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Ingerlund said:
See the fa-afafine tribal members of the Samoan community, and the tratiya prakriti in ancient India and the Vedic cultures. Also revisit Ancient Rome and Greece: homosexuality was not always punished there.

But more importantly: homosexuality, whether punished or not (a matter of social perspective and penal code) does not remove the fact that homosexuality exists in nature, and always has. The argument "homosexuality has been punished in many cultures", as justification for such punishment is a circular argument. And to use that argument to then attempt to support statements like "so you see, it is not part of nature", is downright silly.

Cannibis is illegal therefore it is not part of nature. Nakedness in public is illegal therefore it is not part of nature. You see how ridiculous that sounds?
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I'm not sure what you're talking about, but here is what I was and am disputing. You said "...In fact, (homosexuality) only was ever considered to be harmful to society because of the JudeoChristian values embedded in the social psyche, that deemed it so". This is simply not true. It was condemned (therefore considered harmful) by many civilizations for about as far back as history allows. The condemnation of homosexuality did not begin with nor was peculiar to Judeo/Christian values.
 
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your argument is missing sound understanding of the word "Nature". Homosexuality only happen when the abnormal order of nature is abandon . there is no Life there without re reproduction of one male of female species . to suggest that "Cannibis is illegal therefore is not part of nature " ; has nothing to do with the context that Canibis is still a plant, that can be used in a way that is not good for you. as the human body to can be misused as it was not intended to be used.

Just because certain people don't see homosexuality as wrong doesn't mean that is is ok and FYI Tribal Samoans were food for another group of people known as Tongans that eat them. was that ok ? the logic I'm hearing here is ridiculous .
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I've read this post several times but I am still a bit confused with the bold.
sorry about that I made the correction lol
 
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I don't think any of us know that much about homosexuality and why some people are homosexual. We can be bickering about this for hours, days and years, but it is getting us nowhere. To my best knowledge, which isn't much, I have to admit to that, it is very difficult to grasp the idea of people deliberately choosing to become homosexuals. I am not saying this is the truth, because I don't know what is true and what is not. I'm just saying it is difficult to understand. Now, I'm not convinced that the sole reason for people picking up sins, is because they want to sin. I do not believe that a drug addict wants to do drugs, nor do I believe that a homosexual wants to be living his or her life a homosexual. So why then, why are some people choosing sins that are very easy for others to bash? I don't think living like a drug addict, gay or whatnot is amusing. Those poor people with their parades, pride and other desperate expressions of how bad their lives are...and they are choosing it...incomprehensible...
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I find your post very interesting I must say
this part I found odd of your post" I am not saying this is the truth, because I don't know what is true and what is not. I'm just saying it is difficult to understand."

 I want to make sure i am clear Because we as Christians know the bible to be truth and Jesus is the Truth and the Spirit of God leads into all truth. What we do know about homosexaulity is it is not of God. The idea that sin is not chosen by those who do them is not what Johns Gospel tells us in Chapter 3 starting at

verse 1717 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


The Gospel of John tells us that just because the action are self-destructive sin doesn't excuse the truth that Christ can save them and change them from the sexual addiction. We do not have to pick up sin, it is in our nature of the flesh . even if it was not homosexuality we are all sinners Needing Christ salvation. Just because one has a issue with sin that those with good judgment could not see a person choosing that sin, doesn't justify the action.
 
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The point I'm trying to make, is that the sin they have chosen is very difficult to understand. Why would someone pick up a sin that he or she know will make their lives miserable? If I was gay I would simply change my ways. But apparently it is not that easy. The question is why are people insisting on living in sin? These are the questions making it hard to comprehend that people actually are choosing this.
 
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The point I'm trying to make, is that the sin they have chosen is very difficult to understand. Why would someone pick up a sin that he or she know will make their lives miserable? If I was gay I would simply change my ways. But apparently it is not that easy. The question is why are people insisting on living in sin? These are the questions making it hard to comprehend that people actually are choosing this.
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They can't choose the attraction. I don't choose to think guys are cute. I do choose to not lust after them, but I'm a woman and God set me free. How many straight people can't even do that? I spoke to a homosexual. I said: you can just not have a relationship. I have to, he said. He couldn't not be in a relationship. He tried. He could stop smoking. How many people can't stop smoking? It's not a free choice for a sinner to sin. They're bound. Paul did what he didn't want to do until God set him free. You can choose to say yes Lord set me free. But they did when they were young, they cried out to God to please change them and the church was powerless and couldn't kick a demon out for them and didn't tell them they could become a new creation.
 
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The point I'm trying to make, is that the sin they have chosen is very difficult to understand. Why would someone pick up a sin that he or she know will make their lives miserable? If I was gay I would simply change my ways. But apparently it is not that easy. The question is why are people insisting on living in sin? These are the questions making it hard to comprehend that people actually are choosing this.
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apparently it is not all doom and gloom in that sinful life style. And you must understand the deceptiveness is also a very big part of the sin it's self surely you know that? It is not that easy when you will not separate yourself from those who are around you of the same like mindedness. The gay 's of the 1980's are not the gays of today.

