Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

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HeIsHere

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I don't outright disagree with this either. I'm not willing to write her off because of statements like this; I'd be willing to give her a fair hearing.

Wow, read Foucault then and go right to her inspiration, he advocated for the normalization of pedophilia

This really makes me sad that you think these are reasons for evangelicalism to be deconstructed, and btw she offers no solution only derision.
 
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Gojira

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I am not aware of "this movement". I have probably spoken to tens of thousands of people while preaching the gospel without running into any of these.

I also visit every Evangelical church in our city as part of our ministry and am not aware of any one that is part of "this movement". I don't doubt that there are a few people out there that have printed books that are inflammatory, but suspect the purpose is to discredit evangelical christians and conservative christians.

Is there something wrong with an elected member to being a person of faith?

I have heard Marjorie Taylor Green on many interviews, she comes across as a very strong willed opinionated woman who is doing what she thinks is best for the country and those who elected her. I believe she most likely is a Christian, but have never once heard her espousing some kind of religious movement.

Mike Lindell is another one who is very open about his faith in the Lord Jesus, he is involved in several ministries and he is also running a business and he is also concerned with election integrity. I don't see how that is an issue or could be characterized by a new religion.

I went to six "Stop the Steal" rallies. These involved people from many different groups, with about half of them being people of faith. But I never heard anyone trying to espouse this "Christian nationalism" theology they are talking about.

Right now there is a whole lot of lies flying around. What works for me is I don't let someone else tell me what other people think or believe. I go to see for myself.
This is just the Left's propaganda, trying to deflect from their own fascist aims. Classic Alinsky.

I'm a Christian nationalist. I'm a Christian first, an American patriot second. If that's wrong, then I don't want to be right! (Well, in a manner of speaking :D:D )
 
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Gojira

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In this case I think the ones trying to "turn Christianity into a version of Islam," are known by 3 letter acronyms.
It was easy for them to pull it off with the Seventh Day Adventist cult in Texas decades ago. Now they are demonizing every group of people that might not agree with their agendas.
Well, they're claiming that we're no longer hiding our evil, secret agenda. The truth is, it is they who are no longer trying to hide their true colors anymore. They have thrown the gloves off.
 
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Isn't trying to usher in the 2nd coming of Christ through changing the political landscape to Christian a distinctly Roman Catholic belief?

That said our politics are rife with corruption and ungodliness from the school board go the presidency. We complain and grumble about it but what do we do about it?

We need more godly men and women in office. Starting with the school boards.

Imagine what kind of change could be affected if we as believers were to pray for the King to open the doors and share what He has done for us with just 1 person a day. That would be 365 people a year. Did you know that planting that seed would lead to over 12 people coming to know Him.

Want a revolution. That's how we do it.
In just 10 years starting with 10 like-minded believers in every congressional district we can reverse the course of our nation.

There's Christian Nationalism for you.

Christ-ian: The name given to followers of Christ by unbelievers because they saw them taking ground and territory as if soldiers of a great general.
Hard to disagree.

If you folks out there have not done this yet, you should review the speeches and writings of the founders and prominent politicians / leaders in early America. The Northwest Ordinance is one example. George Washington's fairwell address is another (I believe he made two of these?? And the one I'm referring to is the second??). In it, they talk about Christianity (or "religion", as they termed it back then) being "encouraged" in the public square. It was not to be treated as cudgel to force people to practice it, but to try to make sure that people grew up fearing the God of the Bible (or at least be educated about Biblical morality), so that we wouldn't deteriorate into a police state or face the judgment of God. And, Jews, e.g., were not legally prosecuted for practicing their faith, so there was no theocracy intended.

The Left rewrites history, then lies about the present. They invert everything, as Dennis Prager might say: History is changeable, but it is the future that is fixed.
 
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Gojira

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Hi brethren,

PBS did a story on the Christian Nationalism movement here in the USA, and I would like to receive more feedback on this organization. Our speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, is apparently tied to this organization, and some Christian Nationalists are accused of being involved in the January 6, 2021 insurrection in Washington.

My initial reaction is we as Christians do not have a lot of direct success when we get too tied in with secular government, but I would like to receive other perspectives on this movement.

Here's a short excerpt from a New York Times' writer:

Opinion | Christian Nationalism ‘Is No Longer Operating Beneath the Surface’ - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
I am sick of PBS. I used to support its funding because in some households, it might be the only schooling a kid gets. But, they're so blatantly Leftist, it's time to make them compete like every other station.
 

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Very interesting, i did not know who Jerry Falwell was and his resume on Wiki says a lot.
Funny, when you mentioned his name I thought of someone else, whose name escapes me now,
but he is one of those prosperity teachers who is quite wealthy. And he looks creepy LOL. So I tried
to find his name and put wealthy Christians in my search field, and who they listed was disturbing LOL.
People like Oprah Winfrey, who, yes, says she is a Christian, while denying what Jesus explicitly said.
 

SilverFox7

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You don't get the concept of examining your beliefs?
No problem from a Christian point of view. Do a deep dive into those on a regular basis.

