Hillary to make it official Sunday

[GodIsSalvation]

For the uninformed, stupid is as stupid does. The Germans loved Hitler in the early years. Same with the Russians and Stalin. Etc...

Nay, these people ain't stupid and Hillary is no Hitler.

Nor is anyone misinformed. For the people around my age (my friend was a bit older than me at 30) they wanna go back to the 1990s when everything was chill and not whack like everything got after 9/11. I do realize we can't go back though, that's the only flaw in their logic; they think we can. Can't blame 'em for wanting it though. Peace and prosperity makes a lot of sense compared to war and poverty.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Unfortunately, most of our populace is grossly uninformed. People will vote for Hillary despite all the scandals, her incompetence and her husband. They'll say, "It's time for a woman." Doesn't matter if that woman would ruin the country. Same mantra we had with Obama: "Time to elect an African-American." Didn't matter that he had absolutely no experience and that he was schooled outside the country by radical leftists.

I'm cautiously optimistic that at least SOME dems are seeing the light, but she'll win the nomination by a landslide. Then it will all depend on who the GOP puts up there. High drama in this next election!

I disagree here too. Americans at the least, along with many many peoples all around the world are actually highly informed, if not outright saturated with information. People will vote for Hillary for various reasons, some more personal than others. Even for no one reason, but a compendium of reasons. Popular reasons I have seen or heard is mostly, her recognition/fame, her experience, and frankly again Bill.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

First of all, I never called Hillary Hitler nor made that correlation. My point was that uninformed voters cast votes that historically have often resulted in undesirable consequences and that we presently do have a large body of uninformed and misinformed voters voting.

And you're assertion that this isn't true is false. It is true. Every major scholarly study shows that American voters fail to meet the democratic ideal of an informed electorate and the consequences of this political ignorance are presently a topic of significant scholarly debate amongst political scientists. A good place to review these studies would be the political science journal 'Electoral Studies.' For example, look at the study titled 'The Political Consequences Of Uninformed Voters' in the June 2014 edition.

Additionally, even non-scholarly polls and interviews on the streets and various college campuses clearly indicates that a large majority of the American people are very uninformed about major issues. That's the truth.

[video=youtube;mm1KOBMg1Y8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8[/video]

Nay, these people ain't stupid and Hillary is no Hitler.

Nor is anyone misinformed. For the people around my age (my friend was a bit older than me at 30) they wanna go back to the 1990s when everything was chill and not whack like everything got after 9/11. I do realize we can't go back though, that's the only flaw in their logic; they think we can. Can't blame 'em for wanting it though. Peace and prosperity makes a lot of sense compared to war and poverty.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

First of all, I never called Hillary Hitler nor made that correlation. My point was that uninformed voters cast votes that historically have often resulted in undesirable consequences and that we presently do have a large body of uninformed and misinformed voters voting.

And you're assertion that this isn't true is false. It is true. Every major scholarly study shows that American voters fail to meet the democratic ideal of an informed electorate and the consequences of this political ignorance are presently a topic of significant scholarly debate amongst political scientists. A good place to review these studies would be the political science journal 'Electoral Studies.' For example, look at the study titled 'The Political Consequences Of Uninformed Voters' in the June 2014 edition.

Additionally, even non-scholarly polls and interviews on the streets and various college campuses clearly indicates that a large majority of the American people are very uninformed about major issues. That's the truth.

[video=youtube;mm1KOBMg1Y8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8[/video]

If they fail to meet the "democratic ideal of an informed electorate" that is only because democracy is a fiction and does not exist, and should never exist.

99% of polls and statistics are made up and untrustworthy. I will go by what I have seen and heard. What I have seen and heard is people that vote are saturated with media and information (we do after all live in the so-called information age). They know what they want even if their reasonings are a bit peculiar.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The American people aren't failing the standard of an informed electorate because our system has a Constitution with a Bill of Rights that provides an epistemological foundation which helps to mitigate problems associated with pure democracy (e.g. tyranny of the majority, etc...) and uses democratically elected representatives for expediency (it is extremely time consuming and inefficient to put every single issue no matter how miniscule to more than a hundred million people before a decision can be reached) but rather because the people themselves are not putting in the time and effort to meet the standard of being an informed electorate.

