Donald Trump Helped Write Donald Trump JR's Initial Statement

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p_rehbein

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Pretty sure that remains an allegation at this point.......Offering suggestions/opinions is not the same as INSTRUCTING as in ORDERING.

It's an issue because they lied about it. Trump's lawyer said that Donald Trump wasn't even involved in writing the statement. Now, it's come out that the President of the United States instructed his son to release a statement that contained lies.
 
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ROSSELLA

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Ccnsidering you seem to be all for exposing lies, i would hope you would also be for exposing the lies of the mainstream media who try to deceive the people
Enough with the "fake news" conspiracy. Yes every news station has a bias, yes sometimes they get things wrong, and yes some reporters even lie, but the idea that they constantly set out to deceive the public is ridiculous.
You notice the only ones that Trump derides as liars are the ones that criticize him. Let me know when he releases a statement saying , " [Fill in news station] said I am a great husband who never cheats on his wives and a father who never makes creepy statements about his daughter's breasts. Fake news! Sad!"
 
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ROSSELLA

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Pretty sure that remains an allegation at this point.......Offering suggestions/opinions is not the same as INSTRUCTING as in ORDERING.
The White House has admitted Donald Trump was involved in the drafting of the statement. Suggesting his son lie to the American public isn't really better....
 

Tommy379

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The White House has admitted Donald Trump was involved in the drafting of the statement. Suggesting his son lie to the American public isn't really better....
So if the White House says Donald Trump was involved in drafting a statement.... who exactly is lying?
 
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@Tommy (not letting me quote): The original post sums up all the lies. Admitting to the truth (and at this point it could have been the POTUS writing the whole thing and he could still be lying; he doesn't seem to know what telling the truth means) after one gets caught in a lie doesn't mean the lie didn't happen. And even the admission has lies in it, as it says the original statement was accurate, even though Donald Trump Jr. later contradicted it.
 

Tommy379

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@Tommy (not letting me quote): The original post sums up all the lies. Admitting to the truth (and at this point it could have been the POTUS writing the whole thing and he could still be lying; he doesn't seem to know what telling the truth means) after one gets caught in a lie doesn't mean the lie didn't happen. And even the admission has lies in it, as it says the original statement was accurate, even though Donald Trump Jr. later contradicted it.
This whole story is based on an unknown informant....... it's also possible it's made up.
 
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Some of you guys are pretty sick. I think you would try to call Trump a liar if he called a crowd of 9,983 people, a crowd of 10,000.
 

Tommy379

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I assumed the news makers were just biased during Clinton's first term, but Dan Rather convinced me, that the news makers were could be outright liars.
 
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This whole story is based on an unknown informant....... it's also possible it's made up.
Which one? The one where Trump's lawyer said Trump didn't help write the statement or the one where Sanders said Trump did? They contradict each other. If one's true then the other's a lie.
 

Tommy379

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Which one? The one where Trump's lawyer said Trump didn't help write the statement or the one where Sanders said Trump did? They contradict each other. If one's true then the other's a lie.
Not necessarily. One or both could be relying on bad information.
 
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ROSSELLA

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Not necessarily. One or both could be relying on bad information.
Sanders and Trump's lawyer are both speaking on behalf of the president. If the first was a lie, Donald Trump could have easily done what he always does when contradicting his staff and tweet the true story. If the second, he could have done the same. There are only two theories that would mean he was telling the truth. One is if he was being held hostage and they were releasing the statements on his behalf. And monitoring what he was writing on Twitter so he couldn't leak it. The other theory would be that every single news network that broadcasted Sanders public statement bribed the members of the crowd to keep silent as to the contents of the speech, then digitally manipulated her voice and mouth to make it look and sound like she was saying one thing when she was saying the other. And the station that held the interview with the lawyer had a gun trained on the lawyer. After the interview was aired, the lawyer would have to be monitored to make sure he didn't come out and say the truth. Oh, and everyone in the White House is either a hostage or in on it.
Those theories...no, they're not true. So Donald Trump is lying.
 

