Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ZNP

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A reduction in additional taxpayer expense. DOGE.
8 Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.

9 Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil!

10 Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul.

11 For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.

12 Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth a city by iniquity!

13 Behold, is it not of the Lord of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?

14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

HABAKKUK.
 

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8 Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.

9 Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil!

10 Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul.

11 For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.

12 Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth a city by iniquity!

13 Behold, is it not of the Lord of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?

14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

HABAKKUK.

Maybe the remnant of the people has finally woken up to some degree. Let's see if it fully awakens and does the work set before it or it goes back to sleep.
 

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As publishers searched for the next bestselling business memoir, S. I. Newhouse, owner of the Condé Nast magazine empire and Random House, recalled a cover article on Donald Trump from the May 1984 edition of his GQ magazine that had sold very well. He persuaded Trump to sign a book contract with a $500,000 advance. Trump hired Tony Schwartz, a magazine writer, to do the actual writing, and agreed to split the advance and royalties with him. Schwartz, who had written a critical article about Trump for New York magazine, told Trump that he was still too young to write an autobiography. He suggested The Art of the Deal as a framework, part how-to and part day-in-the-life of a high-living business celebrity.

The book-in-progress was announced by Liz Smith, then one of the most prominent gossip columnists in the country, as the lead item in her nationally syndicated column, which ended with this line: “This book could very well out-Iacocca Lee Iacocca’s smashing best seller!”

Schwartz quickly grew frustrated trying to get Trump to concentrate for more than an hour at a time. He gave up on interviewing him and switched his approach to serving as a fly on the wall, watching Trump take calls and plot in his Trump Tower office. Schwartz kept a journal. He wrote that Trump struck him as driven by an unending need for public attention. “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he wrote.—Lucky Loser, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig, pp. 237-238
 

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Still stomping. Has the entire world's attention. Seems from Butler and his elections like He also has God's attention. Has built some pretty impressive things that are far from going nowhere. Many saw a change in him after Butler. We'll certainly see where this goes from here.

NKJ 1 Timothy 2:1-4 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 

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As publishers searched for the next bestselling business memoir, S. I. Newhouse, owner of the Condé Nast magazine empire and Random House, recalled a cover article on Donald Trump from the May 1984 edition of his GQ magazine that had sold very well. He persuaded Trump to sign a book contract with a $500,000 advance. Trump hired Tony Schwartz, a magazine writer, to do the actual writing, and agreed to split the advance and royalties with him. Schwartz, who had written a critical article about Trump for New York magazine, told Trump that he was still too young to write an autobiography. He suggested The Art of the Deal as a framework, part how-to and part day-in-the-life of a high-living business celebrity.

The book-in-progress was announced by Liz Smith, then one of the most prominent gossip columnists in the country, as the lead item in her nationally syndicated column, which ended with this line: “This book could very well out-Iacocca Lee Iacocca’s smashing best seller!”

Schwartz quickly grew frustrated trying to get Trump to concentrate for more than an hour at a time. He gave up on interviewing him and switched his approach to serving as a fly on the wall, watching Trump take calls and plot in his Trump Tower office. Schwartz kept a journal. He wrote that Trump struck him as driven by an unending need for public attention. “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he wrote.—Lucky Loser, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig, pp. 237-238
I just returned from the NE and my family, perhaps the bluest part of the country with many of them from Vermont. These are ones who were insistent that Biden won in 2020, and to get over it. Not one of them was complaining about the election or Trump. They were not being hypocrites, they agreed that Trump had won and so that was that. In two years they would get their chance to vote again and in four years they would also get their chance to vote again. But now that the election was over they accepted that he should get two years before the second guessing should begin.

My point is I do not understand your post. The election is over so no one wants to have it keep going with personal attacks. Are you trying to tell us that despite paying Trump a whole lot of money to do a biography the writer didn't like him? Wow, people on the Left don't like Trump. Talk about old, stale news, don't you have anything relevant to say about what is going on today? Everyone knows that those that hate Trump are quite large in number.

