Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President?

[Drett]

What criteria would make a president whose only major accomplishment has been roundly defined as a total disaster, 15th best?

As I stated they conceded that it was hard to rate him back in 2010.

This what they stated

President tend to rank around 20th while they are in office, and Obama is no exception.

Obama secured a top ten place in two skill set categories, communication ability (7th) and ability to compromise (10th), and in two personality trait categories, imagination (6th) and intelligence (8th). Background, described as family, education, and experience, proved his lowest score at 32nd.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

He's not "my man." I'm not a Republican. I'm not registered with the Republican Party. I did not vote for George W. Bush. Your statement is false.

Next time, please do ask rather than simply make false assumptions and publicly assert your false assumptions as if they were somehow true when they are, in fact, FALSE.

I criticize both Bush's, Clinton (though not to the same degree as the others), and Obama extensively and rightfully so. You should try it sometime instead of sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich whenever a liberal is in office.

You should tell us more about the Successes of your man George W Bush. Do you know the exact account of the Christian children killed in the Iraq War?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Please provide your source for this assertion so that I can qualify it. Thank you.

President tend to rank around 20th while they are in office, and Obama is no exception.

Obama secured a top ten place in two skill set categories, communication ability (7th) and ability to compromise (10th), and in two personality trait categories, imagination (6th) and intelligence (8th). Background, described as family, education, and experience, proved his lowest score at 32nd.

 

[Drett]

Please provide your source for this assertion so that I can qualify it. Thank you.

My link was in my earlier post to Sim. I have no opinion on it, I am merely relaying it.

Survey Ranks Obama 15th Best President, Bush Among Worst - US News

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Oh, I see. It's just a New York Roman Catholic University's survey of non-specialists in the general population. No big deal.

My link was in my earlier post to Sim. I have no opinion on it, I am merely relaying it.

Survey Ranks Obama 15th Best President, Bush Among Worst - US News

 

[Drett]

Oh, I see. It's just a New York Roman Catholic University's survey of non-specialists in the general population. No big deal.

I am not sure where you got the New York RC Uni from ? They did call them presidential scholars. I would have thought some specialization is needed in presidential leadership is needed to be called one ?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I consider Bush sr to be the worst president in my lifetime, pre 2008

Heh I have to say you are full of surprises brother. Now I lived during Bush SR., but of course I was playing with stuffed animals and reading classic literature like Hungry Hungry Caterpillar at the time lol.

Looking back on late 20th Century history though I personally have a favorable view on Bush Sr. by comparison to the other Presidents of my lifetime. So he raised a lil taxes, so what? Bush Sr. was a pretty good politician, have good stats for his rule, perhaps one of the strongest foreign policy leaders of my lifetime, and personally I think Reagan was little more than a showman and that Bush Sr. was the real brains and person running the show behind the Reagan Administration, especially since it has now been disclosed Reagan was senile the last few years of his term. Lol it don't take a political scientist to figure out who was really running the coutnry in the 1980s, the former head of the CIA and first ambassador to China or an actor that consulted astrologers for advice? Me thinks the the CIA head ran the real show.




As for this ranking of Obama as 15th best President lol, that was a good laugh indeed. I think its vanity and absurd to rank Obama to the other Presidents when he still have over 2 years left in his term to either totally screw up or redeem his legacy somewhat. Ain't looking too good right now, but eh, we shall see.

 

[JustAnotherUser]

LOL no.........

 

[Elizabeth619]

My link was in my earlier post to Sim. I have no opinion on it, I am merely relaying it.

Survey Ranks Obama 15th Best President, Bush Among Worst - US News

This was also done by professors with a liberal bias.

Polls are misleading. It isn't easy finding one that doesn't have a political bias.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

What's the problem. The article you linked to said it was Siena College Research Institute's recent survey. Siena College Research Institute is just a hall on a college campus. Specifically, it's an affiliate of Siena College located in Hines Hall on their college campus.

Siena College itself is an independent Roman Catholic liberal arts college in Loudonville, New York. Siena is a four-year college. They don't even have a master's degree programs there.

