From Jesus to Bieber, NY Pastor Makes Church Trendy

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VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Every Sunday thousands flock to Hillsong Church in New York City, but it's not your typical, traditional church.
It is complete with strobe lights, concert-like worship and an unconventional leader in its pastor, Carl Lentz.
The 35-year-old Lentz looks more like a rockstar than a man of the cloth. He chooses to wear leather jackets and jeans instead of a suit and tie.
Lentz's message is also out of the box.
"Our church is awesome; I love it," he told CBN News. "It's extremely imperfect and that's why everybody fits in."
"One time somebody was like 'I don't come to church 'cause there's a lot of hypocrites,' and I'm like 'We've got room for one more,'" he joked.
Even Bieber Likes Jesus
Hillsong NYC is located in a nightclub and attracts everyday New Yorkers, NBA players, musicians and young celebrities.
"Our church is about trying to get people to experience the power of God as fast as possible," Lentz said. "…the only thing that changes people's lives is the power of the Holy Spirit, so young people love it."
Pop icon Justin Bieber, who has recently had several runs-in with the law, visited Hillsong NYC in 2013.
He tweeted about the service saying, "love to my guy @carllentznyc for that amazing sermon at church this morning. Love you man. I broke down today."
It is reported that Bieber plans to be baptized at Lentz's church.
"I love Justin and he's a good kid; he's trying to figure this out," Lentz said.
"People are like 'Is he even a Christian?" Lentz said. "I always tell people… grace and acceptance does not mean approval," he explained, "I can accept you as a human being and not approve of your actions. That's how we've been loved."
We Reach Them All
Lentz co-founded Hillsong NYC in 2012 as an extension of the main Hillsong Church in Sydney.
But the pastor, who has nearly 70,000 Twitter followers and 59,000 on Instagram, is quick to point out that his church is open to people from all walks of life.
"There happens to be people who are famous so we should be reaching them," he said. "There's also people who are not famous and we should be reaching them."
"So when it comes to celebrities I always say celebrities are people last time I checked," Lentz said.
Lentz on Moral Issues
The pastor is not so quick, however, to address moral issues like abortion and homosexuality.
During an appearance on the Katie Couric Show, Lentz was asked if he had a moral imperative to speak publicly about controversial issues.
"No," he answered. "Because we try to be like Jesus."
He said he doesn't want to make blanket statements about morality, preferring instead to have conversations surrounding hot button social topics.
"Homosexuality is something right now that people are really, really looking at," Lentz said. "I'd rather talk to these people on my own and walk it out like I would anybody else than make a bold statement in the papers..."
"I hate it when I talk to someone who has a pre-conceived notion of what I'm going to say or do and I don't think it's fair so I just decline to answer it in most forums," he explained.
For that and more, Lentz has his critics, which he says helps him be better as a pastor and as a believer.
"I don't have it all together and there are areas of my life where I'm trying to do better as well, trying to handle criticism better," he said. "I'm going to take it onboard and walk with it humbly and say like I never write criticism off. Most people who criticize us simply do not know us."
And with a growing church and his name among the stars, many question whether Lentz is the next 'big thing' in Christianity?
"I know me so I don't think so," he responded.
"I'm a small thing used by a big God," he said. "And we'll let people say what they want to say because if you start living off the praises of people, you'll die from their criticisms as well, so we live right in the middle."

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Even Bieber Likes Jesus
Hillsong NYC is located in a nightclub and attracts everyday New Yorkers, NBA players, musicians and young celebrities.
"Our church is about trying to get people to experience the power of God as fast as possible," Lentz said. "…the only thing that changes people's lives is the power of the Holy Spirit, so young people love it."
Pop icon Justin Bieber, who has recently had several runs-in with the law, visited Hillsong NYC in 2013.
He tweeted about the service saying, "love to my guy @carllentznyc for that amazing sermon at church this morning. Love you man. I broke down today."
It is reported that Bieber plans to be baptized at Lentz's church.
"I love Justin and he's a good kid; he's trying to figure this out," Lentz said.
"People are like 'Is he even a Christian?" Lentz said. "I always tell people… grace and acceptance does not mean approval," he explained, "I can accept you as a human being and not approve of your actions. That's how we've been loved."
It doesn't really matter if "Bieber LIKES Jesus," who cares anyway.
What REALLY matters is that JESUS loves Bieber, as He would LOVE anyone else.

Affilating your church with JB doesn't make it "trendy" at all btw, Bieber is so done, yesterday's news.

 

Agricola

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Good marketing ploy, name dropping in the hope to attract hundreds if not thousands of more customers who will hopefully cough up plenty of money to pay for the "running costs".
 
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so now church is all about being entertained?
 
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The article clearly said it welcomed all to come from Bieber to whomever walks in the door.

I don't see a problem with it.

Not much on his theology in the article so my infinite total judgement is still out but I did not see anything anti-christian in this article.
 

Drett

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I like a quote from Augustine

The truth is like a lion. You don’t have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.

I also think you should not need to entertain to keep people on the truth.
 

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''During an appearance on the Katie Couric Show, Lentz was asked if he had a moral imperative to speak publicly about controversial issues.
"No," he answered. "Because we try to be like Jesus." ''

oh kay, hmmm, hell, sin, death, ...
 

G4JC

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Typical Seeker-Friendly message, they forgot repentance, forgiveness, hell, sin, and salvation through Jesus Christ alone. Also not touching on moral issues clearly spoken of in the Bible is pansy waisting to tickle the ears and keep the tithes coming in.

The Letter To Laodicea Is A Warning To The True Church Today

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. -I John 2:15-17

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. - II Timothy 4:2-5
 

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I dont see a problem with this article. Ive noticed a pattern big popular church = suspicion/judgement from fellow believers.
 
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I dont see a problem with this article. Ive noticed a pattern big popular church = suspicion/judgement from fellow believers.
More likely jealousy.

Church does not have to be boring.

Like I said, not sure of this guy's doctrines and not sure what he touches upon in his sermons. Because he does not use a national audience to proclaim what is sin, does not mean he does not do it in his church.

If he is an Osteen clone where there is no conviction in his sermons, then that is a problem but just because he does not make claims in public, or has a large church does it always equate to tickling ears.

My church is big. That is because my pastor preaches Jesus Christ, well, the church has real fruits and its in a large urban area. Yep, we have all the bells and whistles too but if its not about Jesus, I wouldn't be there.

....and I have left convicted many times.
 
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I always find the 'they're just jealous' accusation ridiculous. There is Zero basis for it, though people who say it are often convinced that that is the reason. Why would people be jealous? Why is that the most likely answer for everyone who is suspicious of large churches? Its just unfounded accusations and speaking for what another persons heart and mind is about.
 
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Why are you suspicious of a church just because it is large?

Not everyone lives in Podunk USA