And your statement that 99% of polls and statistics are made up and untrustworthy is untrue in the context of polling and statistics conducted which conform to the careful empirical standards established in research and statistics which, of course, is what you'll find in the scholarly journals such as the one I shared with you.

If you want to just go on engaging in fallacious argumentation and making false assertions, I suppose you can but you're revealing the extent of your ignorance in the process.

Don't just "go by what I have seen and heard." Learn to qualify what people are telling you and what you're observing. A graduate research and statistics course is instrumental in learning to do that and why, instead of engaging in logical fallaciousness and making false assertions, you should take such a course.

If they fail to meet the "democratic ideal of an informed electorate" that is only because democracy is a fiction and does not exist, and should never exist.

99% of polls and statistics are made up and untrustworthy. I will go by what I have seen and heard. What I have seen and heard is people that vote are saturated with media and information (we do after all live in the so-called information age). They know what they want even if their reasonings are a bit peculiar.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

The American people aren't failing the standard of an informed electorate because our system has a Constitution with a Bill of Rights that provides an epistemological foundation which helps to mitigate problems associated with pure democracy (e.g. tyranny of the majority, etc...) and uses democratically elected representatives for expediency (it is extremely time consuming and inefficient to put every single issue no matter how miniscule to more than a hundred million people before a decision can be reached) but rather because the people themselves are not putting in the time and effort to meet the standard of being an informed electorate.

And your statement that 99% of polls and statistics are made up and untrustworthy is untrue in the context of polling and statistics conducted which conform to the careful empirical standards established in research and statistics which, of course, is what you'll find in the scholarly journals such as the one I shared with you.

If you want to just go on engaging in fallacious argumentation and making false assertions, I suppose you can but you're revealing the extent of your ignorance in the process.

Don't just "go by what I have seen and heard." Learn to qualify what people are telling you and what you're observing. A graduate research and statistics course is instrumental in learning to do that and why, instead of engaging in logical fallaciousness and making false assertions, you should take such a course.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are only applicable to the government, not the people. Even that much is becoming quickly obsolete. Republics are not good either. The private American citizen holds highest status and power in the land of America and is therefore king. Since the citizen is king, any reason to vote or not to vote is a valid reason.

As for statistics and polls. If you have not polled every single person in America I cannot accept your poll as valid. Since it be that no mortal knows with absolute certainty even how many people there are in America therefore then no statistic or poll about an overall American issue can ever be accurate. All that is perfectly true and logical without needing to point out the fact that almost every academic institution in America lacks credibility by reason of their curriculum and funding.

 

[Billyd]

Deep pockets ($3 trillion), and a googly eyed Hillary (and the Democratic party) forgiving press, along with a list of Republican candidates (and leaders) known for stepping on their tongues make her a shoo in.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're making more blatantly false assertions rooted in your colossal ignorance. Two explicit purposes of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is to safeguard the liberties and justice of and for "the people." You need to take a U.S. government class (in addition to a research and statistics course).

For example, amendments 1,2, and 3 prohibit obstructing the exercise of certain individual freedoms: freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and right to petition. Its Free Exercise Clause guarantees a person's right to hold whatever religious beliefs he or she wants, and to freely exercise that belief, and its Establishment Clause prevents the federal government from creating an official national church or favoring one set of [originally Christian] religious beliefs over another.

The Fourth Amendment (1791) protects people against unreasonable searches and seizures of either self or property by government officials.

The Fifth Amendment (1791) establishes a requirement that a trials for a major crime may commence only after an indictment has been handed down by a grand jury; protects individuals from double jeopardy, being tried and put in danger of being punished more than once for the same criminal act; prohibits punishment without due process of law, thus protecting individuals from being imprisoned without fair procedures; and provides that an accused person may not be compelled to reveal to the police, prosecutor, judge, or jury any information that might incriminate or be used against him or her in a court of law. Additionally, the Fifth Amendment also prohibits government from taking private property for public use without "just compensation", the basis of eminent domain in the United States.

I can keep going but it's obvious that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are applicable to both the U.S. government and the U.S. people. You see, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights don't just limit what government legally can or cannot do to "the people" but also what people can and cannot legally do to each other.

