Hobby Lobby Wins!! Thank you Jesus!!

[kennethcadwell]

Tell me this question; Why is some of worlds top rated health care systems totally government funded systems ?

Why do we not have it here ? I will tell you why. When the concept was brought up of a totally funded health care system when Obama first took office it was turned down because two lies were spread about it.

Lie 1 ) The government would have control over you

Lie 2 ) You would not be able to choose your own doctor

Then what really sunk the concept was private practice doctors banded together and used their money to campaign against it do to under the system they would not be allowed to charge their patients more money for the same procedure public facilities charge. Poor pitiful doctors care more about the money in their pockets then the actual health of their patients.

Here's an incredibly radical thought. Everybody pay for their OWN health care! OMG I actually said it! Is there gonna be a knock on my door any sec?

 

[crossnote]

yep but will people cheering this be as happy when a muslim owned business no longer has to pay for antibiotics simply because the gel-capsules are still made for gelatin which comes from pork in some cases? Nope, then the same people cheering this will start crying how america is falling to sharia law even though the two cases are identical. Its all a bunch of hypocrisy.

not eating pork vs. human life....identical? hooookayyyy.

 

[PennEd]

Tell me this question; Why is some of worlds top rated health care systems totally government funded systems ?

Why do we not have it here ? I will tell you why. When the concept was brought up of a totally funded health care system when Obama first took office it was turned down because two lies were spread about it.

Lie 1 ) The government would have control over you

Lie 2 ) You would not be able to choose your own doctor

Then what really sunk the concept was private practice doctors banded together and used their money to campaign against it do to under the system they would not be allowed to charge their patients more money for the same procedure public facilities charge. Poor pitiful doctors care more about the money in their pockets then the actual health of their patients.

Ken, I can't really have a conversation with you. I know it sounds silly, but I honestly don't have the intent to insult you by saying your ignorance runs too deep to try and educate you, except to say, broaden your sources for news. Don't believe the garbage the mainstream media sells you or the U.N. Find out where the world's rich, the despots, the socialists go when THEIR life is on the line. I can definitively tell you it aint CUBA!!!

 

[skipp]

Ken, I can't really have a conversation with you. I know it sounds silly, but I honestly don't have the intent to insult you by saying your ignorance runs too deep to try and educate you, except to say, broaden your sources for news. Don't believe the garbage the mainstream media sells you or the U.N. Find out where the world's rich, the despots, the socialists go when THEIR life is on the line. I can definitively tell you it aint CUBA!!!

Well, going by what my own eyes see I pretty much think the American healthcare system is an overly expensive, overly complicated mess. There wouldn't be so much call for reform from both sides of the aisle if that wasn't the case. So when I read that the United States is ranked 46th among 48 developed nations in healthcare efficiency, below even China and Iran, I'm not really surprised. From what I've seen both democrats and republicans agree that our healthcare system is a mess and in drastic need of reform, they just disagree on how to go about this.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Yes they refused to pay for possibly abortive contraceptives as far as obamacare is concerned because it violates their religious beliefs. So what is to stop a Jehovah Witness boss to refuse to pay for blood transfusions on his employees healthcare plans? Or a scientologist boss from refusing to pay for psychiatric medicine? In both examples it would be forcing someone to pay for medical costs that go against their religious beliefs. All this case did was open the door for businesses to cut corners on healthcare spending.

Not too mention its more than just abortive drugs. Im pretty sure they are refusing to supply birth control like IUD's as well. Which is just a simple contraceptive.

In the end religion shouldn't even be a factor in determining health benefits.

The ruling ONLY covers contraception, and only contraception that destroys a fertilized egg.

This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance-coverage mandates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs. Nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discriminationas a religious practice. - Justice Alito

So you can still have all the prozac and blood tranfusions you need without worry.

Also, not one single woman is prohibited from purchasing Plan B or any other contraceptive. They aren't being taken off the market. They aren't being refused to women. They just have to pay for it out of their own pocket instead of expecting their boss to pay for it.

 

[SonInMe]

Whatever happened to being an adult and...

paying for your own condoms.

We have become a nation of lazy ( insert all manner of expletives ) immature fools wanting everyone else to pay for our lives.

Grow the ( long list of expletives ) up and be a man.

 

[Nautilus]

Whatever happened to being an adult and...

paying for your own condoms.

We have become a nation of lazy ( insert all manner of expletives ) immature fools wanting everyone else to pay for our lives.

Grow the ( long list of expletives ) up and be a man.

The case had absolutley zero to do with condoms or any other form of male contraceptive...

 

[kayem77]

I don't see why companies have to pay for any contraceptive methods in the first place. They really shouldn't be forced to do it, so people should really be grateful that these things are for free. And Hobby Lobby doesn't even denies contraceptives to women, just the 4 methods that induce abortion ( so they shouldn't even be called ''contraceptives''. All this propaganda about women being denied their rights is stupid. If they want to have sex out of wedlock and then have an abortion, don't expect your boss to pay for it. Since when are other people responsible for a stranger's sexual decisions and their consequences?