You remind me of all the people pontificating that the St. Louis Rams were doomed when Trent Green got hurt and Kurt Warner took his place at quarterback. Or all the people who wanted to fire the GM at Oakland when he applied Moneyball to putting together a team that then went on to set a record for most consecutive wins.

The election is over. So get over it.
 

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No disrespect intended at all, but I will not bother to do so. Why? Because I have done that elsewhere, and people just clung to their beliefs in spite of much evidence to the contrary. If that sounds like a dodge to you, then so be it. It truly is not. I just have learned to spend my time more wisely, and I said what I did simply in response to the opening question in this thread. I would simply suggest that you ask God directly if the alleged assassination attempt was staged or not, and then go where God's Spirit leads you.
So instead of giving actual proof President Trump faked his assassination, you prefer to just toss a bombshell like Trump planned it, and then just scurry away and trash those that call you on it.

Nice.
 

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As publishers searched for the next bestselling business memoir, S. I. Newhouse, owner of the Condé Nast magazine empire and Random House, recalled a cover article on Donald Trump from the May 1984 edition of his GQ magazine that had sold very well. He persuaded Trump to sign a book contract with a $500,000 advance. Trump hired Tony Schwartz, a magazine writer, to do the actual writing, and agreed to split the advance and royalties with him. Schwartz, who had written a critical article about Trump for New York magazine, told Trump that he was still too young to write an autobiography. He suggested The Art of the Deal as a framework, part how-to and part day-in-the-life of a high-living business celebrity.

The book-in-progress was announced by Liz Smith, then one of the most prominent gossip columnists in the country, as the lead item in her nationally syndicated column, which ended with this line: “This book could very well out-Iacocca Lee Iacocca’s smashing best seller!”

Schwartz quickly grew frustrated trying to get Trump to concentrate for more than an hour at a time. He gave up on interviewing him and switched his approach to serving as a fly on the wall, watching Trump take calls and plot in his Trump Tower office. Schwartz kept a journal. He wrote that Trump struck him as driven by an unending need for public attention. “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he wrote.—Lucky Loser, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig, pp. 237-238
You are the definition of pathetic.
 

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I just returned from the NE and my family, perhaps the bluest part of the country with many of them from Vermont. These are ones who were insistent that Biden won in 2020, and to get over it. Not one of them was complaining about the election or Trump. They were not being hypocrites, they agreed that Trump had won and so that was that. In two years they would get their chance to vote again and in four years they would also get their chance to vote again. But now that the election was over they accepted that he should get two years before the second guessing should begin.

My point is I do not understand your post. The election is over so no one wants to have it keep going with personal attacks. Are you trying to tell us that despite paying Trump a whole lot of money to do a biography the writer didn't like him? Wow, people on the Left don't like Trump. Talk about old, stale news, don't you have anything relevant to say about what is going on today? Everyone knows that those that hate Trump are quite large in number.

You remind me of all the people pontificating that the St. Louis Rams were doomed when Trent Green got hurt and Kurt Warner took his place at quarterback. Or all the people who wanted to fire the GM at Oakland when he applied Moneyball to putting together a team that then went on to set a record for most consecutive wins.

The election is over. So get over it.
Y'all cried for 4 years when Biden won And are still claiming that election was stolen. Just might having no evidence. But don't worry. We're not going to commit sedition and storm the capital or anything like maga
 

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So instead of giving actual proof President Trump faked his assassination, you prefer to just toss a bombshell like Trump planned it, and then just scurry away and trash those that call you on it.

Nice.
Maybe he was part of the plot to fake the assassination and if he gives us anymore information it would be a confession of guilt in a felony fraud.

Perhaps keepingitreal is guilty of a felony and knows others who are also guilty. He doesn't want to go to prison himself but he wants all the ones he worked with to go to prison. The old "rules for thee and not for me".
 

