Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

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ResidentAlien

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The constitution and government of America were made to work in conjunction with a culturally Christian populace from Europe.
That's not exactly true. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were based on the principles of morality and liberty, not strictly on Christianity. If that were true, why are the words "Christian" or "Jesus" not found in either one of them. The founders weren't as concerned about the source of a person's morality so long as they were moral. It should be obvious the founders didn't have just one religion in mind.
 
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The system for LEGAL IMMIGRATION was already established a long time ago (or are you not aware of that?).

Every immigrant had to wait his or her turn to be vetted and approved for entry. Some had to wait for months or years. And a proper and rigorous system would not have allowed people to abuse the "refugee" and "asylum seeker" status to simply walk in for military purposes (which is now happening with Chinese and Middle Eastern military age men who are creating "sleeper cells" right inside the USA).

The law rejects CRIMINALS, GANGSTERS, AND TERRORISTS from freely entering. But Biden and Mayorkas decided that the existing laws should be totally disregarded and gave an OPEN INVITATION to the worlds crooks and terrorists and handed over the border to the Mexican cartels! That was essentially treason. And in fact all the border patrol personnel should have flatly refused to break the law -- all as a united group of law-abiding citizens -- because they were committed to upholding the law. Had they ALL stood firm and walked off the job, things could have been quite different.

So to put things right it would be necessary to (1) round up each and every migrant who entered illegally since January 2021, (2) deport all of them to Mexico, (3) demand that Mexico sort them out first ( and lock up the criminals and gangsters) and require that each one apply according to the existing laws, and (4) then vet the applications and turn away all bogus applicants. That is in fact the Christian thing to do, since (1) God hates lawlessness and (2) God requires the safety and security of legal citizens against evildoers.

Common sense would have said that the entry of MULTIPLE MILLIONS of illegals without any vetting of any kind would be a major disaster, but the idiots on the Left do not have any common sense or any sense at all. And then to treat them like royalty at tax-payer expense was criminal. The tax payers are being made to suffer and are under serious threat because of these foolish and evil decisions.
At this point I don't care when they came here illegally. It's like if I scam someone continuously for 5 years or more, do we get to call it a legal business because of how long it's been. Send them all back.
 
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That's not exactly true. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were based on the principles of morality and liberty, not strictly on Christianity. If that were true, why are the words "Christian" or "Jesus" not found in either one of them. The founders weren't as concerned about the source of a person's morality so long as they were moral. It should be obvious the founders didn't have just one religion in mind.
At the same time, you didn't see people of other religions thinking up similar principles for governance. When a bunch of cultural Christian people work on something ideological, it will be influenced by Christianity. There's no avoiding that. We don't see other religious populations coming up with such ideas for governance.
 

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Hitler and the Germans were fighting against communists. Generally right wing movements want to restore boundaries and order. I suppose the most mild form of right wing is wanting to maintain things as they are. Left wing movements want to remove boundaries and generally produce chaos and degeneracy. Both of these come with strong, heavy-handed governments.
It's been a long time since I've seen a Hitler apologist on a Christian website. Hitler didn't fight the Communists until long after he destroyed western Europe. And it wasn't just Jews he was killing either. Try visiting a camp sometime to see the results of "restoring order." I visited Dachau twice. It's not the luxury resort you seem to think it is.
 

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It's been a long time since I've seen a Hitler apologist on a Christian website. Hitler didn't fight the Communists until long after he destroyed western Europe. And it wasn't just Jews he was killing either. Try visiting a camp sometime to see the results of "restoring order." I visited Dachau twice. It's not the luxury resort you seem to think it is.
Unfortunately he seems to be affected by these fringe ideas on the Internet.
 

ResidentAlien

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At the same time, you didn't see people of other religions thinking up similar principles for governance. When a bunch of cultural Christian people work on something ideological, it will be influenced by Christianity. There's no avoiding that. We don't see other religious populations coming up with such ideas for governance.
I agree, the Constitution and Bill of Rights were influenced by Christian thought; but they were influenced by a lot of other kinds of thought as well. The USA wasn't founded as a Christian nation. The Puritans wanted a Christian commonwealth but that didn't go anywhere. Nowhere is it written, or even implied, that a person has to be a Christian to be a US citzen.
 

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I don't know. Clue me in on what you mean by "traditionally handled?"
With permission.

Tell me how many of these illegals live with you?
Do you give whomever wants entry to your place of residence entry or do they need permission?
 

