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Drett

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This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006


http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/lebanon0907.pdf


and in its war against Palestinians in 2008.


https://www.amnesty.org/fr/library/...2-4a1c-b4c9-bfc4743dc131/mde150212009eng.html


Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons.


Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside | Mondoweiss


The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.


UNRWA Strongly Condemns Placement of Rockets in School | UNRWA


International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:


The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.

In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

The Magnes Zionist: The Breaking the Silence Gaza Testimonies: The Use of “Johnnies” as Human Shields

PressTV - Israeli military uses Palestinian kids as human shields: UN rights group

Israel: Soldiers’ Punishment for Using Boy as ‘Human Shield’ Inadequate | Human Rights Watch
 
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Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri urges Gazans to act as human shields for Hamas leaders targeted by Israel, arguing that it's been proven effective:

[video=youtube_share;eQ6S0-o3uFI]http://youtu.be/eQ6S0-o3uFI[/video]

Every year the kindergartens of Gaza graduate a new class of children dressed like terrorists and suicide bombers. There are child sized coffins decorated with the flags of Islamic terrorist groups and colorful balloons.

A teacher explained that, “In every year’s kindergarten graduation ceremonies we focus on the children to represent the role of struggling and resistance in the way of Allah.”
One child spoke of wanting to blow himself and kill the most Jews. The article boasted that the children were “hoping to be volunteers in the future.” Some don’t wait that long.

Children’s magazines and television shows encourage them to kill and die using everything from songs to costumed characters. On Pioneers of Tomorrow, the children are urged to grow up to kill Jews. “All of them?” a little girl isprompted. “Yes” is the reply.

Hamas does not just turn children into killers; it also uses them as human shields. Hamas has encouraged Gaza families to act as human shields. It was caught launching rockets near a school.

The Hamas Interior Minister had said that, “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry… This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen.”

When a Hamas spokesman encouraged the use of human shields, he cited the case of Nizar Riyyan
, a Hamas leader who deliberately surrounded himself with his own children when he knew that an attack was coming and asked other family members if they would like to die as martyrs with him.

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the religious leader of Hamas, had said, “There are no civilians in Israel, they are all military, all occupiers.”

Ismail Abu Shanab, one of the founders of Hamas, often described by the media as the most moderate Hamas leader, echoed the old monster, “There are no civilians in Israel.”

Article Seven of the Hamas Charter had already made it clear that the climax of its religious war would come with the complete extermination of all Jews.

That meant, as Rachid Ghannouchi had said, the extermination of men, women… and children.

Hamas uses its own children as human shields and cannon fodder. And it seeks to kill as many Jewish children as possible.

When Israelis accidentally kill Muslim children during a war, the country is traumatized. When Muslims kill Jewish children, they celebrate, like the passengers who applauded every time they heard another report of murdered Jewish children come in over the radio.

The Sbarro attack continues to be celebrated and commemorated by Hamas because the murder of children embodies its Islamic religious values.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymins, one of the leading Islamic religious figures in Saudi Arabia, explained why women and children should be killed. “What is apparent is that it is allowed for us to kill their women and children, even if that were to cause us to miss taking them as wealth (slaves), due to its breaking the hearts of the enemy.”

 

Drett

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This is proof you don't bother to read what I put before you answer.

If you actually read my post you would have seen I put that UNRWA link into it. So no the question has not been answered.


Yes they do. Answered. Next question.

Read: How the Media Is Helping Hamas

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UNRWA Strongly Condemns Placement of Rockets in School: UNRWA Strongly Condemns Placement of Rockets in School | UNRWA

[video=youtube_share;R8tM8w82n8I]http://youtu.be/R8tM8w82n8I[/video]
 

Drett

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Yet again you have gone off topic.

If you are a force that is killing your children then you need to protect them.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri urges Gazans to act as human shields for Hamas leaders targeted by Israel, arguing that it's been proven effective:

[video=youtube_share;eQ6S0-o3uFI]http://youtu.be/eQ6S0-o3uFI[/video]

Every year the kindergartens of Gaza graduate a new class of children dressed like terrorists and suicide bombers. There are child sized coffins decorated with the flags of Islamic terrorist groups and colorful balloons.

A teacher explained that, “In every year’s kindergarten graduation ceremonies we focus on the children to represent the role of struggling and resistance in the way of Allah.”
One child spoke of wanting to blow himself and kill the most Jews. The article boasted that the children were “hoping to be volunteers in the future.” Some don’t wait that long.

