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CS1

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social media sites like Facebook and Twitter are mostly paid for by advertisements and sponsors
I'm not sure what that has to do with them having the right to enforce theirterms and conditions that you will agree to upon creating your account
FYI to you so please you are wrong.
 
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kaylagrl

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You can't really compare a gay wedding cake to inciting insurrection
imagine I went into Walmart and started encouraging customers to violently take over Walmart and then have the nerve to act persecuted when Walmart tells me I'm not allowed back on the property
also I think this is the third time I've said this but a business has the right to protect themselves from liability
Threats of violence are a liability

Come on man! You know Twitter and FB are shutting down free speech. They allow what they support and shut down what they don't like. They are not a news site, but think they are. Nothing that Trump has said merits shutting him down. They are two faced, they claim they are for free speech but they aren't. Dems are utter hypocrites. Consider the following...

Ayatollah - Israel a “cancerous growth” to be “uprooted and destroyed” And called Jews, including Trumps SIL a "dirty Zionist"

Head of twitter Dorsey's response to whether the comments should be taken down were they were “comments on current affairs.” He also said of the Ayatollah saying Holocaust never happened “Somebody who denied the Holocaust is not misinformation,” Dorsey said. He seems to have no issue backing the Ayatollah saying "“We believe it’s important for everyone to hear from global leaders, and we have policies around world leaders,” Dorsey said. “We want to make sure we are respecting their right to speak and to publish what they need.” Farrakhan has an account on Twitter for pity sake, one of the most anti-Semitic men in the country. If anyone instigates and spreads hate it's that man.
 

Magenta

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oh yeah stop discriminating against me. All I'm doing is going on social media calling for violence insurrection
Stop changing the subject you introduced.

Can people discriminately deny service to others, or not? You say yes. The law says no.
 

Nehemiah6

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The right has been dozing.
You are correct. There has been no "right" in America for a long time. Not just "dozing" but actually betraying America and their constituents.

And Donald Trump made three huge mistakes in spite of his excellent platform and agenda: (1) he ran as a Republican knowing that almost all the Republicans were RINOs and hated him, (2) he failed to thoroughly purge the D.C. Swamp when he could have done it within the first 90 days of his term (which would have meant locking up Obama, Biden, Clinton, and all their co-conspirators), and (3) he surrounded himself with traitors and Judases instead of men and women of integrity and patriotism, who agreed with him 100%. Now America will pay the price for these serious mistakes.

Something else which billionaire Trump could have done (with the help of other like-minded billionaires or even ordinary citizens) is to have Donald Trump Jr. set up an independent TV and news and social media network which was committed to free speech and conservatism. This should have happened almost immediately (and there was even talk about this which simply fizzled out). But because there was no counter-balancing network, the MSM took full control, and even Fox News proved itself to be another Leftist organ.

Over the last four years Big Tech has worked day and night to monopolize communications and also censor free speech and anything that opposes the Left. And there was definitely a plot to steal the 2020 election after the shock of seeing Trump win in 2016. Trump should have been fully aware of this, and an independent investigative commission should have been set up immediately to investigate the way elections were being conducted nationwide. Even Leftists Klobuchar and Warren complained about Dominion, so there was really no excuse to avoid a proper criminal investigation. This negligence has cost Trump his victory and driven American towards totalitarianism.
 

Smoke

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I disagree "corporate welfare" is a dog whistle term coined by the socialist left who want all the middle class to come under the welfare of the Government. when people realize the Government doesn't make money they take money from us and use it to control our very actions. This is why the middle class is under assault by the left. They very well may finish us off and we all will move into the haves and have not.
I mean, lots of non-socialists think it's a bit unfair Exxon and Amazon get huge tax credits and don't end up paying anything while mom and pop shops have to pay their taxes. Regardless of the creator of the term, "corporate welfare" is a perfect description for giving big corporations these tax breaks.

It's just interesting you use the fact these big corporations benefit from tax breaks while controlling speech as if they owe anyone the need to be objective and fair. If you're for corporate welfare, then don't be against it when they continue to behave immorally and censor people on their respective platforms.
 

