Bundy Ranch Nutters Cowardly plan to use female human shields
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but glad you posted this. I came across some interesting information on this story I doubt has been reported widely.
The radio talk show I listen to cited an article from, I believe it was the Free Republic website. This story was also up on a government site as well but was quickly pulled.
Seems the government want the land this rancher has, that has been in his family for well over 100 years.
They want to build a solar power ''farm'' in which they produce electricity and solar panels.
Ok, sounds legit right?
Harry Ried the representative from this state, Nevada is heavily involved.
His son heads up the push to bring in a...chinese investment firm to build this solar farm. Ried is also involved financially.
Once again some democrat is going to make millions from a shady government deal with green tech.
Its a scam. Hopefully the national news media will pick this story up. As far as I know even Fox News has not.
but glad you posted this. I came across some interesting information on this story I doubt has been reported widely.
The radio talk show I listen to cited an article from, I believe it was the Free Republic website. This story was also up on a government site as well but was quickly pulled.
Seems the government want the land this rancher has, that has been in his family for well over 100 years.
They want to build a solar power ''farm'' in which they produce electricity and solar panels.
Ok, sounds legit right?
Harry Ried the representative from this state, Nevada is heavily involved.
His son heads up the push to bring in a...chinese investment firm to build this solar farm. Ried is also involved financially.
Once again some democrat is going to make millions from a shady government deal with green tech.
Its a scam. Hopefully the national news media will pick this story up. As far as I know even Fox News has not.
Harry Reids Crony Capitalism Behind Showdown With Nevada Rancher?
found the story....interesting, eh?
found the story....interesting, eh?
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I seen a video of them making the feds retreat, Didn't see them using anyone using human shields in that video (Not saying it didn't happen but I'd like to see the video of it, there has been embedded reporters there since the whole thing started). It was more like a bunch of male rednecks on horseback brandishing rifles telling them to leave.
Angry people say dumb things. I think he was trying to make a point when he said we considered putting the women up front, He was exaggerating to make a point on their resolve and what he thought the Feds were capable of doing.
Hopefully the feds will not use this angry statement as a justification for killing of civilians. Why not use this justification. the tactic has worked elsewhere in the world.
Hopefully the feds will not use this angry statement as a justification for killing of civilians. Why not use this justification. the tactic has worked elsewhere in the world.
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More stupidity from David in England about something he obviously does not understand that is happening in the USA.
I'll let a smelly pothead hippie liberal non-Christian Democrat explain it to David_1 because even such a person as that understands the situation far better than David_1 though not nearly as well as myself, of course:
[video=youtube_share;TFHyTNthKZM]http://youtu.be/TFHyTNthKZM[/video]
I'll let a smelly pothead hippie liberal non-Christian Democrat explain it to David_1 because even such a person as that understands the situation far better than David_1 though not nearly as well as myself, of course:
[video=youtube_share;TFHyTNthKZM]http://youtu.be/TFHyTNthKZM[/video]
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Ah, Australia. Thanks.
The actual point David_1 is that you AGAIN created a thread with a title that is a GROSS misrepresentation of the situation as usual.
That IS the point NOT where you're from.
And you're sticking by your false assertions and misrepresentation AFTER being refuted. So dumb. So deceitful.
The actual point David_1 is that you AGAIN created a thread with a title that is a GROSS misrepresentation of the situation as usual.
That IS the point NOT where you're from.
And you're sticking by your false assertions and misrepresentation AFTER being refuted. So dumb. So deceitful.
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Whoa, check this story out. A 16 year old kid from California got in an argument with his parents and went to the nearest airport, jumped the fence, walked over to a big jet passenger plane and crawled up in the wheel well where he flew to Hawaii at 38,000 feet!
16-Year-Old Survives in Wheel Well of Maui Flight - ABC News
Here's a 14 year old boy named Keith Sapsford trying it in 1970 and not making it:
"According to a report released in 2012 by the FAA there have been 96 people who have tried to hitch rides on airplanes since 1947. In all cases they have tried to get into the wheel wells on 85 different flights. Only 14% of these have survived which considering the risks involved and the harsh conditions this is no surprise. Some of these risks include tinnitus, deafness, hypothermia, hypoxia, frostbite and acidosis. There is no heat or oxygen in an aircraft’s wheel wells. There is also the chance that the person will fall when trying to climb into the wheel well and if he makes it he could get mangled by the landing gear. There is also a risk of falling out when the landing gear is lowered. Interestingly enough the youngest recorded survivor was nine years old."
Nine Year Old Keeps Climbing with Delta
WOW!
16-Year-Old Survives in Wheel Well of Maui Flight - ABC News
Here's a 14 year old boy named Keith Sapsford trying it in 1970 and not making it:
"According to a report released in 2012 by the FAA there have been 96 people who have tried to hitch rides on airplanes since 1947. In all cases they have tried to get into the wheel wells on 85 different flights. Only 14% of these have survived which considering the risks involved and the harsh conditions this is no surprise. Some of these risks include tinnitus, deafness, hypothermia, hypoxia, frostbite and acidosis. There is no heat or oxygen in an aircraft’s wheel wells. There is also the chance that the person will fall when trying to climb into the wheel well and if he makes it he could get mangled by the landing gear. There is also a risk of falling out when the landing gear is lowered. Interestingly enough the youngest recorded survivor was nine years old."