They are supported by laws and the system . Instead of addressing the abnormalities of this sexual preference they are given a false sense of acceptance, the battle is they want what they all know is not right , but those who are suppose to tell them the truth lie to them. therefore they do not seek freedom from it, because there are those who are not gay encouraging it.

You do not here of the many who have been set free from Homosexualaity why? because it is suppressed by family members , schools and our elected leaders ; if you are around drunkers you will be the company you keep.
The devil doesn't what them free and those who say they want out are attacked by those of the very same addiction. when Bruce Jennier said he would like to be a man again
they attacked him and said no.
 
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They can't choose the attraction. I don't choose to think guys are cute. I do choose to not lust after them, but I'm a woman and God set me free. How many straight people can't even do that? I spoke to a homosexual. I said: you can just not have a relationship. I have to, he said. He couldn't not be in a relationship. He tried. He could stop smoking. How many people can't stop smoking? It's not a free choice for a sinner to sin. They're bound. Paul did what he didn't want to do until God set him free. You can choose to say yes Lord set me free. But they did when they were young, they cried out to God to please change them and the church was powerless and couldn't kick a demon out for them and didn't tell them they could become a new creation.
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I am not sure what you mean. about the church powerless because Christ is able to set them free . we were all bound by Sin but Christ saved us and set me free. When I was saved nobody had to tell me I was new it was very clear. it is very important part of separating yourself from those who are not saved. in ministry most of those I have preached to that have asked Jesus to save them when they were told that they would need to separate themselves they said no. many of them not all went back to the places to tell them of the good news ... they fell back into the sin. I do not care who you are When God set you free you need to flee from the very presence of evil. and Be discipled.
The parable of the Sower in Luke does apply here
 
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You do not here of the many who have been set free from Homosexualaity why? because it is suppressed by family members , schools and our elected leaders ; if you are around drunkers you will be the company you keep.
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While that may be the case for many, I've found from my personal experience with "cured" homosexuals to be that their "cure" is temporary. I've known anywhere from 15-20 gay Christians in my short life time, and none... zero (0) have reported their homosexual were permanently set free. About half of them, to date, still forsake their homosexual desires, while the others fail at forsaking them.

And the families are proud initially when they discover their Christian son/daughter was "set free" from their homosexual desires. I don't see why they would be ashamed of it... In fact, I would probably argue they voice their delight in their child's decision... they just keep quiet once their child reverts back to their old ways though.
 
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Machiavelli said:
While that may be the case for many, I've found from my personal experience with "cured" homosexuals to be that their "cure" is temporary. I've known anywhere from 15-20 gay Christians in my short life time, and none... zero (0) have reported their homosexual were permanently set free. About half of them, to date, still forsake their homosexual desires, while the others fail at forsaking them.

And the families are proud initially when they discover their Christian son/daughter was "set free" from their homosexual desires. I don't see why they would be ashamed of it... In fact, I would probably argue they voice their delight in their child's decision... they just keep quiet once their child reverts back to their old ways though.
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I can tell you I know more than that have come out and it is not temporary when they come out from among them.
when you have so-called Christian churches and preachers supporting this sin it make it very hard for them to come out.
Why should they If God will accept them as they are but not require them to stop.

Those who support this will be judge by God for causing those to fall. those who seek freedom from their sin's in Christ will be set free our God is a liar. You have to do what Jesus said to do come out from among them and separate your self from them. and Follow HIM. any one who will not take up his cross and Follow Jesus will not be saved.
 
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Ingerlund said:
See the fa-afafine tribal members of the Samoan community, and the tratiya prakriti in ancient India and the Vedic cultures. Also revisit Ancient Rome and Greece: homosexuality was not always punished there.

But more importantly: homosexuality, whether punished or not (a matter of social perspective and penal code) does not remove the fact that homosexuality exists in nature, and always has. The argument "homosexuality has been punished in many cultures", as justification for such punishment is a circular argument. And to use that argument to then attempt to support statements like "so you see, it is not part of nature", is downright silly.

Cannibis is illegal therefore it is not part of nature. Nakedness in public is illegal therefore it is not part of nature. You see how ridiculous that sounds?
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Very simple..do you believe the bible? If you do its clear this perversion is unacceptable
 
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jennymae said:
The point I'm trying to make, is that the sin they have chosen is very difficult to understand. Why would someone pick up a sin that he or she know will make their lives miserable? If I was gay I would simply change my ways. But apparently it is not that easy. The question is why are people insisting on living in sin? These are the questions making it hard to comprehend that people actually are choosing this.
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Why do people choose any sexual perversion or deviant behavior? Its called sin..and the bible explains the cause and effect in clear terms. If you believe the bible its no big mystery or its not a bit confusing about the attitude a Christian should take toward this deviant behavior.
 