Smoke

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there are many people in jail for violating one's civil rights.
That's a paper tiger. Violating someone's civil rights can be either a civil and/or criminal offense. "Civil case" does not equate to "civil rights violation" as your previous post states explicitly... As I said, some civil cases aren't even about anything illegal, let alone about someone's civil rights being violated.
 

Smoke

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"Hate speech" is a lie created by the socialist left., Anyone who disagrees with a Democrat is hate speech. saying the following is hate speech to aa democrats leader today and Bernie Sander AOC socialist here is hate speech to these foolish leaders:

  1. saying homosexuality is a sin
  2. using the words HE, SHE, Mother, father
  3. saying sexual preference
  4. saying BLM and ANTIFA are rioters
  5. saying All lives matter
  6. Voting and supporting President Trump
  7. calling the China virus the " China Virus".
  8. asking for voter ID in all states
  9. asking for all to come in legally into the United States
  10. having restrooms for males and females only
  11. preventing transgender child abuse
  12. Being a Conservative Christian
  13. teach the Bible as the word of God
and that is just off the top of my head.
It's definitely something they want to get in the official "hate speech" bucket, that's for sure. Agree with this post.
 

Smoke

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The principle you cited was:

A business can decide not to do business with someone else

So can a business owner decide, or not? Many think not.
That's the million dollar questions.

I try to answer consistently, regardless of the scenario. I think if a business owner decides he doesn't want to make a gay cake, then he/she shouldn't have to. They are the one's financing their own business and should run it how they see fit. I'll go a step further and sound like a radical to some, if a Black owner of a bakery wants to deny service to all White people, I'm obviously against it on a moral level, but 100% for him having the right to refuse service.

I wouldn't really want to give my money to someone who doesn't really want to serve me anyways. I understand the anti-discrimination law, but I think that should apply to public services and not private services. It's almost impossible to legislate morals.
 
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SophieT

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Except it was Trump and his followers who radicalized these peopleby convincing them that the election had been stolen from them when they in fact legitimately lost
Google made the decision parler due to their failure to moderate hate speech and threats of violence
this is how the free market works. A business can decide not to do business with someone else
FB started out as a site rating women in collage.

Boy they sure have grown.

Now they are rating Americans and only approving of those who support the false kingdom of Joe the Chinese trader.
 

Embankment

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That's the million dollar questions.

I try to answer consistently, regardless of the scenario. I think if a business owner decides he doesn't want to make a gay cake, then he/she shouldn't have to. They are the one's financing their own business and should run it how they see fit. I'll go a step further and sound like a radical to some, if a Black owner of a bakery wants to deny service to all White people, I'm obviously against it on a moral level, but 100% for him having the right to refuse service.

I wouldn't really want to give my money to someone who doesn't really want to serve me anyways. I understand the anti-discrimination law, but I think that should apply to public services and not private services. It's almost impossible to legislate morals.
I would suggest you watch the movie Mississippi Burning.
 
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SophieT

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Elon Musk took another shot at Mark Zuckerberg by calling Facebook 'lame' and saying people should delete it
Mark Matousek
Feb 10, 2020, 12:13 PM


Elon Musk. Kiichiro Sato / Associated Press
  • Elon Musk said on February 8 that Facebook is lame and people should delete it.
  • Musk has said that Facebook unsettles him.
  • The Facebook accounts for Tesla and SpaceX, the two companies for which Musk serves as CEO, were deleted in 2018.
So here we have an actual genius who is leery of facebook.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and Musk have disagreed about the future of artificial intelligence. While Zuckerberg has said AI could one day improve health and safety, Musk has said the potential capabilities of AI make it more dangerous than nuclear weapons and has called Zuckerberg's understanding of AI "limited."

Now let's all call Musk stupid and ignorant and dumb, just like Trump. When you can do what either of those 2 men have done, even HALFWAY, then you might have something to garble about.

Otherwise, you are just a water carrier for the left.
 
