Gazans innocent of attacks in Israel?

[Gideon300]

The idea of Gazans being innocent victims of the cruel IDF is false. Yes, some are. But Gazans built the Hamas terror tunnels, fully knowing what they are for. Gazas children have been taught by the UNWRA, funded by you, the taxpayer, to hate Jews. Some as young as 9 have been given weapons training. The most tragic aspect of this is that it is common knowledge in Israel.

https://www2.cbn.com/news/israel/un...culum-they-dont-hate-jews-they-want-kill-jews

 

[HeIsHere]

The idea of Gazans being innocent victims of the cruel IDF is false. Yes, some are. But Gazans built the Hamas terror tunnels, fully knowing what they are for. Gazas children have been taught by the UNWRA, funded by you, the taxpayer, to hate Jews. Some as young as 9 have been given weapons training. The most tragic aspect of this is that it is common knowledge in Israel.

https://www2.cbn.com/news/israel/un...culum-they-dont-hate-jews-they-want-kill-jews

And on the other side we have.....

1) A video posted by conservative Israeli media personality Yinon Magal on X, formerly Twitter, shows dozens of soldiers dancing in a circle, apparently in Gaza, and singing a song that includes the words, “Gaza we have come to conquer. … We know our slogan – there are no people who are uninvolved.”

I guess this allows them to kill babies in incubators.

2) JERUSALEM — Israeli soldiers rummaging through private homes in Gaza. Forces destroying plastic figurines in a toy store, or trying to burn food and water supplies in the back of an abandoned truck. Troops with their arms slung around each other, chanting racist slogans as they dance in a circle.


3) In another photo, a soldier poses next to words spray-painted in red on a pink building that read, “instead of erasing graffiti, let’s erase Gaza.”
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_east/2023-12-13/israel-soldiers-videos-12344632.html


4) Defense Minister Gallant’s comment on 9 October captures Israeli policy: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[7] Israel has been forced to allow minimal supplies into Gaza, but the amounts are so small that a senior UN official reports that “half of Gaza’s population is starving.” He goes on to report that, “Nine out of 10 families in some areas are spending ‘a full day and night without any food at all’.”[8]
Substack: John Mearsheimer


5) ....while most of the focus is now on Gaza, it is important not to lose sight of what is simultaneously going on in the West Bank. Israeli settlers, working closely with the IDF, continue to kill innocent Palestinians and steal their land. In an excellent article in the New York Review of Books describing these horrors, David Shulman relates a conversation he had with a settler, which clearly reflects the moral dimension of Israeli behavior toward the Palestinians. “What we are doing to these people is actually inhuman,” the settler freely admits, “But if you think about it clearly, it all follows inevitably from the fact that God promised this land to the Jews, and only to them.”[27]

So you support genocide based a faulty understanding of bible prophecy. Sad.


Jesus stated clearly..... THIS generation...

 

[Smoke]

And on the other side we have.....

1) A video posted by conservative Israeli media personality Yinon Magal on X, formerly Twitter, shows dozens of soldiers dancing in a circle, apparently in Gaza, and singing a song that includes the words, “Gaza we have come to conquer. … We know our slogan – there are no people who are uninvolved.”

I guess this allows them to kill babies in incubators.

2) JERUSALEM — Israeli soldiers rummaging through private homes in Gaza. Forces destroying plastic figurines in a toy store, or trying to burn food and water supplies in the back of an abandoned truck. Troops with their arms slung around each other, chanting racist slogans as they dance in a circle.


3) In another photo, a soldier poses next to words spray-painted in red on a pink building that read, “instead of erasing graffiti, let’s erase Gaza.”
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_east/2023-12-13/israel-soldiers-videos-12344632.html


4) Defense Minister Gallant’s comment on 9 October captures Israeli policy: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[7] Israel has been forced to allow minimal supplies into Gaza, but the amounts are so small that a senior UN official reports that “half of Gaza’s population is starving.” He goes on to report that, “Nine out of 10 families in some areas are spending ‘a full day and night without any food at all’.”[8]
Substack: John Mearsheimer


5) ....while most of the focus is now on Gaza, it is important not to lose sight of what is simultaneously going on in the West Bank. Israeli settlers, working closely with the IDF, continue to kill innocent Palestinians and steal their land. In an excellent article in the New York Review of Books describing these horrors, David Shulman relates a conversation he had with a settler, which clearly reflects the moral dimension of Israeli behavior toward the Palestinians. “What we are doing to these people is actually inhuman,” the settler freely admits, “But if you think about it clearly, it all follows inevitably from the fact that God promised this land to the Jews, and only to them.”[27]

So you support genocide based a faulty understanding of bible prophecy. Sad.