Nine Year Old Keeps Climbing with Delta
WOW!
Heh been following this situation for a few days now and I was starting to wonder when it might get on CC.com lol.
Well first things first, where I stand from the info I have seen so far I find this to actually be quite an interesting situation for sake of analyses of American Politics. It's quite a hard case to take sides on too. Personally, if I were forced to chose I'd have to side with the Government on this one due to the fact Bundy grazed on public land without license or permission thus technically one could charge him with Poaching. Though I do have to add the way the Feds handled the situation is very dismal and also I think the 1 million dollar fine might be a bit much. However, the militias enterring the fray makes this a very tricky situation, and while I respect their right to protest, whenever we have militias involved no matter what nation, one must be wary and cautious.
Here is the information I have seen so far in relation to the Bundy Ranch Standoff:
Feds tazing Protestors Uploaded April 9th:
(note of caution: some cussing and police violence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA
Here we can see that the reason people are angry and why the militias assembled was due to police brutality. This is the main reason people are angry and justifiably so.
Interview with Rancher Cliven Bundy on FOX News Hannity uploaded April 9th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armAcbEO1PE
[video=youtube;armAcbEO1PE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armAcbEO1PE[/video]
This is first mention of the "Desert tortoise" argument (environmentalism argument). Lol I think the rancher is correct on this point that the desert tortoise is a run-around non-issue. However note Hannity does a good job of pointing out some background on Bundy and we also get a picture of the terrain and map. And of course this clip is significant since we get the Rancher himself's point of view
So I think from these two videos we can all ready deduce the Militia Factor. The Militias are involved for reasons of the early protests being cracked down upon and the Rancher himself in the interview implies he might have a hand in calling in some of the militias. Regardless of the rancher's right or wrong in the situaton also in the protest video we can see the Locals of his area support him, despite the fact that the Rancher himself admits to breaking the law.
(Going to do a second post in a bit to fit in the other info I have that deals with the Politics of the situation.)
Well first things first, where I stand from the info I have seen so far I find this to actually be quite an interesting situation for sake of analyses of American Politics. It's quite a hard case to take sides on too. Personally, if I were forced to chose I'd have to side with the Government on this one due to the fact Bundy grazed on public land without license or permission thus technically one could charge him with Poaching. Though I do have to add the way the Feds handled the situation is very dismal and also I think the 1 million dollar fine might be a bit much. However, the militias enterring the fray makes this a very tricky situation, and while I respect their right to protest, whenever we have militias involved no matter what nation, one must be wary and cautious.
Here is the information I have seen so far in relation to the Bundy Ranch Standoff:
Feds tazing Protestors Uploaded April 9th:
(note of caution: some cussing and police violence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA
Here we can see that the reason people are angry and why the militias assembled was due to police brutality. This is the main reason people are angry and justifiably so.
Interview with Rancher Cliven Bundy on FOX News Hannity uploaded April 9th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armAcbEO1PE
[video=youtube;armAcbEO1PE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armAcbEO1PE[/video]
This is first mention of the "Desert tortoise" argument (environmentalism argument). Lol I think the rancher is correct on this point that the desert tortoise is a run-around non-issue. However note Hannity does a good job of pointing out some background on Bundy and we also get a picture of the terrain and map. And of course this clip is significant since we get the Rancher himself's point of view
So I think from these two videos we can all ready deduce the Militia Factor. The Militias are involved for reasons of the early protests being cracked down upon and the Rancher himself in the interview implies he might have a hand in calling in some of the militias. Regardless of the rancher's right or wrong in the situaton also in the protest video we can see the Locals of his area support him, despite the fact that the Rancher himself admits to breaking the law.
(Going to do a second post in a bit to fit in the other info I have that deals with the Politics of the situation.)
Now to part 2 of my initial analyses of this situation. Let us examien the Politics Aspect of this situation. One must keep in mind it is year 2014 and elections the Two Party system is gearing up for election and have now thrown themselves into the situation to use as political leverage against eachother to try to win an election.
Now in the more mainstream media this situation has turned into the familiar pro/anti-militia and pro/anti-gun rights bullcrap debacle. Obviously this is not the main issue in this situation, but is in fact an escalation of the situation.
The Democrats have indicated they will be taking the side of the Feds. This is the correct side in my point of view, only problem is the Democrats are totally overlookign the police brutality that escalated this situation and of course Harry Reid the Senate Majority Leader (#2 most powerful Democrat after Obama) has stirred up the situation by branding the militias and supporters of the Rancher as "Domestic terrorists." If anyone is familiar with Harry Reid (commonly referred to as Dirty Harry) they will know he is a shrewd politician, quite Machiavellian in stratagem, and he is also been a politician for a long time.