And the scholarly study I shared with you in that peer-reviewed political science journal definitely executes a correct statistical analysis.

As for the rest of your post, it's just strung together nonsensical screed revealing how ignorant and uneducated you truly are. But it's the stubbornness to educate yourself that I hold against you. An ignorant person with a will to learn can mitigate their ignorance through the process of education. You're clearly asserting that you have absolutely no intention of ever doing so. In my book, that makes you a stubborn fool. And I'm not going to spend my entire Sunday afternoon refuting a stubborn fool. So, au revoir.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are only applicable to the government, not the people. Even that much is becoming quickly obsolete. Republics are not good either. The private American citizen holds highest status and power in the land of America and is therefore king. Since the citizen is king, any reason to vote or not to vote is a valid reason.

As for statistics and polls. If you have not polled every single person in America I cannot accept your poll as valid. Since it be that no mortal knows with absolute certainty even how many people there are in America therefore then no statistic or poll about an overall American issue can ever be accurate. All that is perfectly true and logical without needing to point out the fact that almost every academic institution in America lacks credibility by reason of their curriculum and funding.

 

[cmarieh]

I would say if this will happen we best be praying for our country's future and present state and that a Godly president comes in to sit in the oval office who will not waver his beliefs like our current one has.

 

[maxwel]

I would say if this will happen we best be praying for our country's future and present state and that a Godly president comes in to sit in the oval office who will not waver his beliefs like our current one has.

That's a joke right?

 

[cmarieh]

That's a joke right?

I don't think I meant it as a joke. We definitely need one who will lead by a Godly example. Although, I get where you are coming from.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

You're making more blatantly false assertions rooted in your colossal ignorance. Two explicit purposes of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is to safeguard the liberties and justice of and for "the people." You need to take a U.S. government class (in addition to a research and statistics course).

For example, amendments 1,2, and 3 prohibit obstructing the exercise of certain individual freedoms: freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and right to petition. Its Free Exercise Clause guarantees a person's right to hold whatever religious beliefs he or she wants, and to freely exercise that belief, and its Establishment Clause prevents the federal government from creating an official national church or favoring one set of [originally Christian] religious beliefs over another.

The Fourth Amendment (1791) protects people against unreasonable searches and seizures of either self or property by government officials.

The Fifth Amendment (1791) establishes a requirement that a trials for a major crime may commence only after an indictment has been handed down by a grand jury; protects individuals from double jeopardy, being tried and put in danger of being punished more than once for the same criminal act; prohibits punishment without due process of law, thus protecting individuals from being imprisoned without fair procedures; and provides that an accused person may not be compelled to reveal to the police, prosecutor, judge, or jury any information that might incriminate or be used against him or her in a court of law. Additionally, the Fifth Amendment also prohibits government from taking private property for public use without "just compensation", the basis of eminent domain in the United States.

I can keep going but it's obvious that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are applicable to both the U.S. government and the U.S. people. You see, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights don't just limit what government legally can or cannot do to "the people" but also what people can and cannot legally do to each other.

And the scholarly study I shared with you in that peer-reviewed political science journal definitely executes a correct statistical analysis.

As for the rest of your post, it's just strung together nonsensical screed revealing how ignorant and uneducated you truly are. But it's the stubbornness to educate yourself that I hold against you. An ignorant person with a will to learn can mitigate their ignorance through the process of education. You're clearly asserting that you have absolutely no intention of ever doing so. In my book, that makes you a stubborn fool. And I'm not going to spend my entire Sunday afternoon refuting a stubborn fool. So, au revoir.

The Constitution places no law on the people. It only places law on the government. The Constitution furthermore grants no man any rights, but only grants rights to the government. All rights are recognized as endowed by God and are thus inalienable.

Even in all your examples here you only prove that these are the laws which the government must follow. For instance with the 4th amendment the government may not search your cellphone arbitrarily (though again we can see how even this is becoming obsolete). However it is not illegal for instance for a nosy girlfriend to read through her boyfriend's texts.

Again on statistics they are made up. Peer review doesn't make anything credible. If you don't know how many people there even are in America with absolute certainty, then trully all polls for a nationwide issue are not complete and not accurate.