Jesus stated clearly..... THIS generation...

He's the equivalent of a holocaust denier. All we can do is show him the proof and evidence, but we can't make him look at it and believe it.

 

[HeIsHere]

He's the equivalent of a holocaust denier. All we can do is show him the proof and evidence, but we can't make him look at it and believe it.

Hard for me to relate to that kind of rigid thinking, but yes very true.

 

[wolfwint]

And on the other side we have.....

1) A video posted by conservative Israeli media personality Yinon Magal on X, formerly Twitter, shows dozens of soldiers dancing in a circle, apparently in Gaza, and singing a song that includes the words, “Gaza we have come to conquer. … We know our slogan – there are no people who are uninvolved.”

I guess this allows them to kill babies in incubators.

2) JERUSALEM — Israeli soldiers rummaging through private homes in Gaza. Forces destroying plastic figurines in a toy store, or trying to burn food and water supplies in the back of an abandoned truck. Troops with their arms slung around each other, chanting racist slogans as they dance in a circle.


3) In another photo, a soldier poses next to words spray-painted in red on a pink building that read, “instead of erasing graffiti, let’s erase Gaza.”
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_east/2023-12-13/israel-soldiers-videos-12344632.html


4) Defense Minister Gallant’s comment on 9 October captures Israeli policy: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[7] Israel has been forced to allow minimal supplies into Gaza, but the amounts are so small that a senior UN official reports that “half of Gaza’s population is starving.” He goes on to report that, “Nine out of 10 families in some areas are spending ‘a full day and night without any food at all’.”[8]
Substack: John Mearsheimer


5) ....while most of the focus is now on Gaza, it is important not to lose sight of what is simultaneously going on in the West Bank. Israeli settlers, working closely with the IDF, continue to kill innocent Palestinians and steal their land. In an excellent article in the New York Review of Books describing these horrors, David Shulman relates a conversation he had with a settler, which clearly reflects the moral dimension of Israeli behavior toward the Palestinians. “What we are doing to these people is actually inhuman,” the settler freely admits, “But if you think about it clearly, it all follows inevitably from the fact that God promised this land to the Jews, and only to them.”[27]

So you support genocide based a faulty understanding of bible prophecy. Sad.


Jesus stated clearly..... THIS generation...

The type of people you show in your examples we find sadly in every country and nation.
But that was Hamas did on oct.7th. I cant renember an equal crime ( except in africa between tribes)
If this happend to our country. How would we react? Oh, no problem our own fault. Go on to kill and rape our people?
It is of course sad that " innocent people" must die. Hamas is the from the palastine people choosen Power in Gaza. I renember when I was 1986 in Israel in the old town of Acco, that children running behind me and told me: Hitler was good! Hitler was good!
Later I recognized why they told so!
If we read the OT it is sometimes hard to read that God told the Israelites to kill all of the pagan nations, including woman and children. When we then read further, we read that in this cases they did not. That this people deceives Israel to worship other gods.
And how many percent of the islamic world found ok what Hamas did on 7th of october?
I read about 70%.
Alone in germany the number of criminal acts against jews are more then 1000 since 7th of october.
This is not to justify!

 

[HeIsHere]

If we read the OT it is sometimes hard to read that God told the Israelites to kill all of the pagan nations, including woman and children.

God is not giving these instructions today.

 

[wolfwint]

God is not giving these instructions today.

Correct! For us as follower of Christ.
But Israel today is not following Christ.
They fight for to survive inmidst Nations which want eliminate them.

I say again, Hamas and those behind are responsible for what we see today.

But finaly it will end in that what God said about Israel. All Nations will turn and march against Israel. And then a part of Israel will turn to Christ. And the King of Kings will come to defend His nation and will sieges over the Nations.

