Condoms for sixth graders: Salem, Oregon

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JesusChica1991

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Abstinence education has proven to fail numerous times because the church isn't involved with it. If it would be a more involved topic in the church instead of being so weary about it, it wouldn't be such a problem. Relying on the school's for the STD information is great because kids need to know that. But the kids are not receiving the spiritual component nor are they being taught the spiritual consequences. I stand to testify to this situation. I got the STD education/anatomical education in the school system but the churches...especially conservative ones...detest just mentioning the word "sex" in church. If the church becomes more proactive with the education of their youth, then just maybe the rates would decline. However, studies have shown the rates among teenage pregnancies are down because of protection/birth control in certain populations. The area which premarital pregnancies are starting to rise is among my age group: college education women. Don't just tell people "not to do this" "not to do that". Tell them WHY it is important for their spiritual being...not just for their physical being.
 
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The onslaught of the media is merciless! Have you seen the programs intended for kids? All the make up and fake hair on the girls . Wholesome programming is almost non existent. My first grader is into Veggie Tales but he comes home and tells me about the girls in his class talking about Miley Cyrus' "Wrecking Ball" video! My sweet son ask me "Does she really get naked!?" And many of the other tings he has told me has me seriously looking into homeschooling.

My daughter is four and at her friend's birthday pool party most of the little girls aged 3-5 are wearing bikinis!

For my husband and myself it feels like trying to stop an avalanche.
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That's disturbing. The sexualization of children and youth is becoming more and more mainstream, people need to make a stand for God's Truth. Some speak up but we need more to join in. It needs to be said, some parents are idiots.
 
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JesusChica1991 said:
Abstinence education has proven to fail numerous times because the church isn't involved with it. If it would be a more involved topic in the church instead of being so weary about it, it wouldn't be such a problem. Relying on the school's for the STD information is great because kids need to know that. But the kids are not receiving the spiritual component nor are they being taught the spiritual consequences. I stand to testify to this situation. I got the STD education/anatomical education in the school system but the churches...especially conservative ones...detest just mentioning the word "sex" in church. If the church becomes more proactive with the education of their youth, then just maybe the rates would decline. However, studies have shown the rates among teenage pregnancies are down because of protection/birth control in certain populations. The area which premarital pregnancies are starting to rise is among my age group: college education women. Don't just tell people "not to do this" "not to do that". Tell them WHY it is important for their spiritual being...not just for their physical being.
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Ms. JesusChica1991: So really you're saying that it's secular abstinence advice that seems to lack effectiveness? in your view and impression.

Blessings.
 
JesusChica1991

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faroukfarouk: that is EXACTLY what I'm saying.However, the church needs to improve in this area as a whole....especially in the south and in mostly conservative states outside of the bible belt.
 
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That's disturbing. The sexualization of children and youth is becoming more and more mainstream, people need to make a stand for God's Truth. Some speak up but we need more to join in. It needs to be said, some parents are idiots.
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Tintin: You write some really good posts, which are appreciated. But maybe I've missed something: do you really think that two piece swimsuits on infants on a beach are going to disturb and corrupt people?

I'm no expert here...but maybe I've missed something.

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faroukfarouk: that is EXACTLY what I'm saying.However, the church needs to improve in this area as a whole....especially in the south and in mostly conservative states outside of the bible belt.
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JesusChica1991: I guess it depends on context.

I mean, a biology lesson where, say, human reproduction systems are cut out of the lesson 'in case the Taliban or Top Notch Fundamental Baptist Church doesn't like it', wouldn't make much sense, would it?

It's all part of learning, to some extent, isn't it.

Blessings.
 
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Toddlers etc. have nothing to hide with their swimsuits but it's more the attitude and belief that they need to have two-piece swimsuits at their age. Children and teens are very impressionable (some adults too), so we need to be careful about what we allow and don't allow. It's not just a matter of saying NO to something but giving reasons why it's not a good idea and how it takes away from one's God-given dignity. Naturally, the conversation with toddlers and young children would be at a more simple level but you can still teach them what honours God and their body and what doesn't. :)
 
SonInMe

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My friends, I want you to look at the community that you live in. How many single parent households live there? How many families have the mother and father of the children living together in marriage? How many same sex households with children will you find? I can go on and on, but here's the most important question. How many families in your community were in Church with you this morning? The Church has failed miserably in its responsibility to reach two (going on three) generations of young people.

You say "we must promote abstinence". I say "where have you been for the past fifty years?" Our message has been the same, but today there are more unwed teenage mothers every year. How can we teach abstinence to children when the parents are not teaching it? I'll give you an example.

I have one family of seven children who ride the bus to Church every time the doors are open. The mother (who has never been in a church in her life) has a different boy friend every week, and is pregnant today. Every child has a different father. How do you minister to these children? Do you really believe that the three young girls understand an abstinence message? They have two unwed mother (14 and 16) friends that live close by, and they love to "play" with the babies. The unwed mothers live with a single mom. Yes, we teach and promote abstinence. But I sometimes wonder if we are doing enough. Yes, I understand why the school is trying to solve the problem this way. Have you ever had a student ask you how to get treated for an STD, and when you try to contact the parent, they hang up on you? What would you do?