That's fine if undergraduate students want to conduct a survey. I don't mind. But let's not pretend that it's some kind of scholarly study. It's not. It's just a survey by some college students.

I am not sure where you got the New York RC Uni from ? They did call them presidential scholars. I would have thought some specialization is needed in presidential leadership is needed to be called one ?

 

[SonInMe]

I don't think it should be a surprise I think Bush sr was horrible.

He not only dismantled Reaganomics, he gave fuel to the lies about it. He sold out true conservatism by embracing the idea that government can be the solution.

Like his son.

Nixon was bad too, without any consideration of Watergate. Wage and price controls, detente...... all very flawed ideals.

Ford..for an athlete he sure tripped alot.

Ronald Reagan...nuff said.

Clinton accomplished nothing. His only accomplishment, other than the ability to stain dresses, was agreeing with a republican congress. A proven liar, in court, for which he was impeached and lost his law license.

Jr was an absolute terrible domestic policy president but a good foreign policy president. When you fight wars against non-soldier type guerrillas who like to hide behind the skirts of women and the short pants of children, casualties happen. War is not pretty and the world is not about appeasement and singing kumbya.

Obama....the biggest scam the USA has ever seen. Not qualified. Doesn't even know what the president is about. If he is a great communicator then people enjoy being lied to, he is very good at that. Socialist...and that is the kindest word I can think of, politically to call him. Sat under a racist pastor for 20 years, though to be honest the racism wasn't as important to Obama than the political clout he received from the association...until the Rev shot his mouth off and then...boom. Bye bye.

Lybian ambassador.

 

[Drett]

What's the problem. The article you linked to said it was Siena College Research Institute's recent survey. Siena College Research Institute is just a hall on a college campus. Specifically, it's an affiliate of Siena College located in Hines Hall on their college campus.

Siena College itself is an independent Roman Catholic liberal arts college in Loudonville, New York. Siena is a four-year college. They don't even have a master's degree programs there.

That's fine if undergraduate students want to conduct a survey. I don't mind. But let's not pretend that it's some kind of scholarly study. It's not. It's just a survey by some college students.

Thanks for the clarity.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You've been displaying a consistent maturity for weeks now in your posts. I've noticed. Good job.

Thanks for the clarity.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

We could have prevented incurring trillions and trillions of dollars of debt only to end up in the same place.

Behold, the future. The total federal budget will be above 22% of GDP in 10 years as interest payments on the national debt we unnecessarily incurred rapidly increase. I've seen the government's projected future revenues for this period and they are materially overestimating them... not going to happen.

Seriously, it's NOT going to happen if we stay the course we are on.

Definitely not going to happen without major change.

And guess what, full time job employment is still way down AND so is what they pay AND many go to foreign born workers now bypassing U.S. citizens. The point being is that it would take a miracle for the U.S. to recover completely before another recession hits if we stay the course we're on.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I like those graphs there. Notice this, it is true Obama has raised revenues and exports, so we can give him a little credit on that point. I think where the problem lays is the over-spending really for which Obama must eat of that dish too. Really if we could just rein in some of the spending I think we could turn the ship around, it's not totally out of reach just yet.

The problem with over-spending is a hard problem to deal with too because to tackle it we have to nix a lot of Obamacare/Healthcare/Medicare/Medicaid programs and also drastically scale down or abolish Social Security. There's just no way around that harsh fact. The only alternative would be to raise taxes to such a level that economic growth would essentially halt in its tracks. Austerity measures are necessary for economic well being, but at the same time if Europe is any indicator, you can expect a lot of gripe and unrest if you do such. Sort of a darned if you do (every Boomer and Xer in the nation will hate you) darned if you don't (near future economic meltdown) situation is way I see it. So we shall see.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

We have to do whole LOT more than simply rein in spending GodIsSalvation. A whole LOT more. We need to fix trade so a large number of Americans go back to work at good paying full time jobs. This increases revenue to local, state, and federal governments in the form of taxes while removing people from costly social services programs. A bonus of this is private charities to the poor benefit too and small businesses form to service all of these newly employed full time, well paid, workers.