Dont know when. But it will come in this way.

 

[Gideon300]

And on the other side we have.....

1) A video posted by conservative Israeli media personality Yinon Magal on X, formerly Twitter, shows dozens of soldiers dancing in a circle, apparently in Gaza, and singing a song that includes the words, “Gaza we have come to conquer. … We know our slogan – there are no people who are uninvolved.”

I guess this allows them to kill babies in incubators.

2) JERUSALEM — Israeli soldiers rummaging through private homes in Gaza. Forces destroying plastic figurines in a toy store, or trying to burn food and water supplies in the back of an abandoned truck. Troops with their arms slung around each other, chanting racist slogans as they dance in a circle.


3) In another photo, a soldier poses next to words spray-painted in red on a pink building that read, “instead of erasing graffiti, let’s erase Gaza.”
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_east/2023-12-13/israel-soldiers-videos-12344632.html


4) Defense Minister Gallant’s comment on 9 October captures Israeli policy: "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[7] Israel has been forced to allow minimal supplies into Gaza, but the amounts are so small that a senior UN official reports that “half of Gaza’s population is starving.” He goes on to report that, “Nine out of 10 families in some areas are spending ‘a full day and night without any food at all’.”[8]
Substack: John Mearsheimer


5) ....while most of the focus is now on Gaza, it is important not to lose sight of what is simultaneously going on in the West Bank. Israeli settlers, working closely with the IDF, continue to kill innocent Palestinians and steal their land. In an excellent article in the New York Review of Books describing these horrors, David Shulman relates a conversation he had with a settler, which clearly reflects the moral dimension of Israeli behavior toward the Palestinians. “What we are doing to these people is actually inhuman,” the settler freely admits, “But if you think about it clearly, it all follows inevitably from the fact that God promised this land to the Jews, and only to them.”[27]

So you support genocide based a faulty understanding of bible prophecy. Sad.


Jesus stated clearly..... THIS generation...

I remember the outrage when the twin towers were destroyed. And that was by individuals, one attack that has not been repeated. Israel has been under continual attacks since its inception in 1948. Palestinian children are taught at UN funded schools to hate Israel. Tell me what nation would put up with such hatred and violence from a non-existent "country" next to it? Russia was never attacked by Ukraine, has killed and is killing civilians right now. Where is the outrage? No one gives a hoot what happens in Ukraine, Syria, North Africa or Armenia. Mention Israel and all hell breaks loose.

One conversation with one settler represents the whole of Israel? Not biased much, are we.

Half of Gaza is starving. How about Hamas releasing the supplies it looted from UN relief agencies and hides in the tunnels? This Gaza mess is the responsibility of Western nations who provided taxpayers money for Hamas to build its army. If you want to kill a tree, go for the roots. Israel's mistake was not taking Hamas seriously. They should have wiped out Hamas before they were strong enough to mount such an attack on Israel.

Some of the hostages have been held by Gazan families. They may dress like civilians but they are no better than Nazi concentration camp guards.

The reality is that "Palestinians" (there is no such thing) have refused every offer of a separate state. They accept only a one state solution, one that extinguishes Israel as a nation. Palestinians are reaping what they've sown.

I've said this many times and I have yet to get a sensible response. What would YOU do to resolve this problem?

 

[HeIsHere]

Correct! For us as follower of Christ.
But Israel today is not following Christ.
They fight for to survive inmidst Nations which want eliminate them.

I say again, Hamas and those behind are responsible for what we see today.

But finaly it will end in that what God said about Israel. All Nations will turn and march against Israel. And then a part of Israel will turn to Christ. And the King of Kings will come to defend His nation and will sieges over the Nations.

Dont know when. But it will come in this way.

They are fighting to keep what they took away from the inhabitants of the land. Start with the right beginning to understand this conflict

 

[HeIsHere]

The reality is that "Palestinians" (there is no such thing) have refused every offer of a separate state. They accept only a one state solution, one that extinguishes Israel as a nation. Palestinians are reaping what they've sown.

The nations that have stood in the way of the peaceful resolution of this conflict is mostly on the shoulders of USA, Israel and the UK.