My issue was a secular literary critical usage of deconstruction that broke literature down to the Nth degree analyzing the atomic level of the text. That can really diminish the artistic and creative experience of great literature like the Bible. It's important to have the forest viewed and understood clearly as a whole before venturing into it without the proper materials to explore the details.
 

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Well, they're claiming that we're no longer hiding our evil, secret agenda. The truth is, it is they who are no longer trying to hide their true colors anymore. They have thrown the gloves off.
Hundreds of them were in that crowd of PEACEFUL protesters instigating anything that they could bring charges on them and demonize them in the press.

A long time ago 3 dirtbags, who were unknown Judas' were invited to a church function, repayed the kindness shown them by trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Even though we were caught off guard, the Lord provided wisdom to handle it perfectly and verbally expose them.

Not all of the 3 letters are bad guys. I've been blessed to see some get saved, then baptized and continue to grow. So I want to be real clear about that. However, I no longer have patience for criminals who use their positions in law enforcement to commit crimes and then try to tempt/direct innocent decent people. They are psycho and sociopaths who have no problem committing crimes to imprison, torture or murder entire populations of people. We learned that from history.
 

Nehemiah6

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Du Mez asserts that evangelicalism as it stands needs to be undone because it is sexist, homophobic and racist.
That shows where this person is coming from. Should any Christian take this person seriously, or just tell them to repent and be converted?
 

SilverFox7

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This is just the Left's propaganda, trying to deflect from their own fascist aims. Classic Alinsky.

I'm a Christian nationalist. I'm a Christian first, an American patriot second. If that's wrong, then I don't want to be right! (Well, in a manner of speaking :D:D )
Facist is hard right. Communism is hard left,
 

Nehemiah6

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Fascist is hard right. Communism is hard left,
Not just hard right and those distinctions have now disappeared. "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy". Do you see these elements in the Biden administration? Weaponizing the justice system (for example) was in fact "forcible suppression of opposition". The DC Gulag for J6 victims is still there.

So the current "Democratic" party is in fact Marxist/Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/Racist all at the same time. The border chaos is anarchist and the promotion of DEI and CRT is racist. You can figure out the Marxist/Communist aspects for yourself. Saul Alinsky was a Communist from whom Obama learned many destructive principles (now being carried out by Biden).
 

SilverFox7

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Not just hard right and those distinctions have now disappeared. "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy". Do you see these elements in the Biden administration? Weaponizing the justice system (for example) was in fact "forcible suppression of opposition". The DC Gulag for J6 victims is still there.

So the current "Democratic" party is in fact Marxist/Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/Racist all at the same time. The border chaos is anarchist and the promotion of DEI and CRT is racist. You can figure out the Marxist/Communist aspects for yourself. Saul Alinsky was a Communist from whom Obama learned many destructive principles (now being carried out by Biden).
Interesting how political science 101 has been turned upside down.
 

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That shows where this person is coming from. Should any Christian take this person seriously, or just tell them to repent and be converted?
I think if one reads her book it is essential to know her framework and proceed with caution, so I would not take her work seriously in any way and agree she needs to be converted.
 

HeIsHere

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Interesting how political science 101 has been turned upside down.
In the end, what we have seen is that they all led to authoritarian /totalitarian rule, the ideas on paper are different but in practice they are very similar, I think the left- right paradigm is no longer seen as reflective of practice but only an ideological spectrum.
 
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Facist is hard right. Communism is hard left,
Nope. You don't have two authoritarian systems on opposite ends of the same ideological spectrum.

Fascism was an offshoot of socialism, or a modified form of it. It wasn't "opposite" communism. Remember that Hitler and Mussolini were socialists before they became known as fascists. They did not radically swing from one side to the other side ideologically.

Both systems are police states. Both systems run the economy from the top down. Both systems do not allow dissent from the god-state's narrative. Both are collectivist systems. The individual does not matter (unless they mouth off at the State lol). Please show one significant difference between communism and fascism.

The ideological spectrum is just that: a line from right to left, becoming increasingly authoritarian or anarchistic, depending on which direction you're going.
 

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Nope. You don't have two authoritarian systems on opposite ends of the same ideological spectrum.

Fascism was an offshoot of socialism, or a modified form of it. It wasn't "opposite" communism. Remember that Hitler and Mussolini were socialists before they became known as fascists. They did not radically swing from one side to the other side ideologically.

Both systems are police states. Both systems run the economy from the top down. Both systems do not allow dissent from the god-state's narrative. Both are collectivist systems. The individual does not matter (unless they mouth off at the State lol). Please show one significant difference between communism and fascism.

The ideological spectrum is just that: a line from right to left, becoming increasingly authoritarian or anarchistic, depending on which direction you're going.
I remember my poli-sci. prof. making an x-axis line on the board showing the right extreme as facist and left extreme as communist kind of like the graph below:

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I can see from Britannica that there are different approaches to this model as you and Nehemiah have noted. I like this quote:

"For example, though Stalinist communists would fall to the extreme left on the traditional left/right axis and Nazis would fall to the extreme right, Eysenck’s model would classify both as extreme examples of “tough-mindedness.”"

Source: Political spectrum | Definition, Chart, Examples, & Left Versus Right | Britannica

What kind of monster would a communist fascist be called? Certainly not Godzilla; how about Goshzilla? :D