HeIsHere

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I agree, the Constitution and Bill of Rights were influenced by Christian thought; but they were influenced by a lot of other kinds of thought as well. The USA wasn't founded as a Christian nation. The Puritans wanted a Christian commonwealth but that didn't go anywhere. Nowhere is it written, or even implied, that a person has to be a Christian to be a US citzen.
That is not what "christian nation" means.
 

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That is not what "christian nation" means.
The founding fathers never intended their new nation to become "Christian." Many or most of them were deists who didn't believe in the deity of Christ. They desired that "one nation under God" to encompass many religious/faith perspectives where God would hopefully be the ultimate source of its prosperity and success.

It was fresh in their minds the type of "Christian" nation that England tried to enforce. The king held the ultimate authority, and the Anglican church persecuted other believers who didn't conform to "king and country" first. The founding fathers desired a new nation where liberty and law would see their ultimate fruition in the constitution and a balance of power to keep evil and autocracy in check.

God to them was viewed kind of like a watch maker. He created the world, but then stepped back into the background to let the machinery run on its own.
 
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It's been a long time since I've seen a Hitler apologist on a Christian website. Hitler didn't fight the Communists until long after he destroyed western Europe. And it wasn't just Jews he was killing either. Try visiting a camp sometime to see the results of "restoring order." I visited Dachau twice. It's not the luxury resort you seem to think it is.
Hitler was fighting communists in Germany.
 
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Unfortunately he seems to be affected by these fringe ideas on the Internet.
The thing I presented were real history. The communist revolution in Germany can be found on something as plain and mainstream as Wikipedia. The list of leaders that's mostly Jewish is also there.

The change in the German economy from disaster to thriving is also real history. You can search for Hitler as Time Magazine's person of the year and information about the German economic miracle of the 30s. Hitler didn't destroy Germany. An invasion destroyed Germany. All attempts by Hitler and the Germans to establish peace with the UK and the west side of them are not common knowledge. Did you know Hitler was actually vying for peace?

Most people don't know about this stuff. All they know is Hitler is the most evil man in the world that launched an execution program that killed 6 million or billion or quintillion Jews. They present Hitler as trying to take over the world, but I haven't seen anything real that suggests he was trying to do that. Meanwhile, the communists and Soviet Union were the ones that wanted to forcibly takeover the whole world. The Soviet Union was actually interested in conquering all of Europe and subjecting them to Soviet communism. They had their eyes on the rest of the world (by force, scheme, or revolution) but were going to start with Europe.

Jews think Hitler and Jesus are the two most evil, horrible people in the world. Typical Christians completely agree with one and completely disagree with the other. Meanwhile all of the communist devils don't get all of the same lying propaganda applied to them.

Real Hitler and propaganda Hitler are two different people. The real Hitler was a German nationalist that loved his own people and wanted them to be thriving and strong. The bankers and other nations of the West didn't want that. The UK for example didn't want an economically thriving Germany to compete with. It seems a war with the Soviet Union was inevitable. I have heard someone say in video that Soviet documents were found that state they were going to declare war on Germany about a week after Germany declared war on them. I tried to find a text reference to that and couldn't, but knowing about the Soviet Union and their agenda to forcibly spread communism to Europe, I will take it as truth.

Real history is banker's history. What do the bankers want? What are they doing? Where were they present? Germany removed them and their usury. Iraq decided not to play their game anymore and established a gold-backed currency to sell their oil in. Iraq needed to be destroyed and have their Rothschild bank installed there. Libya tried the same thing under Ghaddafi. Ghaddafi needed to die ("We came. We saw. He died, hahaha.") Iran and North Korea are both evil, horrible places that the good and noble United States needs to invade. They're the only two places left without one of these central banks. North Korea is subject to a horrible, controlling dictator. They don't care about any of that stuff, only about the bank. Iceland and El Salvador might need to get added to the list of evil, horrible countries we need to invade or destroy. I'm not aware of the current status of Iceland, but they didn't treat their bankers too kindly years ago. Right now El Salvador decided to give up on banker's funny money and use Bitcoin. They are also violating "human rights" by locking up all the gangsters and violent criminals, making their country the safest one on the American continents. Sounds like we need to invade them and fight for the human rights of murderous criminals.
 

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The thing I presented were real history. The communist revolution in Germany can be found on something as plain and mainstream as Wikipedia. The list of leaders that's mostly Jewish is also there.