Here is the article in which Harry Reid makes his "domestic terrorist" statement. Also note his co-Senator from the same state is in opposition to him and calls the militias "patriots". Posted April 18th
Harry Reid defends ‘domestic terrorists’ comments – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Now Harry Reid does have some good points, it is true there should be no guns involved here and that the Rancher is in clear violation of the law. However I think its fair to say Harry Reid has ulterior motives like he always does. Clearly he is dramatising the situation for Party Politics. Though this doesn't let the maisntream GOPers off the hook because let's face it; they are wrong to take the side of the Rancher whom is in clear violation of the law.
The big problem here with the now mainstream politicizing of this event is now its all about The Militias. The Militias aren't even the crux of the problem. The two main points at the heart of this situation are: Federalism and Grazing Rights.
This is a video clip from an ex-state senator Jim Rubens who is running for US Senate as a Republican. This be a good guy to vote for. Very logical and calm. This guy puts the situation in the correct perspective without any partisan bullcrap in my opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7R246ZdToo
[video=youtube;N7R246ZdToo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7R246ZdToo[/video]
Now in the more mainstream media this situation has turned into the familiar pro/anti-militia and pro/anti-gun rights bullcrap debacle. Obviously this is not the main issue in this situation, but is in fact an escalation of the situation.
The Democrats have indicated they will be taking the side of the Feds. This is the correct side in my point of view, only problem is the Democrats are totally overlookign the police brutality that escalated this situation and of course Harry Reid the Senate Majority Leader (#2 most powerful Democrat after Obama) has stirred up the situation by branding the militias and supporters of the Rancher as "Domestic terrorists." If anyone is familiar with Harry Reid (commonly referred to as Dirty Harry) they will know he is a shrewd politician, quite Machiavellian in stratagem, and he is also been a politician for a long time.
Here is the article in which Harry Reid makes his "domestic terrorist" statement. Also note his co-Senator from the same state is in opposition to him and calls the militias "patriots". Posted April 18th
Harry Reid defends ‘domestic terrorists’ comments – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Now Harry Reid does have some good points, it is true there should be no guns involved here and that the Rancher is in clear violation of the law. However I think its fair to say Harry Reid has ulterior motives like he always does. Clearly he is dramatising the situation for Party Politics. Though this doesn't let the maisntream GOPers off the hook because let's face it; they are wrong to take the side of the Rancher whom is in clear violation of the law.
The big problem here with the now mainstream politicizing of this event is now its all about The Militias. The Militias aren't even the crux of the problem. The two main points at the heart of this situation are: Federalism and Grazing Rights.
This is a video clip from an ex-state senator Jim Rubens who is running for US Senate as a Republican. This be a good guy to vote for. Very logical and calm. This guy puts the situation in the correct perspective without any partisan bullcrap in my opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7R246ZdToo
[video=youtube;N7R246ZdToo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7R246ZdToo[/video]
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I did after I posted. My bad. I assumed it was the video circulating of the incident itself. After I viewed the video, it's clear they did talk about that as a possibility but ruled against it.
You used the word "plan" in your title as a noun with a present tense. A better way to have structured that sentence would be 'Bundy Ranch Supporters Discussed Using Women and Children As Human Shields' and then clarifying in your attached post that they chose not to.
That way there's no ambiguity or intent to deceive your readers present. Something to consider for your future posts.
I agree with you that would have been the wrong tactic and an act of either cowardice or misguidedness on their part.
Judging from other videos of the incident itself and the courage they displayed during the confrontation, it's clear to me these people are not cowards so while such an act can rightfully be labeled cowardly; the people themselves are not actually cowards making such an act misguided imo.
Your valid video and the point they did discuss such an action aside, the situation itself is somewhat complex as the young man in the video I posted points out.
You used the word "plan" in your title as a noun with a present tense. A better way to have structured that sentence would be 'Bundy Ranch Supporters Discussed Using Women and Children As Human Shields' and then clarifying in your attached post that they chose not to.
That way there's no ambiguity or intent to deceive your readers present. Something to consider for your future posts.
I agree with you that would have been the wrong tactic and an act of either cowardice or misguidedness on their part.
Judging from other videos of the incident itself and the courage they displayed during the confrontation, it's clear to me these people are not cowards so while such an act can rightfully be labeled cowardly; the people themselves are not actually cowards making such an act misguided imo.
Your valid video and the point they did discuss such an action aside, the situation itself is somewhat complex as the young man in the video I posted points out.
(fails to see how God is praised by this thread)
if the Bundy's argument is that even though they never held a deed to or paid a penny of tax for the land, they've grazed on it for generations -- then the feds and the ranchers are both trespassing on Shoshone land, to be honest.
the courts have been ordering him off the land since 1998.
if the Bundy's argument is that even though they never held a deed to or paid a penny of tax for the land, they've grazed on it for generations -- then the feds and the ranchers are both trespassing on Shoshone land, to be honest.
the courts have been ordering him off the land since 1998.