House Dems STRIKE To Implement First Sharia Law!

[Desdichado]

My point was Christians arguing on rather hate speech should be allowed or not.

Not the attack that Christianity is under here in the U.S. and other places.

Hate speech should not even be an issue with us Christians because hate is not the way of God.

Apostle John makes it clear where those who hate others stand and its not in Christ !!!

Christians can argue over whether "hate speech" is appropriate, because the meaning of "hate speech" is so fluid. It's a plank of post-modern morality, relying heavily on the subjective views of a weak, cocooned generation. Not standards of truth and justice.

 

[KennethC]

Your problem is that the liberals consider the truth of Christ ...hate speech .... calling homosexual acts a "sin" is hate speech to the liberals trying to make these laws.

In who's mind are you speaking on because I have talked to a number of liberals who do not state calling homosexuality a sin is hate speech.

What they said they consider hate speech is when those who preach this to them are preaching at them and condemning them because of it. Then it does become hate because we are not to condemn anybody !!!

We are called to approach people in their sins in a soft and loving way, not a hateful and condemning way !!!

There is a big difference in preaching "TO" somebody then preaching "AT" somebody !!!!

 

[Desdichado]

There is no teaching in the bible that justifies us to show hatred, and the only time it speaks of us getting angry it says not to let the sun go down on our wrath.

That means work it out and let it go, not to carry on holding this hatred over on others.

The definition of hatred and hate speech has not been sufficiently defined. Nobody should trust a group of Congressmen to define it for them.

 

[KennethC]

Christians can argue over whether "hate speech" is appropriate, because the meaning of "hate speech" is so fluid. It's a plank of post-modern morality, relying heavily on the subjective views of a weak, cocooned generation. Not standards of truth and justice.

Again hate is not the way of God, love is the way of God.

Apostle John gives a clear teaching on this and states that anybody who is operating in hatred does not have the Truth/eternal life abiding in them.

Should we believe what the Word of God says, or ignore it over personal feelings ???

 

[Desdichado]

In who's mind are you speaking on because I have talked to a number of liberals who do not state calling homosexuality a sin is hate speech.

What they said they consider hate speech is when those who preach this to them are preaching at them and condemning them because of it. Then it does become hate because we are not to condemn anybody !!!

We are called to approach people in their sins in a soft and loving way, not a hateful and condemning way !!!

There is a big difference in preaching "TO" somebody then preaching "AT" somebody !!!!

Have we not come to find that what people these days say to our face and then go and say to their counselors, lawyers, judges, the media etc. to be two different things?

 

[Desdichado]

Again hate is not the way of God, love is the way of God.

Apostle John gives a clear teaching on this and states that anybody who is operating in hatred does not have the Truth/eternal life abiding in them.

Should we believe what the Word of God says, or ignore it over personal feelings ???

Do you read what I actually say or just write stuff down?

 

[Mitspa]

Christians can argue over whether "hate speech" is appropriate, because the meaning of "hate speech" is so fluid. It's a plank of post-modern morality, relying heavily on the subjective views of a weak, cocooned generation. Not standards of truth and justice.

What many Christians don't understand is that when Christ said "love your neighbor as yourself", He was quoting from the Old Testament that said in the previous verse that if you would see them live in sin..then you hate them ...

 

[Sirk]

In who's mind are you speaking on because I have talked to a number of liberals who do not state calling homosexuality a sin is hate speech.

What they said they consider hate speech is when those who preach this to them are preaching at them and condemning them because of it. Then it does become hate because we are not to condemn anybody !!!

We are called to approach people in their sins in a soft and loving way, not a hateful and condemning way !!!

There is a big difference in preaching "TO" somebody then preaching "AT" somebody !!!!

Yes.....but do you yourself know the difference? Lol

 

[KennethC]

Do you read what I actually say or just write stuff down?

Yes I do read what is said, but will continue to repeat myself by using God's standards if at anytime what is said is trying to make it sound acceptable for Christians to live in hatred toward others.

I will not stand for that because hatred is not the way of God, and this needs to be understood by all professing Christians if they want to continue in the Truth.

 

[Sirk]

Yes I do read what is said, but will continue to repeat myself by using God's standards if at anytime what is said is trying to make it sound acceptable for Christians to live in hatred toward others.

I will not stand for that because hatred is not the way of God, and this needs to be understood by all professing Christians if they want to continue in the Truth.

So is this preaching too or at? I kinda feel like it's both. Lol

 

[Mitspa]

Yes I do read what is said, but will continue to repeat myself by using God's standards if at anytime what is said is trying to make it sound acceptable for Christians to live in hatred toward others.

I will not stand for that because hatred is not the way of God, and this needs to be understood by all professing Christians if they want to continue in the Truth.