The Church that I attend has a working Community Ministry program, and we have began to reach the families in the community. We are blessed to have a group of young Christian families who are willing to spend time in the community. This is only a small part of what needs to be done. I will issue each of you a challenge. Get out of the pew, and put some legs on your prayers. MINISTER TO THE NEEDS OF YOUR COMMUNITY. If you don't, in three more generations, the Church will be dead.
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These unwed mothers...they are getting welfare correct?

Nice move government...pay kids to have kids....smart.

Ya know before they changed the law where the dad had to be identified before getting a welfare check, illegitimacy was about 30% in african american families. Now, its over 70%. ( I use african americans as an example because they support the liberal ideologies that have created all this mess en mass. 90% vote for democrats )

The ''cures'' the world proposes only does one thing....makes it worse. Yeah you will get votes from people who think with emotion rather than common sense but isn't families and kids more important than...

LOOKING COMPASSIONATE?????????

( esspecially since that ''compassion'' is causing the poverties you think are being helped )

Wake up. There are no short cuts to integrity. No short cuts to living your life right and receiving the fruits of that labor. Stop trying to LOOK good to others, do your charity so no one can see it ( Matthew 6 ) and raise your kids, sacrificially and in God's love.
 
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Tintin said:
Toddlers etc. have nothing to hide with their swimsuits but it's more the attitude and belief that they need to have two-piece swimsuits at their age. Children and teens are very impressionable (some adults too), so we need to be careful about what we allow and don't allow. It's not just a matter of saying NO to something but giving reasons why it's not a good idea and how it takes away from one's God-given dignity. Naturally, the conversation with toddlers and young children would be at a more simple level but you can still teach them what honours God and their body and what doesn't. :)
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Oh okay; I see you have a perspective there. Thanks.

At any rate, the teen girls from our church who have used our backyard pool don't seem to have complex issues with two pieces, but again I can't claim to have a stake in the matter; I kind of stay out of it; just glad to think folk from the church can use our pool.

Blessings.
 
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I don't go down to the beach much, I'm not really a fan but there are different levels of modesty, even with two-piece swimsuits.
 
SonInMe

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Abstinence policies work because....

parents do it, not churches or schools. If the parent isn't teaching it.....

Your daughter does not have to dress a certain way....exposed flesh is NOT cute. ( Usually the moms who say that are moms who like to expose themselves as well )

Sons actually can have and practice self control.
 
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Tintin said:
I don't go down to the beach much, I'm not really a fan but there are different levels of modesty, even with two-piece swimsuits.
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Oh I agree, not that any observations that I may have are the result of serious research. Seems like some stringy one pieces show more than some two pieces, but what do I know? :confused:
 
SonInMe

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My daughter did not have a two piece swim suit until she was 20...and she, despite heredity is a pretty girl.
 
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faroukfarouk

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SonInMe said:
My daughter did not have a two piece swim suit until she was 20...and she, despite heredity is a pretty girl.
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Everyone is different, and every family is entitled to its opinions and privacy. It seems like for young women the two piece is kind of standard now, more or less and has been for a long while.

(Maybe we are getting slightly off topic.)

Blessings.
 
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faroukfarouk

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PS: SonInMe: I'm sure she is lovely, above all when you guys are all attired for church together.
 
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faroukfarouk said:
Oh I agree, not that any observations that I may have are the result of serious research. Seems like some stringy one pieces show more than some two pieces, but what do I know? :confused:
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I don't understand female fashions but I do think we need to keep pushing/acknowledging/promoting Godly integrity.
 
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faroukfarouk

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Tintin said:
I don't understand female fashions but I do think we need to keep pushing/acknowledging/promoting Godly integrity.
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In principle I agree. Quite a lot, in fact.

I've been around in Europe quite a bit, and it seems that issues which are generally about culture rather than directly about doctrine may well differ somewhat between one Western country and another. Like at some independent evangelical churches in Europe, you may attend the Lord's Supper and afterwards women will light cigarettes in a matter of fact way, which in the US might be frowned upon in some similar circles. It needs to be remembered by North American travellers also (I know you're in Australia) that toplessness (which I don't favor) is actually widespread on European beaches and if travellers really have serious trouble with this then all I can say is they should maybe avoid pools and beaches in Europe during the summer, that's all. Cultural considerations are real, but they do differ from country to country.

Blessings.
 
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Tintin said:
That's disturbing. The sexualization of children and youth is becoming more and more mainstream, people need to make a stand for God's Truth. Some speak up but we need more to join in. It needs to be said, some parents are idiots.
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This is where a lot of the problem lies. Even parents who want to teach morality are constantly undermined by the media, other permissive parents. Children are encouraged to be sexualized so young is there any wonder they become sexually active so young?
 
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This is where a lot of the problem lies. Even parents who want to teach morality are constantly undermined by the media, other permissive parents. Children are encouraged to be sexualized so young is there any wonder they become sexually active so young?
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jjtj22: I can understand Christian households keeping a firm grasp of the 'Off' switch on the TV! :)

Blessings.
 
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What age are 6th graders? 11? 12? Is the school distributing child sized condoms? Take a look at that phrase, child sized condoms, that expresses exactly how disturbing this decision by the school is.

Schools should not be allowed to distribute condoms at all IMHO. Let the teenagers who are determined go to the local health department and ask for them but don't pass them out with report cards.
 
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