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SophieT

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TECHNOLOGY, IN OTHER NEWS
Tim Cook disapproves Facebook’s business model
DECCAN CHRONICLE.
PublishedMar 30, 2018, 7:03 pm IST
UpdatedMar 30, 2018, 7:03 pm IST

At a town hall event in Chicago, CEO criticises Facebook for monetising users’ personal information.

Though the interview of MSNBC is scheduled to air on April 6th, the network has released few clips this week, in which Tim Cook bashed against Facebook.
Apple’s CEO Tim Cook has bashed Facebook’s business model and saying detailed profiles of individual’s information shouldn’t exist on any social media platform.
At the Town hall event in Chicago with MSNBC and the technology website Recode, Cook was asked, ‘what if you are in the shoes of Mark Zuckerberg right now?’ and how would he handle in the current Cambridge Analytica scenario.


“What would I do? I wouldn’t be in that situation, Tim Cook replied.
Though the interview of MSNBC is scheduled to air on April 6th, the network has released few clips this week, in which Tim Cook bashed against Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg and his company are facing boycotts and investigations over the ongoing fiasco.
Regarding this fiasco, Tim Cook stated “If we monetized our customer, if our customer was our product, we could make a ton of money,” Cook said. “We’ve elected not to do that … We’re not going to traffic in your personal life. Privacy to us is a human right, a civil liberty,” he said.


Cook also said that it is preceding time to regulate Facebook. “I think the best regulation is no regulation, is self-regulation,” he said. “However, I think we’re beyond that here.”
Last week Tim Cook also stated regarding social media that, “I think that this certain situation is so dire and has become so large that probably some well-crafted regulation is necessary.”
Tim Cook commenting against Facebook is not new, in 2015, Cook stated, “When an online service is free, you’re not the customer. You’re the product,” he wrote in an open letter to Apple customers in 2014.


Mark Zuckerberg had already apologised against the debacle and in newspaper ads in the UK as well.
“You are not our product,” Cook declared. “You are our customer. You are a jewel, and we care about the user experience, and we're not going to traffic in your personal life,” Tim Cook said in Chicago’s hall event.
However, Tim Cook is not only the one tech giant bashing Facebook, SpaceX’s Elon Musk had also deleted his rocket company’s Facebook pages, which had 2.6 million followers, and later tweeted What’s Facebook? on his Twitter account.


Oh come on. Zuckerberg would never do that. Nothing to see here either. Zuckerberg lies as easily as most of us breathe.
 
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SophieT

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People who run multi national corporations and have more money than Midas, have no use for facebook, or Zuckerberg.

Facebook, it turns out, is not free and never was. How much is your privacy worth and why are you afraid to say anything that might get you censored?

Hello? If that is the case, I would suggest you already are censored.
 
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SophieT

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I mean, lots of non-socialists think it's a bit unfair Exxon and Amazon get huge tax credits and don't end up paying anything while mom and pop shops have to pay their taxes. Regardless of the creator of the term, "corporate welfare" is a perfect description for giving big corporations these tax breaks.

It's just interesting you use the fact these big corporations benefit from tax breaks while controlling speech as if they owe anyone the need to be objective and fair. If you're for corporate welfare, then don't be against it when they continue to behave immorally and censor people on their respective platforms.

oh but but but...Big Tech loves peole. Look how nicely Mark has provided for you and Google will sell you anything you want with most of it coming from China.

Twitter allows you to follow people and make comments as if you were famous too.

Why should they pay taxes when they make people so happy?
 
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If you have noticed many conservatives are being targeted by big tech, Left media, and the Democratic leadership. The POTUS Twitter account was blocked and he has been removed from Facebook. This is a serious thing happening because it is the start of what will happen in the greater amount on January 20th. ""Forbes magazine’s chief content officer delivered a stark warning to companies that might consider hiring Kayleigh McEnany, Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and other former spokespeople in the Trump White House: "(FoxNews).


This is how it starts. I must say 2021 will be very much greater challenging than 2020. I have closed my Twitter account, FB, and the left removed my Parler access. I have no more social media other than CC. In 30 days my FB will be permanently closed. I would encourage all too fast and pray I have no excuses not to, because I will not be on those other "woke " outlets and have more time for the prayer and the word of God and family.