Children’s magazines and television shows encourage them to kill and die using everything from songs to costumed characters. On Pioneers of Tomorrow, the children are urged to grow up to kill Jews. “All of them?” a little girl isprompted. “Yes” is the reply.

Hamas does not just turn children into killers; it also uses them as human shields. Hamas has encouraged Gaza families to act as human shields. It was caught launching rockets near a school.

The Hamas Interior Minister had said that, “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry… This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen.”

When a Hamas spokesman encouraged the use of human shields, he cited the case of Nizar Riyyan
, a Hamas leader who deliberately surrounded himself with his own children when he knew that an attack was coming and asked other family members if they would like to die as martyrs with him.

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the religious leader of Hamas, had said, “There are no civilians in Israel, they are all military, all occupiers.”

Ismail Abu Shanab, one of the founders of Hamas, often described by the media as the most moderate Hamas leader, echoed the old monster, “There are no civilians in Israel.”

Article Seven of the Hamas Charter had already made it clear that the climax of its religious war would come with the complete extermination of all Jews.

That meant, as Rachid Ghannouchi had said, the extermination of men, women… and children.

Hamas uses its own children as human shields and cannon fodder. And it seeks to kill as many Jewish children as possible.

When Israelis accidentally kill Muslim children during a war, the country is traumatized. When Muslims kill Jewish children, they celebrate, like the passengers who applauded every time they heard another report of murdered Jewish children come in over the radio.

The Sbarro attack continues to be celebrated and commemorated by Hamas because the murder of children embodies its Islamic religious values.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymins, one of the leading Islamic religious figures in Saudi Arabia, explained why women and children should be killed. “What is apparent is that it is allowed for us to kill their women and children, even if that were to cause us to miss taking them as wealth (slaves), due to its breaking the hearts of the enemy.”

 
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You're sputtering denials of something they ARE doing Drett. The facts show that the terrorist organization Hamas is using willing civilians as human shields. The question's answered. The answer is YES, they are.
 

Drett

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Really ?

Sderot cinema where the Israelis settler sit cheering as they watch Gaza get bombed.

Locals cheer bombing from ‘Sderot cinema’ as Israel steps up attacks on Hamas in Gaza strip | News.com.au



Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri urges Gazans to act as human shields for Hamas leaders targeted by Israel, arguing that it's been proven effective:

[video=youtube_share;eQ6S0-o3uFI]http://youtu.be/eQ6S0-o3uFI[/video]


When Israelis accidentally kill Muslim children during a war, the country is traumatized. When Muslims kill Jewish children, they celebrate, like the passengers who applauded every time they heard another report of murdered Jewish children come in over the radio.



 
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Drett...are you Christian...if so then you need to read your Bible about the matter...period. Suck it up dude! As Christians we are to support Israel whether we like it or not.
 

Drett

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You're sputtering denials of something they ARE doing Drett. The facts show that the terrorist organization Hamas is using willing civilians as human shields. The question's answered. The answer is YES, they are.
Sorry AOG. What I provided are facts. You provide sound bytes.
 

Drett

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What do you have to say to the paster of East Jerusalem then

Palestinian Christian: Western Christians Don't Understand Gaza/Israeli Conflict

"The Christians in the west, most of them, they don't know the realities here. They don't know who is occupying who, who is oppressing who, who is confiscating whose land, who is building walls to try and separate people from one another," Alex Awad, who also pastors East Jerusalem Church, told The Christian Post.



Drett...are you Christian...if so then you need to read your Bible about the matter...period. Suck it up dude! As Christians we are to support Israel whether we like it or not.
 

Drett

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ok I got to go recharge the soul again. Something about debating people on why bombing of women and children is wrong tends to drain you a bit. I don't know how Zone managed it for so long.
 
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Yes really. “Palestinians in Hebron cheer as Gaza rockets fly toward Israeli population centers,” Reuters, July 13, 2014. View video: Chromeless Video Player

Here more Palestinians cheer as Hamas fires missiles into Israel :

[video=youtube_share;vqVady9g5V8]http://youtu.be/vqVady9g5V8[/video]



Really ?

Sderot cinema where the Israelis settler sit cheering as they watch Gaza get bombed.