We need to reform monopoly capitalism so small business creation can begin again in a material way. Main Street needs revival and reforming monopoly capitalism is the primary way to do that. This creates many more good paying jobs, removes people from social services, and increases revenue for government.

We need to implement real immigration reform which is exactly the opposite of what the mainstream press calls immigration reform. They use the term simply as code for amnesty and importing more poor immigrants (educated and uneducated) into the worse U.S. domestic labor market since the Great Depression. Any first year economic student will explain how supply and demand works. When you materially increase the supply of labor beyond demand, it leaves a lot of unemployed, underemployed, and underpaid people in it's wake... exactly what we observe presently.

I could continue but you should be beginning to see that fixing our economy goes far beyond simply reducing spending.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

We have to do whole LOT more than simply rein in spending GodIsSalvation. A whole LOT more. We need to fix trade so a large number of Americans go back to work at good paying full time jobs. This increases revenue to local, state, and federal governments in the form of taxes while removing people from costly social services programs. A bonus of this is private charities to the poor benefit too and small businesses form to service all of these newly employed full time, well paid, workers.

We need to reform monopoly capitalism so small business creation can begin again in a material way. Main Street needs revival and reforming monopoly capitalism is the primary way to do that. This creates many more good paying jobs, removes people from social services, and increases revenue for government.

We need to implement real immigration reform which is exactly the opposite of what the mainstream press calls immigration reform. They use the term simply as code for amnesty and importing more poor immigrants (educated and uneducated) into the worse U.S. domestic labor market since the Great Depression. Any first year economic student will explain how supply and demand works. When you materially increase the supply of labor beyond demand, it leaves a lot of unemployed, underemployed, and underpaid people in it's wake... exactly what we observe presently.

I could continue but you should be beginning to see that fixing our economy goes far beyond simply reducing spending.

This is true, though I still see the over-spending as the main crux. Even with an ideal labor market though the fact that SS alone is unsustainable is like a ticking economic timebomb waiting to go off. Add to that the Obamacare fiasco and how much that has cost and will continue to cost and our spending problem puts this country into dire straits.

You raise many good points though and many common sense solutions that could at least get us back onto the path of fixing this mess, and it is indeed a complex problem. Heh, have you ever considerred running for office brother? I'd vote for ya.

 

[wisebeardman]

This was also done by professors with a liberal bias.

Polls are misleading. It isn't easy finding one that doesn't have a political bias.

yeah no kidding, I see it all the time liberal polls,liberal media all saying how great obummer is, but I never really can find anyone on the street that likes the guy. honestly id of rather had two more terms of Bush and I didn't really like that guy ether...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

As a straight A MBA, I'm telling you that much of our "over spending," as you call it, can be normalized through a boom economy that removes people off social services enmasse and turns them into well paid taxpayers enmasse. This is supplemented with VATs on imports via trade reform, reform in the financial and banking sector, political sector reform (especially with respect to the legislature robbing entitlement funds and bailing out Wall Street), etc.... The budget gets balanced and the debt paid down too.

And why would I run for political office? As an independent political voter who is a Christian white male with conservative family values: I'd get crucified by the leftards and neo-cons just like Jesus was crucified by the unbelieving Jews and pagan Romans.

This is true, though I still see the over-spending as the main crux. Even with an ideal labor market though the fact that SS alone is unsustainable is like a ticking economic timebomb waiting to go off. Add to that the Obamacare fiasco and how much that has cost and will continue to cost and our spending problem puts this country into dire straits.

You raise many good points though and many common sense solutions that could at least get us back onto the path of fixing this mess, and it is indeed a complex problem. Heh, have you ever considerred running for office brother? I'd vote for ya.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

But really how do you turn a nation's economy around when the social fabric of that nation is rapidly disintegrating from the properly tuned and well played classical work of art necessary to implement the desirable change into an almost total cacophony?

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