Tommy379

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Sanders and Trump's lawyer are both speaking on behalf of the president. If the first was a lie, Donald Trump could have easily done what he always does when contradicting his staff and tweet the true story. If the second, he could have done the same. There are only two theories that would mean he was telling the truth. One is if he was being held hostage and they were releasing the statements on his behalf. And monitoring what he was writing on Twitter so he couldn't leak it. The other theory would be that every single news network that broadcasted Sanders public statement bribed the members of the crowd to keep silent as to the contents of the speech, then digitally manipulated her voice and mouth to make it look and sound like she was saying one thing when she was saying the other. And the station that held the interview with the lawyer had a gun trained on the lawyer. After the interview was aired, the lawyer would have to be monitored to make sure he didn't come out and say the truth. Oh, and everyone in the White House is either a hostage or in on it.
Those theories...no, they're not true. So Donald Trump is lying.
You would be surprised by how many lawyers never speak to their client and have absolutely no grasp of the facts.
 

Billyd

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Did father tell son what to say? Did son say what father told him to say? This is real news. All I can say is WOW!
 
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You would be surprised by how many lawyers never speak to their client and have absolutely no grasp of the facts.
If Sanders or Sekulow released inaccurate statements without consulting Trump or through misunderstanding Trump, then Trump could have come out and said it. He didn't. He was perfectly happy to have the public believe a lie about him. As the President of the United States it's his duty to speak out if he's misrepresented; not doing so is just as deceptive as if he were saying it himself. As far as Sekulow and Sanders...first of all, it would be political suicide to make a statement on behalf of the president without checking with him first. Second of all, they represent the President of the United States. They have the authority to speak on his behalf in these situations. They need to be held to a higher standard than most lawyers because a misconstrued statement could lead to riots or war. It's Donald Trump's job to uphold this standard. So even if they misrepresented him, it's still Donald Trump who allowed the people to be deceived.
That being said, past behavior predicts present and future behavior. Donald Trump has lied and acted unethically for decades. He acted so during the campaign. And there's no reason to leap through hoops to try to imagine scenarios where he's doing differently now.
 
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Jennie-Mae

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I was against him being elected president, but now, whenever he is elected, let's pray for him instead of bashing him.
 
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I was against him being elected president, but now, whenever he is elected, let's pray for him instead of bashing him.
I do pray for him. But criticizing him isn't the same as bashing. John the Baptist criticized Herod and Herodias. Nathan criticized David for sleeping with or raping Bathsheba. Samuel criticized Saul for...well, lots of things. No where in the Bible does obedience to a ruler mean remaining silent when what they do is wrong or pretending that they're righteous when they aren't.
 

RedeemedGift

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If Sanders or Sekulow released inaccurate statements without consulting Trump or through misunderstanding Trump, then Trump could have come out and said it. He didn't. He was perfectly happy to have the public believe a lie about him. As the President of the United States it's his duty to speak out if he's misrepresented; not doing so is just as deceptive as if he were saying it himself. As far as Sekulow and Sanders...first of all, it would be political suicide to make a statement on behalf of the president without checking with him first. Second of all, they represent the President of the United States. They have the authority to speak on his behalf in these situations. They need to be held to a higher standard than most lawyers because a misconstrued statement could lead to riots or war. It's Donald Trump's job to uphold this standard. So even if they misrepresented him, it's still Donald Trump who allowed the people to be deceived.
That being said, past behavior predicts present and future behavior. Donald Trump has lied and acted unethically for decades. He acted so during the campaign. And there's no reason to leap through hoops to try to imagine scenarios where he's doing differently now.
That's a point that many people do forget. Has Trump ever been seen as anything besides sleazy and corrupt?
 
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Jennie-Mae

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I do pray for him. But criticizing him isn't the same as bashing. John the Baptist criticized Herod and Herodias. Nathan criticized David for sleeping with or raping Bathsheba. Samuel criticized Saul for...well, lots of things. No where in the Bible does obedience to a ruler mean remaining silent when what they do is wrong or pretending that they're righteous when they aren't.
He can be criticized, but I prefer to say a prayer for him instead.
 
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ROSSELLA

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He can be criticized, but I prefer to say a prayer for him instead.
I respect that. I feel that I need to do both, though. I pray for Trump and all elected officials to do God's will and make the correct decisions. But to remain silent when a leader behaves unethically and against his own country's ideals is dangerous. Thank God we live in a country where we're encouraged to voice our opinions and where are leaders can't operate unchecked.