Is calling sin..sin ..hate?

 

[Desdichado]

Yes I do read what is said, but will continue to repeat myself by using God's standards if at anytime what is said is trying to make it sound acceptable for Christians to live in hatred toward others.

I will not stand for that because hatred is not the way of God, and this needs to be understood by all professing Christians if they want to continue in the Truth.

Ouch! Stop hitting my straw man!

 

[crossnote]

H. Res. 569 is not a law, it is a 'resolution' which is simply a declaratory statement of the cosigner's stance on an issue.

it is absolutely not implementation of any kind of sharia law but a reaffirmation of the cosigner's agreement with the first amendment and with existing laws condemning singling out religious groups as targets of violence. it is nothing more than political posturing. it's not legislation​.

you my friend, thinking this is a law at all, or much less, the implementation of sharia law, are the victim of conservative political propaganda, designed to mislead you and incite you to anger and mistrust.

here's the pertinent part of the text of the resolution. let me know which part you disagree with or think is contrary to the constitution and existing anti-hate-crime laws.

• Whereas the rise of hateful and anti-Muslim speech, violence, and cultural ignorance plays into the false narrative spread by terrorist groups of Western hatred of Islam, and can encourage certain individuals to react in extreme and violent ways
• Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives —
  
  

(1) expresses its condolences for the victims of anti-Muslim hate crimes;
(2) steadfastly confirms its dedication to the rights and dignity of all its citizens of all faiths, beliefs, and cultures;
(3) denounces in the strongest terms the increase of hate speech, intimidation, violence, vandalism, arson, and other hate crimes targeted against mosques, Muslims, or those perceived to be Muslim;
(4) recognizes that the United States Muslim community has made countless positive contributions to United States society;
(5) declares that the civil rights and civil liberties of all United States citizens, including Muslims in the United States, should be protected and preserved;
(6) urges local and Federal law enforcement authorities to work to prevent hate crimes; and to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those perpetrators of hate crimes; and
(7) reaffirms the inalienable right of every citizen to live without fear and intimidation, and to practice their freedom of faith.

full text of the house resolution is found here

Still, how does it escape the charge of giving special or preferential treatment to one religious group since it specifically mentions Muslims. Why not drop any group's name and include all law abiding religious faiths?

 

[KennethC]

[/B]Yes.....but do you yourself know the difference? Lol

Yes I do know the difference which is why I am constantly calling people out who preach at people instead of to them, and this is done by those who blindly follow what other men say without testing them.

There is all kinds of traps people can fall into if they don't test what is being said, which is why we have congregations following blindly false teachers now days.

They think because they say Jesus name and standing behind the pulpit they must be sent from God to preach, satan has his ministers to that they pose as workers of light but are actually spreading lies !!!

 

[Sirk]

Yes I do know the difference which is why I am constantly calling people out who preach at people instead of to them, and this is done by those who blindly follow what other men say without testing them.

There is all kinds of traps people can fall into if they don't test what is being said, which is why we have congregations following blindly false teachers now days.

They think because they say Jesus name and standing behind the pulpit they must be sent from God to preach, satan has his ministers to that they pose as workers of light but are actually spreading lies !!!

Then when do you yourself preach AT people? Just outa curiosity.

 

[KennethC]

Ouch! Stop hitting my straw man!

God's grace involves tough love !!!

Not everything we hear in the Word of God is going to be things we want to hear, as take the book of James for instance. If any Christian can read that book without feeling convicted I would ask them if they have actually been born again, because his epistle is about making us look at our actions to see if we are in the faith.

 

[KennethC]

Then when do you yourself preach AT people? Just outa curiosity.

When I let others people demeaning attitudes toward me pull me out of character, and thus resort to using unedifying words that I shouldn't.

I am not perfect by any means and am still growing and maturing in the faith, so I have my issues as well.

Thanks be to God and His Holy Spirit He is working in me to overcome these ways !!!

Without Him I could do nothing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sirk]

Maybe if Kenneth substituted the word "talk" for "preach" concerning the idea of at and to...each of those aforementioned words could have their respective meanings back. Lol

 

[crossnote]

Is calling sin..sin ..hate?

No, but calling hate..hate is sin.

 

[KennethC]

Maybe if Kenneth substituted the word "talk" for "preach" concerning the idea of at and to...each of those aforementioned words could have their respective meanings back. Lol

Preach at and talk at does not have different meanings, both is still the wrong approach.

You get nowhere preaching at or talking at others, sometimes on here though talking to or preaching to does not get anywhere either.

You can talk to people in the most calmly loving way giving all kinds of evidence, and they still blow off what you say to follow their bread in preconceived teachings that can only be traced back to the 4th century or even more closer to now days then that.