fear displayed. Fear of being caught? Fear of being thought a bad guy? They know. I wasn't frisked, I was asked two questions, I volunteered my ID and I was free to continue on.
As an aside, an hour later when I journeyed back in that same direction to return to our hotel, about a block from where I was questioned there were police units, lights flashing, as they attempted to put three young men into different squad cars. Why? Asking the officer I'd encountered who remained on the scene after the units departed, it turned out two of the young men were strapped, and their third companion had a bowie knife in his cowboy boots. He thought his wide leg jeans would cover the boots and make them less suspicious. He was wrong. NYC is one of the most surveilled (CC's) cities in America.
The knife guy had a warrant out of a different state and for violent crime. One of the other young men was on parole, so it was illegal to carry and it is illegal to do so in NYC anyway. And the third man who was strapped tried to fight the single cop who had initially tried to stop them and after giving him a lot of vulgar lip.
Now, the question there is, why were three 20 something guys,one one parole, one with a violent offender warrant out of a different state, strapped and walking in NYC on a summer day? And why would a 20 something year old third guy need a 12 inch Bowie knife in NYC?
Would any reasonable person want to find out the hard way? Or would they instead thank God two 9's with extended clips and a Bowie knife were found before those weapons found a target?
For those not familiar with knives, this is a Bowie knife:
When they're walking in NYC it is. Precisely. However, how does one discern that illegal gun is there if they don't act on seeing a bulge on their hip as they walk? Guns tend to have a very distinct shape when concealed without a holster and under long shirts or deep pockets. When someone walks, the bulge on their thigh, in the case of pocket concealed, is apparent even under a long shirt. Lets contain this discussion to the domain of Bloomberg. NYC.
And in NYC holster or no, it is illegal. If someone out of state has a CC permit for their home state that doesn't transfer to NYC automatically. They stop all races of people in S&F. And in NYC due to the Sullivan act/law, probable cause occurs if anyone is carrying a gun in the city. And as I mentioned, police can scan car registrations now without ever getting out of their patrol car. They can roll behind or beside someone and run a scan. If that cars registered owner has warrants, is on parole, or is acting suspicious seeing police near them, that's probable cause.
Can I tell you something? S&F predates Bloomberg. Bloomberg was all for it as a Mayor of NYC. He's now apologizing so as to gain the black vote, which tells us he's profiling S&F markers even now. And another thing, S&F as of 2019 was still happening. No need to think it stopped this year.