 

[SonInMe]

Consequences for actions...I mean...

how cruel....

and our society crumbles.

I am tellin' ya right now, liberalism is satanic and those who believe in it, belong to a cult.

If ignorance is bliss, why do liberals smoke so much weed?

 

[Nautilus]

as a liberal...i never smoke weed. I have better things to do with my time than sit around stoned laughing at anything that happens. Nor am I a satanist. So there are two of your points blown out of the water.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I actually know several conservatives that smoke weed.

 

[SonInMe]

But...does a conservative have to smoke weed to believe in conservatism...eh....eh?

 

[skipp]

A lot of libertarians that I know have no problem with drugs.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I actually know several conservatives that smoke weed.

And just in case anyone thinks I was telling on myself here I was not. I do not smoke weed. I will admit years ago I tried it once, and once will be all that I do it. Quite frankly, how does one get past the smell of that stuff?

 

[PennEd]

Tell me this question; Why is some of worlds top rated health care systems totally government funded systems ?

Why do we not have it here ? I will tell you why. When the concept was brought up of a totally funded health care system when Obama first took office it was turned down because two lies were spread about it.

Lie 1 ) The government would have control over you

Lie 2 ) You would not be able to choose your own doctor

Then what really sunk the concept was private practice doctors banded together and used their money to campaign against it do to under the system they would not be allowed to charge their patients more money for the same procedure public facilities charge. Poor pitiful doctors care more about the money in their pockets then the actual health of their patients.

Here is one of those "top rated" healthcare systems you were talking about:

UK Systematically Denies Surgery to Seniors

 

[skipp]

Here is one of those "top rated" healthcare systems you were talking about:

UK Systematically Denies Surgery to Seniors

British healthcare doesn't really score too high on any list. You can't just lump all other healthcare systems together. There are plenty of other healthcare systems around the world that work far more successfully than the NHS that we could use as a guide. Proving that another country has some problems doesn't really make our own problems go away. Our healthcare system is an overly complicated, overly expensive, inefficient mess and SOMETHING needs to be done to reform it.

 

[PennEd]

British healthcare doesn't really score too high on any list. You can't just lump all other healthcare systems together. There are plenty of other healthcare systems around the world that work far more successfully than the NHS that we could use as a guide. Proving that another country has some problems doesn't really make our own problems go away. Our healthcare system is an overly complicated, overly expensive, inefficient mess and SOMETHING needs to be done to reform it.

Where are the "plenty of other healthcare systems" that work better than ours? (PRE-OBAMACARE).
The ENTIRE problem with the system is the COST. So how do we lower the cost.

We need to have people in charge of their own healthcare. Which includes paying for their own.

We must have tort reform that includes the loser paying the winner's legal fees and other expenses brought on by medical malpractice lawsuits.

Insurances companies must not be forbidden from offering plans across state lines.

There should be allowable policies that are solely for catastrophic care. A 25 yr old only needs that. Why should a healthy 25 yr old male have to pay for maternity coverage as mandated under obamacare?

Without competition EVERYTHING, including healthcare, eventually deteriorates to it's lowest common denominator. This is a basic law of human nature. A giant, federal program ignores this law. You have only the VA healthcare system, which has directly murdered many vets to see this truth.

 

[SonInMe]

Do you think you are going to find accurate studies in a country that has embraced the socialist ideal, studies that would prove the failures inherent in socialism?

I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn if you think you can.

The Brits and all the other countries with national health care have embraced government solutions. To do that, delusion is key.

Its too late

 

[skipp]

Where are the "plenty of other healthcare systems" that work better than ours? (PRE-OBAMACARE).
The ENTIRE problem with the system is the COST. So how do we lower the cost.

We need to have people in charge of their own healthcare. Which includes paying for their own.

We must have tort reform that includes the loser paying the winner's legal fees and other expenses brought on by medical malpractice lawsuits.

Insurances companies must not be forbidden from offering plans across state lines.

There should be allowable policies that are solely for catastrophic care. A 25 yr old only needs that. Why should a healthy 25 yr old male have to pay for maternity coverage as mandated under obamacare?

Without competition EVERYTHING, including healthcare, eventually deteriorates to it's lowest common denominator. This is a basic law of human nature. A giant, federal program ignores this law. You have only the VA healthcare system, which has directly murdered many vets to see this truth.

Switzerland and Sweden have successful market-oriented healthcare systems that get far better results than we do (along with being cheaper). Surely we could take some pointers. The healthcare system that we have now has very little competition in it as it is. The consumer has very little power or choice in our current system. I agree the biggest problem with our system is the cost, plus tying health insurance to employment has been a huge mistake. I do think it's interesting though that the one demographic who seems perfectly content with their healthcare are seniors.

 

[skipp]

I meant to say Singapore, not Sweden in my first sentence. Singapore healthcare is very market-oriented and gets good results.