Me thinks you'd be better off not calling people fools.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

The forces of darkness will try to bring her down with all their lies and accusations, but the girl is too strong for that. World War 3 grows late and the Warrior Queen of the West prepares her armour.

uh ... ???

 

[crossnote]

Nay, these people ain't stupid and Hillary is no Hitler.

Nor is anyone misinformed. For the people around my age (my friend was a bit older than me at 30) they wanna go back to the 1990s when everything was chill and not whack like everything got after 9/11. I do realize we can't go back though, that's the only flaw in their logic; they think we can. Can't blame 'em for wanting it though. Peace and prosperity makes a lot of sense compared to war and poverty.

Well, maybe grandma Hillary can do that...lullaby us back into the '90's...so much for the '90's mantra of 'change'.

 

[kodiak]

That's a joke right?

I don't think it is impossible for their to be a Godly president....but they have to follow the Constitution, which makes it harder for them....
I have had a few teachers say that in the future I should run for President...If the Lord calls me to, I will, but I really hope that doesn't happen...it is a high stress job....

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well, maybe grandma Hillary can do that...lullaby us back into the '90's...so much for the '90's mantra of 'change'.

This is indeed what many think. This fantasy of going back to the 90s is a big factor in the Clintons' popularity with apolitical/non-partisan voters, especially younger voters my age whom grew up in the 1990s. No one can turn back the clock though, this I do realize. Merely trying to express why people think largely what they do and why Hillary is so popular.

It makes sense to me why they want to go back to the 1990s even though they can't. Gotta realize for people my age the 90s is the only time of peace we ever knew. For most of the time people my age have even been alive America, and now the whole world, has been embroiled in a war that has no end in sight. Then factor in the Great Recession and compare that to the economic boom of the 1990s. So it is easy to see why people want to time travel even though it is not possible.

 

[Galahad]

Who cares...she is a snake in the grass and I wouldn't vote for her if they gave me 10 million......and for those who know me they know I can't be bought.......!

I would gladly take $10 million to vote for Hillary. For one, I live in California. She wins no matter what. Second, you may not be able to be bought, but Bill and Hillary sure can be. They turn the White House into a political retail store. A Nordstrom's. With $10 mil. I could go on a shopping spree.

 

[Galahad]

I don't think I meant it as a joke. We definitely need one who will lead by a Godly example. Although, I get where you are coming from.

I didn't take it as a joke. I like your post. You're right, we should be praying for our country and for a godly leader to gain the White House. Prayer is not, as you know, a last, final, weak option. It is effective. The Almighty hears our prayers, and answers them according to His will.

 

[Galahad]

I disagree here too. Americans at the least, along with many many peoples all around the world are actually highly informed, if not outright saturated with information. People will vote for Hillary for various reasons, some more personal than others. Even for no one reason, but a compendium of reasons. Popular reasons I have seen or heard is mostly, her recognition/fame, her experience, and frankly again Bill.

Highly informed is one thing, understanding is another. Highly informed by whom? Campaign slogans, jargons, accusations, media hype, twist on the truth.

Here's an example.
A local election.
A Yes vote on Proposition A will raise millions of dollars for local school repair through a bond issue.
The average voter receives a flier in the mail. "Vote YES on A." It states that the money raised from the bond issue will not be used to pay for salary increases, administrative costs. All of the funds will go to repairs and upgrades.

Unfortunately, that one flier has said enough to win voters to a YES vote on a bond issue for schools.

That's just one example. People might be informed (Yes, everything on the flier is true), but they don't understand, they don't think. Having information is one thing, but knowing and learning and researching what it actually means is another.

Here's an indication of ignorance at the voting booth. Reading the voter's guide while voting. What? Yes, I've seen it. They stand there and read the voter's guide while in the booth. The voter's guide is a start, but there's more to being an informed and smart voter than simply relying on the guide.

 

[cmarieh]

I didn't take it as a joke. I like your post. You're right, we should be praying for our country and for a godly leader to gain the White House. Prayer is not, as you know, a last, final, weak option. It is effective. The Almighty hears our prayers, and answers them according to His will.

When I was in High School a small group of students including myself would pray at the flagpole for the safety of every student in the country, our president, and the peace of Israel. Where two or more are gathered God is there.