Former President Trump Indicted By DOJ

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The indictment does not charge him with having classified documents, if they did you would have to charge Biden and Clinton as well. No, the indictment charged him with obstruction of justice. Which means they are not saying that his having the documents was criminal but that the crime was in how they handed them over. They used the term "willful retention of documents" meaning having them was not the crime but the way in which you returned them was.

So that raises a couple of very difficult questions

1. If having the documents was not a crime can you really have obstruction of justice?

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2. His lawyers handled all communication with the Federal government. If you are claiming the lawyers did something wrong can you really charge Trump with a crime for how the lawyers acted?
He Is being charged with his Mishandling of the documents which He HIMSELF made It a crime to mishandle documents. ——> Fact check
 

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He Is being charged with his Mishandling of the documents which He HIMSELF made It a crime to mishandle documents. ——> Fact check
So why wouldn't you charge Joe Biden? He had documents in numerous places, they weren't guarded, they weren't in a vault, and he had no right as VP to declassify them. There is evidence on Hunter Biden's laptop that he read those documents and shared the contents with foreign powers. How is allowing these classified documents to be seen by his crackhead son and shared with foreign powers for money not mishandling?

Likewise, what about Hillary Clinton, she had documents on her private server, it was clearly mishandling the documents, when asked for them they all vanished, and I have even heard testimony that when the Secret Service inspected her server it had been hacked. Hillary's whole "foundation" was a pay to play scheme. It may very well be that they paid to "hack" her server. How is that not mishandling documents?

When they say that "no one is above the law" does that include Biden and Clinton? The more people justify Trump being charged the more this whole thing stinks.
 

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He Is being charged with his Mishandling of the documents which He HIMSELF made It a crime to mishandle documents. ——> Fact check

Baloney, he didn't mishandle anything. He's the president. MSM wants to deny that. Every other person, Clinton, Biden, Pence, did not have the right that he does. He was PRESIDENT!! smh
 

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Baloney, he didn't mishandle anything. He's the president. MSM wants to deny that. Every other person, Clinton, Biden, Pence, did not have the right that he does. He was PRESIDENT!! smh
Whenever you bring a charge against someone and go to court over it people will be judged. The defendant may be judged guilty, the prosecutor may be judged guilty, the DA may be judged guilty, the judge may be judged guilty. They are putting Donald Trump into the ring with these charges. If you are a prize fighter then that is what you do. Trump is a prize fighter and this trial is the best thing that can happen to his campaign if he can prove the DA is guilty.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please. We are about to witness an exciting bout between two formidable prize fighters. Before we commence, I'd like to address Trump and the DA directly.

Remember, this is a contest of skill and sportsmanship. Obey the rules at all times and respect the decisions of the jury. Protect yourselves at all times, and may the best fighter emerge victorious. Now, let's have a clean fight and give the audience a thrilling battle they won't forget. Good luck to both of you!
 

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Whenever you bring a charge against someone and go to court over it people will be judged. The defendant may be judged guilty, the prosecutor may be judged guilty, the DA may be judged guilty, the judge may be judged guilty. They are putting Donald Trump into the ring with these charges. If you are a prize fighter then that is what you do. Trump is a prize fighter and this trial is the best thing that can happen to his campaign if he can prove the DA is guilty.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please. We are about to witness an exciting bout between two formidable prize fighters. Before we commence, I'd like to address Trump and the DA directly.

Remember, this is a contest of skill and sportsmanship. Obey the rules at all times and respect the decisions of the jury. Protect yourselves at all times, and may the best fighter emerge victorious. Now, let's have a clean fight and give the audience a thrilling battle they won't forget. Good luck to both of you!
Yes brother, but you and I both know it's not a clean fight, it's been slanted from the beginning. They are so scared of this man they need to lock him up.
 

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Yes brother, but you and I both know it's not a clean fight, it's been slanted from the beginning. They are so scared of this man they need to lock him up.
I also know what Gamaliel said --
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. 36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. 37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. 38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
 

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Whenever you bring a charge against someone and go to court over it people will be judged. The defendant may be judged guilty, the prosecutor may be judged guilty, the DA may be judged guilty, the judge may be judged guilty. They are putting Donald Trump into the ring with these charges. If you are a prize fighter then that is what you do. Trump is a prize fighter and this trial is the best thing that can happen to his campaign if he can prove the DA is guilty.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please. We are about to witness an exciting bout between two formidable prize fighters. Before we commence, I'd like to address Trump and the DA directly.

Remember, this is a contest of skill and sportsmanship. Obey the rules at all times and respect the decisions of the jury. Protect yourselves at all times, and may the best fighter emerge victorious. Now, let's have a clean fight and give the audience a thrilling battle they won't forget. Good luck to both of you!


'Remember The Laptop From Hell?': Trump Puts Hunter Biden In Crosshairs In Post-Indictment Speech

Turn the trial into a campaign event.
 

iamsoandso

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Well then it seems from all the comparisons of Trump not doing anything that Hillery,Hunter,Joe or Mike didn't also do there's only one logical conclusion,,,Trump is just as corrupt as Mike,Hillery,Hunter and Joe...
 

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Well then it seems from all the comparisons of Trump not doing anything that Hillery,Hunter,Joe or Mike didn't also do there's only one logical conclusion,,,Trump is just as corrupt as Mike,Hillery,Hunter and Joe...
Good point, what have Mike, Hillary, Hunter and Joe been convicted of? I missed their trials.
 