The change in the German economy from disaster to thriving is also real history. You can search for Hitler as Time Magazine's person of the year and information about the German economic miracle of the 30s. Hitler didn't destroy Germany. An invasion destroyed Germany. All attempts by Hitler and the Germans to establish peace with the UK and the west side of them are not common knowledge. Did you know Hitler was actually vying for peace?

Most people don't know about this stuff. All they know is Hitler is the most evil man in the world that launched an execution program that killed 6 million or billion or quintillion Jews. They present Hitler as trying to take over the world, but I haven't seen anything real that suggests he was trying to do that. Meanwhile, the communists and Soviet Union were the ones that wanted to forcibly takeover the whole world. The Soviet Union was actually interested in conquering all of Europe and subjecting them to Soviet communism. They had their eyes on the rest of the world (by force, scheme, or revolution) but were going to start with Europe.

Jews think Hitler and Jesus are the two most evil, horrible people in the world. Typical Christians completely agree with one and completely disagree with the other. Meanwhile all of the communist devils don't get all of the same lying propaganda applied to them.

Real Hitler and propaganda Hitler are two different people. The real Hitler was a German nationalist that loved his own people and wanted them to be thriving and strong. The bankers and other nations of the West didn't want that. The UK for example didn't want an economically thriving Germany to compete with. It seems a war with the Soviet Union was inevitable. I have heard someone say in video that Soviet documents were found that state they were going to declare war on Germany about a week after Germany declared war on them. I tried to find a text reference to that and couldn't, but knowing about the Soviet Union and their agenda to forcibly spread communism to Europe, I will take it as truth.

Real history is banker's history. What do the bankers want? What are they doing? Where were they present? Germany removed them and their usury. Iraq decided not to play their game anymore and established a gold-backed currency to sell their oil in. Iraq needed to be destroyed and have their Rothschild bank installed there. Libya tried the same thing under Ghaddafi. Ghaddafi needed to die ("We came. We saw. He died, hahaha.") Iran and North Korea are both evil, horrible places that the good and noble United States needs to invade. They're the only two places left without one of these central banks. North Korea is subject to a horrible, controlling dictator. They don't care about any of that stuff, only about the bank. Iceland and El Salvador might need to get added to the list of evil, horrible countries we need to invade or destroy. I'm not aware of the current status of Iceland, but they didn't treat their bankers too kindly years ago. Right now El Salvador decided to give up on banker's funny money and use Bitcoin. They are also violating "human rights" by locking up all the gangsters and violent criminals, making their country the safest one on the American continents. Sounds like we need to invade them and fight for the human rights of murderous criminals.
Poor guy was just misunderstood.
 

Nehemiah6

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The founding fathers never intended their new nation to become "Christian."
Not precisely. But they established the United States on Christian principles, and Christianity shaped the polity of America until the atheists and Communists hijacked the country. "One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" is included in the Pledge of Allegiance. And even though the influence of Freemasons was very strong, the currency of the USA said "In God We Trust".

The Christian Pilgrims who came on the Mayflower to America came to have liberty for Christian worship. The Puritans who came later were strong Christians who also wanted Christianity to flourish in the USA. Until 1962 the Lord's Prayer was recited in public schools. '"Since 1789, the House of Representatives has begun each legislative day with a prayer," said the court's opinion, which was filed by Tatel.'
 

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The thing I presented were real history. The communist revolution in Germany can be found on something as plain and mainstream as Wikipedia. The list of leaders that's mostly Jewish is also there.

The change in the German economy from disaster to thriving is also real history. You can search for Hitler as Time Magazine's person of the year and information about the German economic miracle of the 30s. Hitler didn't destroy Germany. An invasion destroyed Germany. All attempts by Hitler and the Germans to establish peace with the UK and the west side of them are not common knowledge. Did you know Hitler was actually vying for peace?

Most people don't know about this stuff. All they know is Hitler is the most evil man in the world that launched an execution program that killed 6 million or billion or quintillion Jews. They present Hitler as trying to take over the world, but I haven't seen anything real that suggests he was trying to do that. Meanwhile, the communists and Soviet Union were the ones that wanted to forcibly takeover the whole world. The Soviet Union was actually interested in conquering all of Europe and subjecting them to Soviet communism. They had their eyes on the rest of the world (by force, scheme, or revolution) but were going to start with Europe.

Jews think Hitler and Jesus are the two most evil, horrible people in the world. Typical Christians completely agree with one and completely disagree with the other. Meanwhile all of the communist devils don't get all of the same lying propaganda applied to them.

