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J7

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Stop making things up and deal with facts Trofimus. You have got a long way away from the original discussion.
 

trofimus

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Stop making things up and deal with facts Trofimus. You have got a long way away from the original discussion.
Yes, me... not you.

Putin is not any Christian leader and does not defend "us" against Islam. He is very friendly to Islam. He defends the interests of Russia. Not yours, not mine.

The same with Trump, of course. They are not defending Europe, they have other interests.
 
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J7

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Like I say Trofimus, facts please, not unsubstantiated waffle.

Ok, I see you do not accept that ISIS is Islamic. That is fair enough, but another discussion.
The bottom line though is that Putin does not want Islamic radicals in Russia, full stop. Go and read his comments and discern his actions.

Regarding Christianity, Putin is very vocally Christian; he does not accept gay marriage for instance. Again, go do some research.
 

J7

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Here’s Why the Left-Wing Media Despise This Man
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[TD]No man and no nation on earth is attacked more often and more viciously than Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia. Highly popular in Russia, Putin has not attacked even one country and, in fact, is a defender of beleaguered Syria. It can be truly said that the Russian people have more freedom and liberty than do Americans. Why, then, do the media—especially the left wing and the Democrat Party—so hate Putin and Russia?
The comments by Putin here, which he gave at a recent press conference, reveal the reasons why Putin is the object of scorn, hatred, and lies. Putin courageously stands up for and defends Christian values. Compare his views (yournewswire.com) with the notoriously wicked behavior of American Presidents Clinton and Obama. Putin is a breath of fresh air amidst an American—jaundiced world of hellish conduct and demonic propaganda.
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[TD]Russian President Vladimir Putin defended Christianity and traditional values at a recent press conference.
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Vladimir Putin has used his annual press conference to accuse Western liberal elites of abandoning the traditional values that made their countries great. According to Putin, instead of building a future based on solid Christian values, Western elites have created a culture of “excessive, exaggerated political correctness.” This is so destructive it will lead to the downfall of Western civilization if it is not arrested.In a nearly four-hour question and answer session, the Russian president held forth on the state of his country and the world, saying that there is an international push for a New World Order that will “remove national sovereignty” and “destroy indivividual identity and God-created diversity.” Putin states that Western elites have begun rejecting the roots that their society was built on.
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[TD]“Many Western states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization. In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied—national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized.
“In a corrupt new way, these countries treat a homosexual partnership as equal to a traditional family with children. There is no distinction as to sex and gender. This leads to moral confusion and a breakdown of society. It is damaging to the history of peoples and leads them astray.
“The excesses and exaggerations of political correctness in these countries indeed leads to serious consideration for the legitimization of parties that promote the propaganda of pedophilia.
“The people in many European states are actually ashamed of their religious affiliations and are indeed frightened to speak about them.”
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[TD]Homosexual rock group, Pussy Riot, outrageously went into a church and interrupted worship services with their foul-mouthed language and sexually depraved behavior. They were promptly arrested by the Russian police and subsequently received prison terms. In the United States, their conduct would have earned them no more than a slap on the wrist. This is one of the reasons America’s left-wing media is constantly attacking Putin. The media positively despises anyone who will defend Christianity and morality.
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[h=1]“Faith in God Equal to Faith in Satan?”[/h]Putin says that the situation has become so extreme in Western culture that people are now taught that, “Faith in God is equal to faith in Satan.” To say otherwise, Putin notes, would be to risk being politically incorrect—the great crime of our age.
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[TD]“Christian holidays and celebrations are abolished or ‘neutrally’ renamed, as if one were ashamed of those Christian holidays. With this method, one hides away the deeper moral values of these celebrations.
“And these countries try to force this model onto other countries, globally. I am deeply convinced that this is a direct way to the degradation and primitivization of culture. This leads to deeper demographic and moral crisis in the West. What can be a better evidence for the moral crisis of a human society (in the West) than the loss of its reproductive function?
“Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values which have formed and been developed over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity.”
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[TD]“At the same time as this immoral process is continuing at a national level in the West, we observe on an international level the attempts to create a unipolar, unified model of the world, to relativize and remove institutions of international right and national sovereignty.
“In such a unified, unipolar world there is no place for sovereign states. Such a world needs merely vassals.
“From a historical perspective, such a unipolar world would mean the surrender of one’s own identity and of God-created diversity.”

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A sad event. Prayers for the families of those who lost their lives, and prayers for the survivors and their families.

In my opinion, events such as this should be Prayed about, and Prosecuted not Politicized.
 

J7

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Are we allowed to pray for our leaders, or would that politicize our prayers?
 
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