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So why wouldn't you charge Joe Biden? He had documents in numerous places, they weren't guarded, they weren't in a vault, and he had no right as VP to declassify them. There is evidence on Hunter Biden's laptop that he read those documents and shared the contents with foreign powers. How is allowing these classified documents to be seen by his crackhead son and shared with foreign powers for money not mishandling?

Likewise, what about Hillary Clinton, she had documents on her private server, it was clearly mishandling the documents, when asked for them they all vanished, and I have even heard testimony that when the Secret Service inspected her server it had been hacked. Hillary's whole "foundation" was a pay to play scheme. It may very well be that they paid to "hack" her server. How is that not mishandling documents?

When they say that "no one is above the law" does that include Biden and Clinton? The more people justify Trump being charged the more this whole thing stinks.
A N Y B O D Y doing Illegal activity that can be proven S H O U L D be charged whether Its Donald Trump OR Joe Biden or Abe lincoln for that matter.
 

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A N Y B O D Y doing Illegal activity that can be proven S H O U L D be charged whether Its Donald Trump OR Joe Biden or Abe lincoln for that matter.
I don't think you can charge someone who is already dead. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems like a real waste of time and resources.
 
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Baloney, he didn't mishandle anything. He's the president. MSM wants to deny that. Every other person, Clinton, Biden, Pence, did not have the right that he does. He was PRESIDENT!! smh
Did you read what I wrote,He H I M S E L F made It a crime what do you mean by B A L O N E Y?

Side-note: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW even If they are the President of the United States
 

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I don't think you can charge someone who is already dead. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems like a real waste of time and resources.
They can't be charged, but some still vote.
 

iamsoandso

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Good point, what have Mike, Hillary, Hunter and Joe been convicted of? I missed their trials.
Yep if Mac Issac would have never hacked into the contents of that HD it might be different but if someone edits a HD it leaves cryptographic signatures if a file is created, legitimate or illegitimate. Rudy Giuliani should have known that without a court order it's contents would no longer be submitted as evidence. When I read the FBI's opinion of Hillery's server they saw it as amateur stuff that she got a big box store. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy
 

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Did you read what I wrote,He H I M S E L F made It a crime what do you mean by B A L O N E Y?

Side-note: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW even If they are the President of the United States
Sounds like a slam dunk case then, perhaps Trump will be interested in a plea deal. :LOL::ROFL:
 
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I also know what Gamaliel said --
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. 36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. 37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. 38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
If Donald Trump goes to Jail or worse Prison GOD Forbid would that be GODs will?
 

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If Donald Trump goes to Jail or worse Prison GOD Forbid would that be GODs will?
When Biden was declared the winner of the presidential race with 81 million there were celebratory emails sent around my family and I responded "yes, I am very interested in seeing how this turns out". They exploded, "it is over". So yes, I have learned my lesson, this is what it means when libtards tell you to shut up because it is over.
 

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He has been indicted on Federal charges for storing dozens of classified document at his Florida resort and refusing to return them to the FBI and the National Archives. He is summoned to court in Miami next Tuesday. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/08/1181193212/trump-special-counsel-mar-a-lago
It will come down to we're they officially declassified in the correct manner. Trump had the power to do so unlike Biden as Vice President or Hillary as Secretary of State.

“presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.

The extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.” (The American Bar Association)

There has been no evidence as of today if these documents ever became a threat or comprised national security.

Interesting enough is at the same time Biden is on the horizon for for impeachment as (actual evidence of treasonous crimes) keeps mounting.
 

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It will come down to we're they officially declassified in the correct manner. Trump had the power to do so unlike Biden as Vice President or Hillary as Secretary of State.

“presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.

The extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.” (The American Bar Association)

There has been no evidence as of today if these documents ever became a threat or comprised national security.

Interesting enough is at the same time Biden is on the horizon for for impeachment as (actual evidence of treasonous crimes) keeps mounting.
So then, when he left office did he fill out all the paperwork correctly? Seems reasonable, let's put a former president in prison for the rest of his life because he failed to fill out some document from National Archives correctly. No different from any other person retiring from a job, if you don't fill out the paperwork correctly they can put you in prison for the rest of your life. I guess that is what they mean by no one is above the law. I think it would help if they gave us a precedent where a teacher or policeman also was put in prison for doing that.
 

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He has been indicted on Federal charges for storing dozens of classified document at his Florida resort and refusing to return them to the FBI and the National Archives. He is summoned to court in Miami next Tuesday. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/08/1181193212/trump-special-counsel-mar-a-lago
I would assume his defense could argue a violation of the 14th amendment due process clause.

Procedural Due Process Civil
SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
ANNOTATIONS
Generally

Due process requires that the procedures by which laws are applied must be evenhanded, so that individuals are not subjected to the arbitrary exercise of government power.737 Exactly what procedures are needed to satisfy due process, however, will vary depending on the circumstances and subject matter involved.738 A basic threshold issue respecting whether due process is satisfied is whether the government conduct being examined is a part of a criminal or civil proceeding.739 The appropriate framework for assessing procedural rules in the field of criminal law is determining whether the procedure is offensive to the concept of fundamental fairness.


(It is plainly obvious that fairness and evenhanded use of the law has not been evenly applied to political candidates. )