What are your thoughts?
Here are my thoughts.
After many years of not wanting anything to do with Facebook because of what I had seen others doing with it, I ignored it until January 2019 when I started using it for the sole purpose of connecting with family and friends from the past and to minister the Gospel with our Church media presence.
On my personal FB I only connect with friends that I know in real life. My criteria is that I must have met them face to face and know them and interacted with them. I reject all friend requests if I don't know them.

It has been wonderful to reconnect with close Christian friends going back 30 years and pick up where we left off, reestablishing ties through Facebook posting. People have found me as well. Even a woman who worked in the soul winning ministry with me 30 years ago and found me recently. We are now fast friends again after all these years planning on visiting one another and working in the ministry together again. Facebook is great for that. It has now become the number one online church service streaming platform since the covid lockdowns.

It is no time to be deleting your Facebook account brother. Just learn how to use it for the glory of God. Stay out of the politics fray and stick to the Gospel. The servant of the Lord must not strive and it is almost impossible to talk about politics or vaccines on the internet without a full blown argument ensuing.

Most of my family barely use FB and all of my friends are Godly Christians and their posts are edifying. If one of my friends posts political posts or conspiracy theory posts I immediately stop following them. I don't unfriend them, I just stop following them so that I will not see their posts. I do this because their posts usually annoy me and I don't want to be annoyed. LOL. I also do it because I don't want to take the bait and argue with people on the internet.

I do have close Christian friends that I have lost respect for due to their conspiracy theory and political posts. I still love them, but I would not appoint them to leadership positions in my church because they don't show mature discernment based on their posts. They don't realize that these things ruin their ministry chances.

CC is the only place I engage in discussion about vaccines and conspiracy theories but now that the vaccines are finally tested, approved and getting distributed I think my job of being a voice of reason is over and I have lost interest in rebutting conspiracy theorists so I will probably quit engaging.

Discussing bible doctrines on CC has always been edifying to me and is not the same as arguing on Facebook. I won't engage in a discussion about doctrine on a Facebook post.

Our church people are going to be using Facebook as a church communication tool so it is good for ministers to know how to use it wisely as a tool for ministry, encouragement, Gospel dissemination tool, but not for political posts, or conspiracy theories.

Unfollowing those posters works for me.
 

Kojikun

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Inciting violence is very clearly on TOS and they have the right too. That being said I cant help but notice the double standard. The leftist propaganda and violence is usually ignored or even glorified. A leftist friend of mine posted several things about it as he likes to point out the hypocrisy on the left. If these facts are true it's an issue no doubt. Also to add to credibility a leftist site I'm familiar with is calling Amazon for the censorship of Parlor. So even some on the left see this biased.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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I have deactivated Facebook but will use it on an as-needed basis. My apt social group is quite active so if I want to sell my furniture, get information, I will use it. I also have a lot of extended family on FaceBook and that's my only contact for them. They are close to my parents so I should remain in contact with them. Coworkers add me to Facebook and I do not always like this, as I cannot be open about religion or politics; most are openly athiests. I do have a number of people from church but they are more like acquaintances. About 10 people in leadership know that I voted for Trump in 2016, and I'm sure the news has spread, so I know how they feel about me. My close friends have my phone number or email. Facebook has some postives but the negatives have outweighed the positives over time. There are also too many ads.
 

Kojikun

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I have deactivated Facebook but will use it on an as-needed basis. My apt social group is quite active so if I want to sell my furniture, get information, I will use it. I also have a lot of extended family on FaceBook and that's my only contact for them. They are close to my parents so I should remain in contact with them. Coworkers add me to Facebook and I do not always like this, as I cannot be open about religion or politics; most are openly athiests. I do have a number of people from church but they are more like acquaintances. About 10 people in leadership know that I voted for Trump in 2016, and I'm sure the news has spread, so I know how they feel about me. My close friends have my phone number or email. Facebook has some postives but the negatives have outweighed the positives over time. There are also too many ads.
I have few other ways rn to communicate with family and friends due to covid. I also think social media is great for sharing the Gospel and is perfect for people with social anxiety. It really is unfortunate that it's so monopolized at this point. This why antitrust laws are important, because competition is an American staple.
 