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As publishers searched for the next bestselling business memoir, S. I. Newhouse, owner of the Condé Nast magazine empire and Random House, recalled a cover article on Donald Trump from the May 1984 edition of his GQ magazine that had sold very well. He persuaded Trump to sign a book contract with a $500,000 advance. Trump hired Tony Schwartz, a magazine writer, to do the actual writing, and agreed to split the advance and royalties with him. Schwartz, who had written a critical article about Trump for New York magazine, told Trump that he was still too young to write an autobiography. He suggested The Art of the Deal as a framework, part how-to and part day-in-the-life of a high-living business celebrity.

The book-in-progress was announced by Liz Smith, then one of the most prominent gossip columnists in the country, as the lead item in her nationally syndicated column, which ended with this line: “This book could very well out-Iacocca Lee Iacocca’s smashing best seller!”

Schwartz quickly grew frustrated trying to get Trump to concentrate for more than an hour at a time. He gave up on interviewing him and switched his approach to serving as a fly on the wall, watching Trump take calls and plot in his Trump Tower office. Schwartz kept a journal. He wrote that Trump struck him as driven by an unending need for public attention. “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he wrote.—Lucky Loser, Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig, pp. 237-238
That is some pretty weak sauce buddy. Try and spice it up next time.
 

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Y'all cried for 4 years when Biden won And are still claiming that election was stolen. Just might having no evidence. But don't worry. We're not going to commit sedition and storm the capital or anything like maga
What I cried is that the election should be audited. I have shirts that say "Audit 50" meaning audit the elections in all 50 states.

I had no proof that the elections had been stolen and said that repeatedly. Why would I have proof, that is what an audit would uncover. But my argument was that a significant number of people in this country do not trust the process and that in itself is reason enough to do the audit. If 1% don't trust the outcome of an election, fine, ignore them. But if 25% don't trust it you have a crisis to your democratic institutions. That number grew over 4 years to 40%. So my second argument is that the way in which those in power responded to requests for an audit were not helping the situation, they were making it worse.

I still hold this same position. If a significant number of people in this country do not trust the outcome of the election by all means lets do an audit.

Now they tried to say they did do an audit. That was simply a lie treating us as idiots. What they did was a "recount". An audit requires that you only count legitimate ballots, the recount counted all ballots without distinction. For example, you have to check the signatures, you have to look inside the Dominion machines software. They refused to do either and that of course did not help with the trust. In an audit you would do a canvass, so if ten mail in votes came from the same address you have to confirm that there were in fact ten registered voters at that address who mailed in ballots. They never did that. Again, simply causing the lack of trust to increase.

There were two objections to doing an audit. First, it would be unfair to only audit the swing states that Trump lost. I agreed, by all means you can audit an equal amount of states that he won by a close vote or audit all 50 states. No problem with that.

Then they said the audit would cost millions of dollars and be too expensive and a waste of time. It is true that to audit a large state like California or Florida would cost several million dollars. However, I did not think that was too expensive. The same people who didn't have the slightest qualms in sending $160 billion to Ukraine (and we now hear from Poland that half that money was laundered back to the US for the 2022 election) were complaining about 0.1% of that cost in ensuring election integrity and trust in this country. As for a waste of time their argument was not that they wouldn't find fraud, they willingly agreed they would. They were not arguing that the list of registered voters in each state didn't need to be updated, they agreed it did. No, they meant that we would not find enough fraud to overturn the result. So what? The purpose of an audit is not to overturn the result, it is to find and eliminate fraud.

Now if anyone wants to do an audit of the election process I am all for it.

But what was hypocritical was that many people, most notably Hillary Clinton and Stacy Abrams had refused to accept the results if they lost and yet they were accusing people of being criminals simply because they wanted an audit of the elections.

I have no problem with those who want an audit, I only have a problem with those who want an audit when they lose and then attack people who want an audit when they win.
 

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What I cried is that the election should be audited. I have shirts that say "Audit 50" meaning audit the elections in all 50 states.