Real Hitler and propaganda Hitler are two different people. The real Hitler was a German nationalist that loved his own people and wanted them to be thriving and strong. The bankers and other nations of the West didn't want that. The UK for example didn't want an economically thriving Germany to compete with. It seems a war with the Soviet Union was inevitable. I have heard someone say in video that Soviet documents were found that state they were going to declare war on Germany about a week after Germany declared war on them. I tried to find a text reference to that and couldn't, but knowing about the Soviet Union and their agenda to forcibly spread communism to Europe, I will take it as truth.

Real history is banker's history. What do the bankers want? What are they doing? Where were they present? Germany removed them and their usury. Iraq decided not to play their game anymore and established a gold-backed currency to sell their oil in. Iraq needed to be destroyed and have their Rothschild bank installed there. Libya tried the same thing under Ghaddafi. Ghaddafi needed to die ("We came. We saw. He died, hahaha.") Iran and North Korea are both evil, horrible places that the good and noble United States needs to invade. They're the only two places left without one of these central banks. North Korea is subject to a horrible, controlling dictator. They don't care about any of that stuff, only about the bank. Iceland and El Salvador might need to get added to the list of evil, horrible countries we need to invade or destroy. I'm not aware of the current status of Iceland, but they didn't treat their bankers too kindly years ago. Right now El Salvador decided to give up on banker's funny money and use Bitcoin. They are also violating "human rights" by locking up all the gangsters and violent criminals, making their country the safest one on the American continents. Sounds like we need to invade them and fight for the human rights of murderous criminals.
While you're partly correct, it's not smart to make blanket statements such as 'Jews think Hitler and Jesus are the two most horrible evil people in the world'. That ambiguous statement puts a damper on the rest of your ideas.
Jews know the spirit of hatred is against them, Hitler became the mouthpiece for that. The number of Pharisees and Sadducees around are minimal compared to the amt of Messianic Jews and Jews who accept Jesus as a good man. Most Jews are seeing Christians as their best friends in the world and of course, there are the spiritually blind ones, as in every other faction in the world who oppose the truth.
 

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Poor guy was just misunderstood.
Hitler was extensively lied about and the American public were manipulated for going to war. You can think of the whole book-burning thing. It was presented to Americans as an affront to the American value of freedom of speech. It wasn't told to the public here that they were burning pornography and perversion material and probably communist literature as well.

Make sure you continue with the pro-America, Hitler is the most evil man in the world narrative. We defeated Hitler and all we got was a trillion dollar bill for Israel (just guessing it's that much in today's devalued currency), open borders for replacement migration, anti-white propaganda, anti-American propaganda, LGBT propaganda and perversion, a government that facilitates crime instead of stopping it (at the highest levels while in some places crime at the lowest level has been made legal), and a government that constantly runs schemes and agendas against its own people.

The whole Israel narrative is ridiculous. let me get this straight, the great hero Americans defeated Hitler and saved the Jews, but now we need to pay for them to have a country of their own because they're not safe anywhere. In any place, even here, for absolutely no reason at all, white people might turn into Nazis and execute 6 million Jews for no reason at all. Even though we're their heroes who saved them, they are not safe here in America. They need their own country. What a scam! Why should I be forced to pay for a place I can't go live in?

Meanwhile the Israelis are conducting a Nazi-style genocide of the Palestinians. I honestly don't care about any nation of Muslims based on how they would treat me and my people if they had power over us. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and conditional application of this talk of "human rights." Israel gets to engage in genocide while the media runs cover for them and demonizes their victims. Israel and Jews are great and good, though, because they're in the Bible. Let's all focus on Abraham and be friends! Nope, Jesus is the center of my faith, and the Jewish Talmud says he's burning in human excrement indefinitely. They also say his mother had an affair with a Roman named Pantera and had an illegitimate child with him. That's not nice. Let's just focus on Abraham, so we can all get along.

Muslims say Jesus was just a prophet, but let's ignore him and listen to Muhammed. They will generously afford Christians and Jews the right to live (sometimes but not always), but they have to be second-class citizens and pay the jizya tax to them. Never mind that, let's focus on Abraham and all be friends.
 