CS1

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Here are my thoughts.
After many years of not wanting anything to do with Facebook because of what I had seen others doing with it, I ignored it until January 2019 when I started using it for the sole purpose of connecting with family and friends from the past and to minister the Gospel with our Church media presence.
On my personal FB I only connect with friends that I know in real life. My criteria is that I must have met them face to face and know them and interacted with them. I reject all friend requests if I don't know them.

It has been wonderful to reconnect with close Christian friends going back 30 years and pick up where we left off, reestablishing ties through Facebook posting. People have found me as well. Even a woman who worked in the soul winning ministry with me 30 years ago and found me recently. We are now fast friends again after all these years planning on visiting one another and working in the ministry together again. Facebook is great for that. It has now become the number one online church service streaming platform since the covid lockdowns.

It is no time to be deleting your Facebook account brother. Just learn how to use it for the glory of God. Stay out of the politics fray and stick to the Gospel. The servant of the Lord must not strive and it is almost impossible to talk about politics or vaccines on the internet without a full blown argument ensuing.

Most of my family barely use FB and all of my friends are Godly Christians and their posts are edifying. If one of my friends posts political posts or conspiracy theory posts I immediately stop following them. I don't unfriend them, I just stop following them so that I will not see their posts. I do this because their posts usually annoy me and I don't want to be annoyed. LOL. I also do it because I don't want to take the bait and argue with people on the internet.

I do have close Christian friends that I have lost respect for due to their conspiracy theory and political posts. I still love them, but I would not appoint them to leadership positions in my church because they don't show mature discernment based on their posts. They don't realize that these things ruin their ministry chances.

CC is the only place I engage in discussion about vaccines and conspiracy theories but now that the vaccines are finally tested, approved and getting distributed I think my job of being a voice of reason is over and I have lost interest in rebutting conspiracy theorists so I will probably quit engaging.

Discussing bible doctrines on CC has always been edifying to me and is not the same as arguing on Facebook. I won't engage in a discussion about doctrine on a Facebook post.

Our church people are going to be using Facebook as a church communication tool so it is good for ministers to know how to use it wisely as a tool for ministry, encouragement, Gospel dissemination tool, but not for political posts, or conspiracy theories.

Unfollowing those posters works for me.

during the pandemic, FB and Youtube were great tools to minister to people. Out church stayed open and many of our elderly we advised them to stay home and those high risk. The services were provided on Youtube and FB and now live screen each Sunday while having inside church services. The issue I have FB is the over-controlling of the narrative the POTUS posted Merry Christmas FB would have " the election was won fair " under all Trump FB Post. They provided a "Fact checker" that could not be verified yet that same fact-checking system was sued and lost.
 

CS1

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I mean, lots of non-socialists think it's a bit unfair Exxon and Amazon get huge tax credits and don't end up paying anything while mom and pop shops have to pay their taxes. Regardless of the creator of the term, "corporate welfare" is a perfect description for giving big corporations these tax breaks.

It's just interesting you use the fact these big corporations benefit from tax breaks while controlling speech as if they owe anyone the need to be objective and fair. If you're for corporate welfare, then don't be against it when they continue to behave immorally and censor people on their respective platforms.
but what do they do with it? have you ever asked those who work for EXXON what they think? the oil companies over the Obama Presidency had many regulations we were paying gas to almost 5$ gal. Who got all that money? Obama left the wh with over 12 mil and Joe 22 mil . Hilary Clinton as Sectary of State lost 16 million$ just gone.


Remember the ones who cry the most about corporate stealing of others are stealing the most corporately.

Bernice sander had his election nod stolen twice and was paid 12 mil the first time and 22 mil the second time. Yet he used those Bernie supporters like prostitutes and they all fall for it.