I had no proof that the elections had been stolen and said that repeatedly. Why would I have proof, that is what an audit would uncover. But my argument was that a significant number of people in this country do not trust the process and that in itself is reason enough to do the audit. If 1% don't trust the outcome of an election, fine, ignore them. But if 25% don't trust it you have a crisis to your democratic institutions. That number grew over 4 years to 40%. So my second argument is that the way in which those in power responded to requests for an audit were not helping the situation, they were making it worse.

I still hold this same position. If a significant number of people in this country do not trust the outcome of the election by all means lets do an audit.

Now they tried to say they did do an audit. That was simply a lie treating us as idiots. What they did was a "recount". An audit requires that you only count legitimate ballots, the recount counted all ballots without distinction. For example, you have to check the signatures, you have to look inside the Dominion machines software. They refused to do either and that of course did not help with the trust. In an audit you would do a canvass, so if ten mail in votes came from the same address you have to confirm that there were in fact ten registered voters at that address who mailed in ballots. They never did that. Again, simply causing the lack of trust to increase.

There were two objections to doing an audit. First, it would be unfair to only audit the swing states that Trump lost. I agreed, by all means you can audit an equal amount of states that he won by a close vote or audit all 50 states. No problem with that.

Then they said the audit would cost millions of dollars and be too expensive and a waste of time. It is true that to audit a large state like California or Florida would cost several million dollars. However, I did not think that was too expensive. The same people who didn't have the slightest qualms in sending $160 billion to Ukraine (and we now hear from Poland that half that money was laundered back to the US for the 2022 election) were complaining about 0.1% of that cost in ensuring election integrity and trust in this country. As for a waste of time their argument was not that they wouldn't find fraud, they willingly agreed they would. They were not arguing that the list of registered voters in each state didn't need to be updated, they agreed it did. No, they meant that we would not find enough fraud to overturn the result. So what? The purpose of an audit is not to overturn the result, it is to find and eliminate fraud.

Now if anyone wants to do an audit of the election process I am all for it.

But what was hypocritical was that many people, most notably Hillary Clinton and Stacy Abrams had refused to accept the results if they lost and yet they were accusing people of being criminals simply because they wanted an audit of the elections.

I have no problem with those who want an audit, I only have a problem with those who want an audit when they lose and then attack people who want an audit when they win.
Remember when Trump told his voters not to use mail-in ballots and then cut funding to postal service to slow down mail-in ballots?
 

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Remember when Trump told his voters not to use mail-in ballots and then cut funding to postal service to slow down mail-in ballots?
Do you want an audit? I'll support that. Let's eliminate all the fraud.
 

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Y'all cried for 4 years when Biden won And are still claiming that election was stolen. Just might having no evidence. But don't worry. We're not going to commit sedition and storm the capital or anything like maga
Pretty much everybody knows about the 2020 election steal. Everybody buuuuttt......you.

"Look Around the Poker Table; If You Can’t See the Sucker, You’re It"
 

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Pretty much everybody knows about the 2020 election steal. Everybody buuuuttt......you.

"Look Around the Poker Table; If You Can’t See the Sucker, You’re It"
" Everyone knows the thing happened even though I can't produce any actual evidence that it happened."
 

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Y'all cried for 4 years when Biden won And are still claiming that election was stolen. Just might having no evidence. But don't worry. We're not going to commit sedition and storm the capital or anything like maga
oh, there was evidence.

but, no judge or court would take up the cases and see if the evidence was valid or not..
 

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Judges don't take cases on heresay
That is not the reason they threw the cases out, they threw them out saying they didn't have standing. Elections are overseen by State governments and it was up to the state to investigate. However, now that the election has changed the administration we can demand that they now do the investigation they have been crying about for four years. They can't back down now. So we will soon find out how much election fraud there has been. Everyone, and that includes everyone, admits there is some election fraud. That is not up for dispute. The question that is up for dispute is if it was enough to swing the 2020 election. However, we just heard from Poland that half the money the US sent to Ukraine was laundered back to fund campaigns in 2022. So that alone is quite a bit of fraud.
 
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