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While you're partly correct, it's not smart to make blanket statements such as 'Jews think Hitler and Jesus are the two most horrible evil people in the world'. That ambiguous statement puts a damper on the rest of your ideas.
Jews know the spirit of hatred is against them, Hitler became the mouthpiece for that. The number of Pharisees and Sadducees around are minimal compared to the amt of Messianic Jews and Jews who accept Jesus as a good man. Most Jews are seeing Christians as their best friends in the world and of course, there are the spiritually blind ones, as in every other faction in the world who oppose the truth.
I made that statement to point out the nonsensical perspective of the general public. If you try to treat it like well-funded, unbiased empirical study, it's not going to hold up.

Let's focus on "hate" instead of the abhorrent behaviors that produced the hate in the first place. It's the story of the modern West. Muslims blow stuff up and slaughter people in nations that are kind to them and giving them everything for free. Let's focus on the hate that might result and not on such behaviors.

I saw the results of a poll once. The typical evangelical Christian and other Christians think Jews are so great and wonderful. Meanwhile religious Jews have a very negative view of Christians. This pro-Jew sentiment is benefiting them very much, so they let the scam continue. As a disclaimer, I would say most Jews in the US are dissolved into the mainstream culture and not religious at all. They have non-Jewish friends, S.O.s and spouses and are most likely to be like modern leftists. However, there's about 30% who are more like Republicans.
 

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@IloveViethoney If 'Hitler was extensively lied about' please give me examples backing up that idea.
Concerning this statement,
'Meanwhile the Israelis are conducting a Nazi-style genocide of the Palestinians'. A comparison thought to that as an example only as I had only 2 choices (not at all true here,lol), if we knew there was a hostile militant group in Canada who insanely hated the USA and who's goal it has been to eliminate US, what would your general attitude be toward them? Would you take it lightly if they bombed cities here, crossed the border and raped, killed and captured US citizens? (just using Canada as an example here, remember) BTW, this is why the Gaza strip is such a focal point. Some see it as Jews persecuting the people there and others see it as a gateway for terrorists to invade and terrorize Jews and destroy Israel (their goal). There is no easy answer but to your frequent remarks about those who 'love the Jews', to hate them or any other people is to break the 2nd Commandment of Jesus. Yes, the Lord is no respecter of persons and in the NT clearly has united us all as one body but there is no denying the number of times God lovingly singles them out as the ones He chose. We all know the Scriptures about 'those who are blest that love Israel...' or if not, go to the OpenBible page on 'Those who are against Israel'.
 

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Hitler was extensively lied about and the American public were manipulated for going to war. You can think of the whole book-burning thing. It was presented to Americans as an affront to the American value of freedom of speech. It wasn't told to the public here that they were burning pornography and perversion material and probably communist literature as well.

Make sure you continue with the pro-America, Hitler is the most evil man in the world narrative. We defeated Hitler and all we got was a trillion dollar bill for Israel (just guessing it's that much in today's devalued currency), open borders for replacement migration, anti-white propaganda, anti-American propaganda, LGBT propaganda and perversion, a government that facilitates crime instead of stopping it (at the highest levels while in some places crime at the lowest level has been made legal), and a government that constantly runs schemes and agendas against its own people.

The whole Israel narrative is ridiculous. let me get this straight, the great hero Americans defeated Hitler and saved the Jews, but now we need to pay for them to have a country of their own because they're not safe anywhere. In any place, even here, for absolutely no reason at all, white people might turn into Nazis and execute 6 million Jews for no reason at all. Even though we're their heroes who saved them, they are not safe here in America. They need their own country. What a scam! Why should I be forced to pay for a place I can't go live in?

Meanwhile the Israelis are conducting a Nazi-style genocide of the Palestinians. I honestly don't care about any nation of Muslims based on how they would treat me and my people if they had power over us. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and conditional application of this talk of "human rights." Israel gets to engage in genocide while the media runs cover for them and demonizes their victims. Israel and Jews are great and good, though, because they're in the Bible. Let's all focus on Abraham and be friends! Nope, Jesus is the center of my faith, and the Jewish Talmud says he's burning in human excrement indefinitely. They also say his mother had an affair with a Roman named Pantera and had an illegitimate child with him. That's not nice. Let's just focus on Abraham, so we can all get along.

Muslims say Jesus was just a prophet, but let's ignore him and listen to Muhammed. They will generously afford Christians and Jews the right to live (sometimes but not always), but they have to be second-class citizens and pay the jizya tax to them. Never mind that, let's focus on Abraham and all be friends.
Who am I going to believe, you, or my lying eyes?
 
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