 

[HeIsHere]

I've said this many times and I have yet to get a sensible response. What would YOU do to resolve this problem?

The solution is negotiations with binding agreements with the entire middle east with serious ramifications for breaking the agreement.

I can tell you one thing the USA cannot negotiate peace as they have a vested interest and are not impartial.

All this hatred created by years of violence can only be resolved by an impartial third party with a large peace keeping force on the ground.

But Christians/Zionists want all this to usher in the millennium so they will probably stand in the way of peace, so we are looking at the entire displacement/eradication of an indigenous population and possible wider war.

 

[wolfwint]

They are fighting to keep what they took away from the inhabitants of the land. Start with the right beginning to understand this conflict

Then you should go back in the history. Whom belongs this land? Or do you ignore what God promised?

And, this is no excuse for the 7th of october. This was no war act. This was a brutal crime!

Would you discuss with God, because he gave the land who belongs the cannanites, philistians and all the other Volks to Israel?

 

[HeIsHere]

Then you should go back in the history. Whom belongs this land? Or do you ignore what God promised?

And, this is no excuse for the 7th of october. This was no war act. This was a brutal crime!

Would you discuss with God, because he gave the land who belongs the cannanites, philistians and all the other Volks to Israel?

Maybe you should go back and read about when HE dealt with the inhabitants of the land in 70 AD via the Romans.

God fulfilled is land promises and all promises via Christ Jesus, see Joshua 21:43

You have been taught dispensationalism, I encourage you to objectively dig deeper, this is not the end of the age.

 

[wolfwint]

Maybe you should go back and read about when HE dealt with the inhabitants of the land in 70 AD via the Romans.

God fulfilled is land promises and all promises via Christ Jesus, see Joshua 21:43

You have been taught dispensationalism, I encourage you to objectively dig deeper, this is not the end of the age.

Thats your view. I doubt that human imagine are the measure.

 

[HeIsHere]

Thats your view. I doubt that human imagine are the measure.

My understanding is in line with the words of Jesus, I do not have to go back to the OT and stretch it front of the New Testament.

Jesus was clear......

“This generation will NOT pass away until all these things take place.” (Mk. 13:30) (In regards to the Parousia of Jesus, the destruction of the Temple and the end of the age)

1. “Who warned YOU to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Lk. 3:7)

2. “The axe is already laid at the root of the trees.” (Lk. 3:9)

3. “His winnowing fork is in His hand…” (Lk. 3:17)

4. “These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” (Lk. 21:22)

5. “Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for YOUR children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.’ Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” (Lk. 23:28-30; Compare Rev. 6:14-17)

6. “We were hoping that He was the One who is about to redeem Israel.” (Lk. 24:21)

7. “This is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days…’” (Acts 2:16-17)

8. “Now these things …were written for OUR instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.” (I Cor. 10:11)

 

[wolfwint]

Well, then you should read Joel 2, 24-27, this time has Israel never seen in history.
So when this should be?
I believe it will be the Millennium.

So the land belongs Israel from the time of entering through Josua till at least the end of the Millennium.
I know many dont believe that. But thats what bible says.

 

[Gideon300]

The solution is negotiations with binding agreements with the entire middle east with serious ramifications for breaking the agreement.

I can tell you one thing the USA cannot negotiate peace as they have a vested interest and are not impartial.

All this hatred created by years of violence can only be resolved by an impartial third party with a large peace keeping force on the ground.

But Christians/Zionists want all this to usher in the millennium so they will probably stand in the way of peace, so we are looking at the entire displacement/eradication of an indigenous population and possible wider war.

You live in Disney world. The only agreement that the Arabs will accept is one that eliminates Israel. How can you be so naive? Most of the countries you depend on do not recognise the state of Israel.

"Serious ramifications". Such as? The Arabs have already rejected the idea of being peacekeepers. Non Muslims will be about as welcome as bacon on the Gazan hamburger. UN peacekeepers in Lebanon have been as effective as a wet lettuce. They do nothing while being funded by taxpayers.

You have it totally back to front. It is the Arabs that stand in the way of peace, as they have since 1948. Your fatuous remark about Christians not wanting peace is absurd. Christians are working in Gaza to provide relief. At least one hospital is funded and run by the Baptist church. Muslims live at peace in Israel. Do you know how many Jews live in Arab nations? None. They've been driven out of homes they've lived in for centuries. Islam the religion of peace? Sure, there is peace in a cemetery. And that's where the Arabs would have all Jews, if they could.