Locals cheer bombing from ‘Sderot cinema’ as Israel steps up attacks on Hamas in Gaza strip | News.com.au
 
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Now you're being hypocritical. Hamas is a terrorist organization attacking Israeli civilians and hiding behind a brainwashed Islamic population of willing human shields who cheer and party when the bombs fly at civilians in Israel.



ok I got to go recharge the soul again. Something about debating people on why bombing of women and children is wrong tends to drain you a bit. I don't know how Zone managed it for so long.
 
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You provided some biased lefty propaganda. I provided facts. You've got it turned around.

Human Rights Watch (HRW), for example, are guilty of blatantly biased one-sided propaganda having compiled long track-records of extreme anti-Israel partisanship.

For example, Sarah Leah Whitson, who currently serves as director of HRW's Middle East and North Africa division, previously worked for two non-governmental organizations -- MADRE and the Center for Social and Economic Rights (CESR) -- that routinely refer to Israel as an “apartheid” state that is guilty of “brutality” against the Palestinians while completely ignoring the terrorist Jihadist activities of Hamas.

Former HRW researcher Lucy Mair also worked for CESR prior to joining HRW, and she wrote regularly for the anti-Israel website Electronic Intifada. Nadia Barhoum, whom HRW hired in 2008, had previously been a leading member of the radical UC Berkeley chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine, where she frequently characterized Israel as an “apartheid state” guilty of “mass atrocities.”

And here you are trying to pass this blatantly anti-Israel pro-Hamas organization's propaganda off. Save your breath. You're not fooling me.

Amnesty International is better but they follow the lead of other radical leftist groups and push abortion on demand as birth control for convenience everywhere they operate.

And you flat out misstated UNRWA which is asserting the opposite of what you are asserting. UNRWA is asserting Hamas is launching rocket attacks from Palestinian elementary schools and supporting their assertions with empirical evidence.

Bunch of lefty propaganda from radical leftist groups with a misstatement is all I see. Your "facts" are radical leftist anti-Israeli pro-Hamas propaganda. Nothing more.


Sorry AOG. What I provided are facts. You provide sound bytes.
 

Drett

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Thought you would get the last word. :)

You made your judgement before you even read what I put. I highlighted that early on. This judgement would have more credibility if you actually looked at what I posted before making it. If it makes you feel better to discount it all as lefty propaganda then so be it. Saves you from from that time consuming chore of debating what has been put forward.

You provided some biased lefty propaganda. I provided facts. You've got it turned around.

Human Rights Watch (HRW), for example, are guilty of blatantly biased one-sided propaganda having compiled long track-records of extreme anti-Israel partisanship.

For example, Sarah Leah Whitson, who currently serves as director of HRW's Middle East and North Africa division, previously worked for two non-governmental organizations -- MADRE and the Center for Social and Economic Rights (CESR) -- that routinely refer to Israel as an “apartheid” state that is guilty of “brutality” against the Palestinians while completely ignoring the terrorist Jihadist activities of Hamas.

Former HRW researcher Lucy Mair also worked for CESR prior to joining HRW, and she wrote regularly for the anti-Israel website Electronic Intifada. Nadia Barhoum, whom HRW hired in 2008, had previously been a leading member of the radical UC Berkeley chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine, where she frequently characterized Israel as an “apartheid state” guilty of “mass atrocities.”

And here you are trying to pass this blatantly anti-Israel pro-Hamas organization's propaganda off. Save your breath. You're not fooling me.

Amnesty International is better but they follow the lead of other radical leftist groups and push abortion on demand as birth control for convenience everywhere they operate.

And you flat out misstated UNRWA which is asserting the opposite of what you are asserting. UNRWA is asserting Hamas is launching rocket attacks from Palestinian elementary schools and supporting their assertions with empirical evidence.

Bunch of lefty propaganda from radical leftist groups with a misstatement is all I see. Your "facts" are radical leftist anti-Israeli pro-Hamas propaganda. Nothing more.
 

Drett

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UNRWA discovered approximately 20 rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip. UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations.

No they said they stored 20 rockets in an empty school. As I said in my opening post which you did not read.

And you flat out misstated UNRWA which is asserting the opposite of what you are asserting. UNRWA is asserting Hamas is launching rocket attacks from Palestinian elementary schools and supporting their assertions with empirical evidence.
 
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Casting pearls before swine

Bigotry
 

Agricola

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Firing missiles next to civilian and public buildings is a clear undeniable use of human shields. Destroy these missile batteries and civilians will inevitably die.

[video=youtube;ETm2o0RUB5g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETm2o0RUB5g[/video]