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Machiavelli said:
While that may be the case for many, I've found from my personal experience with "cured" homosexuals to be that their "cure" is temporary. I've known anywhere from 15-20 gay Christians in my short life time, and none... zero (0) have reported their homosexual were permanently set free. About half of them, to date, still forsake their homosexual desires, while the others fail at forsaking them.

And the families are proud initially when they discover their Christian son/daughter was "set free" from their homosexual desires. I don't see why they would be ashamed of it... In fact, I would probably argue they voice their delight in their child's decision... they just keep quiet once their child reverts back to their old ways though.
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The internet is full of testimonies of gays who have been delivered from this perversion ..in fact we have members on this forum who would testify to power of God over this sin. No gay person ever loved or was drawn to their sin more than many of us who have been set free from issues of lust and fornication ..The idea that being gay is a special class of sin that does not need or cannot yield to the power of Gods Spirit to deliver, is simply silly and rather evil in nature.
 
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The internet is full of testimonies of gays who have been delivered from this perversion ..in fact we have members on this forum who would testify to power of God over this sin. No gay person ever loved or was drawn to their sin more than many of us who have been set free from issues of lust and fornication ..The idea that being gay is a special class of sin that does not need or cannot yield to the power of Gods Spirit to deliver, is simply silly and rather evil in nature.
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Apparently I have to spread some reputation around,but this is exactly what I was about to say. You said it very well.
 
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The internet is full of testimonies of gays who have been delivered from this perversion ..in fact we have members on this forum who would testify to power of God over this sin. No gay person ever loved or was drawn to their sin more than many of us who have been set free from issues of lust and fornication ..The idea that being gay is a special class of sin that does not need or cannot yield to the power of Gods Spirit to deliver, is simply silly and rather evil in nature.
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The fact that adultery is legal makes your entire point of view hypocritical. You don't campaign against it, because it's pointless and moronic to do so.
 
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The fact that adultery is legal makes your entire point of view hypocritical. You don't campaign against it, because it's pointless and moronic to do so.
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the bible and the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthews 5 clearly teaches those who commit adultery will not enter into the Kingdom of God. and The bible says adultery is immoral
 
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All you people who profess to be republican defenders of the faith have absolutely no power or right to enforce your backwards opinions. Hence the legality of divorce, adultery and remarriage. If you're gonna say "make homosexuality illegal" because the old and new testaments of the bible are vehemently gainst it, you better be ready to concede the bible also illustrates how fathers should let their daughters be raped to protect strangers, how divorce should be illegal and how atheists should be executed by stoning at the gates.

Good luck convincing your constitution of that.

The reality is, such views are barbaric, against your seculsr costituton, and will die within the next few generations.
 
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Ingerlund said:
The fact that adultery is legal makes your entire point of view hypocritical. You don't campaign against it, because it's pointless and moronic to do so.
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Adultery is not legal ...try standing before the divorce court judge and telling them it has no legal cost... In many jobs, including the military, it can cost a person their career. Beside that your point has no relation to the point I made.... why they allow you folks who promote clearly unbiblical and ungodly ideas to remain on this Christian forum is a bit of a mystery to me?
 
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Adultery is not legal ...try standing before the divorce court judge and telling them it has no legal cost... In many jobs, including the military, it can cost a person their career. Beside that your point has no relation to the point I made.... why they allow you folks who promote clearly unbiblical and ungodly ideas to remain on this Christian forum is a bit of a mystery to me?
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Adultery is legal. It's not a crime. As for the rest, I'm not promoting anything. I'm dis-promoting your b.s. Your views are hypocritical and unrealistic. You are a dinosaur.
 
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Adultery is legal. It's not a crime. As for the rest, I'm not promoting anything. I'm dis-promoting your b.s. Your views are hypocritical and unrealistic. You are a dinosaur.
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I'd pick dinosaur over progressive brainwashed lunatic any day.
 
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All you people who profess to be republican defenders of the faith have absolutely no power or right to enforce your backwards opinions. Hence the legality of divorce, adultery and remarriage. If you're gonna say "make homosexuality illegal" because the old and new testaments of the bible are vehemently gainst it, you better be ready to concede the bible also illustrates how fathers should let their daughters be raped to protect strangers, how divorce should be illegal and how atheists should be executed by stoning at the gates.

Good luck convincing your constitution of that.

The reality is, such views are barbaric, against your seculsr costituton, and will die within the next few generations.
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The authority is called the bible ..and the fact that someone might divorce and remarry has nothing to do with the approval and promotion of homosexual behavior.

And clearly you have no clue about our constitution that upholds the rights of the citizens to shape their own society as they choose. It gives no special protection to sexual deviants.
 
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