Negotiate peace? The Norwegians came up with a workable plan. The PLA rejected it. The PLA has rejected every attempt to come to a peaceful solution. There is always some excuse, but the reality is that Palestinians have never accepted Israel's right to exist and never will.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Negotiate peace? The Norwegians came up with a workable plan. The PLA rejected it. The PLA has rejected every attempt to come to a peaceful solution. There is always some excuse, but the reality is that Palestinians have never accepted Israel's right to exist and never will.

This is the fundamental issue, which all Western politicians ignore. However, if Iran was totally shut down by Israel, the terrorists at least would be shut down. And if Joe Biden were arrested and locked up tomorrow for treason, then Iran would lose its most important ally. As you say the PLA has rejected every proposal for peace. And ordinary Palestinians are pawns in this game, but at the same time they too hate Israel and the Jews.

 

[Gideon300]

This is the fundamental issue, which all Western politicians ignore. However, if Iran was totally shut down by Israel, the terrorists at least would be shut down. And if Joe Biden were arrested and locked up tomorrow for treason, then Iran would lose its most important ally. As you say the PLA has rejected every proposal for peace. And ordinary Palestinians are pawns in this game, but at the same time they too hate Israel and the Jews.

Not unwitting pawns, that's for sure. Gazans were employed to dig the tunnels that were lined with concrete intended for infrastructure to help Gazans. Some Gaza families have held hostages on behalf of Hamas. Children are indoctrinated to hate Israel by UN funded schools staffed by UN teachers. The same schools have tunnel entrances to allow Hamas to move freely through the tunnel network.

The UN is as guilty as Iran. All paid for by the unwitting taxpayers of the Western world.
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[HeIsHere]

You live in Disney world. The only agreement that the Arabs will accept is one that eliminates Israel. How can you be so naive? Most of the countries you depend on do not recognise the state of Israel.

"Serious ramifications". Such as? The Arabs have already rejected the idea of being peacekeepers. Non Muslims will be about as welcome as bacon on the Gazan hamburger. UN peacekeepers in Lebanon have been as effective as a wet lettuce. They do nothing while being funded by taxpayers.

You have it totally back to front. It is the Arabs that stand in the way of peace, as they have since 1948. Your fatuous remark about Christians not wanting peace is absurd. Christians are working in Gaza to provide relief. At least one hospital is funded and run by the Baptist church. Muslims live at peace in Israel. Do you know how many Jews live in Arab nations? None. They've been driven out of homes they've lived in for centuries. Islam the religion of peace? Sure, there is peace in a cemetery. And that's where the Arabs would have all Jews, if they could.

Negotiate peace? The Norwegians came up with a workable plan. The PLA rejected it. The PLA has rejected every attempt to come to a peaceful solution. There is always some excuse, but the reality is that Palestinians have never accepted Israel's right to exist and never will.

You cannot deny that the zionists pillaged, murdered, raped, ransacked and forced people from their homes in 1948, this is on the historical record........ oh right this has been happening all throughout history, its fine, its not immoral every invading power does it, and plus this is the fulfillment of prophecy, the most tragic nonsense come from zionist Christians I have ever read.

I fear you have not read a single document pertaining to the past peace proposals with an unbiased eye, nor have you read any of the reports which have documented the atrocities committed by the IDF and the government of Israel against the indigenous population.

Sad, as well, you just reiterate Fox News with their oversimplified and reductive statements and sometimes blatant lies like "Muslims live at peace in Israel" do you know anything about the Jewish settlers in the West Bank which is illegal according to international law. Then you have to twist my words and add things I never stated.

I do not have the time to expose all your falsehoods.
If zionist Christians (Thank you Jesus not all Christians are zionists) wanted peace why do they support the very strong zionist (zionist>>> those who refuse to share the land) lobby which controls both houses and black mails members for funding of the war, which ensures ongoing death and turmoil.
The USA so far has stood in the way of peace and we can thank the John Hagee and his ilk for the brainwashing.