Human Cloning takes Leap Forward...

[hattiebod]

Was on the news this evening.... <><


Human cloning has been used to produce early embryos, marking a "significant step" for medicine, say US scientists.
The cloned embryos were used as a source of stem cells, which can make new heart muscle, bone, brain tissue or any other type of cell in the body.
The study, published in the journal Cell, used methods like those that produced Dolly the sheep in the UK.
However, researchers say other sources of stem cells may be easier, cheaper and less controversial.
Stem cells are one of the great hopes for medicine. Being able to create new tissue might be able to heal the damage caused by a heart attack or repair a severed spinal cord.
There are already trials taking place using stem cells taken from donated embryos to restore people's sight.
However, these donated cells do not match the patient so they would be rejected by the body. Cloning bypasses this problem.
The technique used - somatic cell nuclear transfer - has been well-known since Dolly the sheep became the first mammal to be cloned, in 1996.

 

[secularhermit]

Oh! I hope to find out my missing RIB... Ha! Ha! Surely one of these took it out when I was born. Ja! Ja! Ja!

 

[maxwel]

Human cloning is a slippery slope.

But it's a slippery slope that humans will definitely stay on...
because slippery slopes is what the human race does.
A fallen race is fairly predictable.

 

[Nautilus]

I fail to see cloning as anything less than awesome

 

[Christabel]

Was on the news this evening.... <><


Human cloning has been used to produce early embryos, marking a "significant step" for medicine, say US scientists.
The cloned embryos were used as a source of stem cells, which can make new heart muscle, bone, brain tissue or any other type of cell in the body.
The study, published in the journal Cell, used methods like those that produced Dolly the sheep in the UK.
However, researchers say other sources of stem cells may be easier, cheaper and less controversial.
Stem cells are one of the great hopes for medicine. Being able to create new tissue might be able to heal the damage caused by a heart attack or repair a severed spinal cord.
There are already trials taking place using stem cells taken from donated embryos to restore people's sight.
However, these donated cells do not match the patient so they would be rejected by the body. Cloning bypasses this problem.
The technique used - somatic cell nuclear transfer - has been well-known since Dolly the sheep became the first mammal to be cloned, in 1996.

There are different kinds of cloning. This type you mention involves no real person in the making. This type is merely tissue, and it stops forming very shortly after it starts. It's made to help people with all those things you've listed. But there's never anything that would actually become an real fetus. It never had the potential to formulate beyond tissue. Before making judgement calls on all these issues, we need to educate ourselves. I'm sure many on here will be saying I'm wrong, but I studied this in depth a science class. If my child was blind or dying of something, and I could change that with this method you're talking about, I'd do this in a moment. Again, these ''clones'', if you can call them that, never were people. It's only tissue. No brains, lungs, heart. Nothing.

 

[maxwel]

I fail to see cloning as anything less than awesome

You might feel differently if someone came to your house and said,
"Oh, we forgot to ever tell you that you're a clone...
we'll need to chop off your arms today.
Someone needs them."

Owie.

And there are probably a thousand other examples of much more plausible,
but equally horrifying things that could happen.

And before you say that's silly, those things could never happen...
please remember the human race has already done far more gruesome things in it's history.

: )

 

[Anonimous]

Nothing good could ever come of clowning.

 

[HollyLoree]

You might feel differently if someone came to your house and said,
"Oh, we forgot to ever tell you that you're a clone...
we'll need to chop off your arms today.
Someone needs them."

Owie.

And there are probably a thousand other examples of much more plausible,
but equally horrifying things that could happen.

And before you say that's silly, those things could never happen...
please remember the human race has already done far more gruesome things in it's history.

: )

You've been watching too many horror movies. And why would the proverbial they be chopping your arms off even if you were a clone? You have a strange mind. I sure wonder about some of the people on here. Nah, don't answer. I can already guess. "Cause you're a clone, and they'll be wanting to use your body parts for something else!" Ha. Again, stop watching all those horror movies.

 

[maxwel]

You've been watching too many horror movies. And why would the proverbial they be chopping your arms off even if you were a clone? You have a strange mind. I sure wonder about some of the people on here. Nah, don't answer. I can already guess. "Cause you're a clone, and they'll be wanting to use your body parts for something else!" Ha. Again, stop watching all those horror movies.

It's really irrelevant what any of us think about it.
There is a simple, time-honored pattern.

1. Science WILL march forward.

2. All new science WILL be used for good things, and also for evil things.

It's pretty basic, and all of human history has always, in every case, shown this exact same pattern.
Just the way it is.


On the other hand, you DID made me laugh, and that's ALWAYS good,lol.
: )

 

[jimmydiggs]

You've been watching too many horror movies. And why would the proverbial they be chopping your arms off even if you were a clone? You have a strange mind. I sure wonder about some of the people on here. Nah, don't answer. I can already guess. "Cause you're a clone, and they'll be wanting to use your body parts for something else!" Ha. Again, stop watching all those horror movies.

Regardless of horror stories, I don't see how anyone could be thrilled about cloning.

 

[Nautilus]

Regardless of horror stories, I don't see how anyone could be thrilled about cloning.

Um how is cloning not amazing. At what point does the thought of multiple yous not sound awesome? I wish I had clones of myself with me here now. Just the fun you could have since you all like the same things and the pranks you could pull.

 

[hattiebod]

There are different kinds of cloning. This type you mention involves no real person in the making. This type is merely tissue, and it stops forming very shortly after it starts. It's made to help people with all those things you've listed. But there's never anything that would actually become an real fetus. It never had the potential to formulate beyond tissue. Before making judgement calls on all these issues, we need to educate ourselves. I'm sure many on here will be saying I'm wrong, but I studied this in depth a science class. If my child was blind or dying of something, and I could change that with this method you're talking about, I'd do this in a moment. Again, these ''clones'', if you can call them that, never were people. It's only tissue. No brains, lungs, heart. Nothing.

Opponents say it is unethical to experiment on human embryos and have called for a ban.

I think this is the issue for me. Creating life to 'farm' it, wrong is wrong, regardless if man can justify it. God is the creator of life and also the taker, regardless of our reasoning. God Bless, <><

 

[psychomom]

Was on the news this evening.... <><


Human cloning has been used to produce early embryos, marking a "significant step" for medicine, say US scientists.
The cloned embryos were used as a source of stem cells, which can make new heart muscle, bone, brain tissue or any other type of cell in the body.

There are different kinds of cloning. This type you mention involves no real person in the making. This type is merely tissue, and it stops forming very shortly after it starts. It's made to help people with all those things you've listed. But there's never anything that would actually become an real fetus. It never had the potential to formulate beyond tissue. Before making judgement calls on all these issues, we need to educate ourselves. I'm sure many on here will be saying I'm wrong, but I studied this in depth a science class. If my child was blind or dying of something, and I could change that with this method you're talking about, I'd do this in a moment. Again, these ''clones'', if you can call them that, never were people. It's only tissue. No brains, lungs, heart. Nothing.

Oh, so science says it's so, and that makes it so?

I ask this over and over, but if life does not begin at conception, please tell me on which day of development we may consider the life human, and worthy of our protection.

 

[Nautilus]

I go with the point of fetal viability.
Fetal viability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[psychomom]

I go with the point of fetal viability.
Fetal viability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it safe for me to then make the assumption that you oppose partial birth abortion?

 

[psychomom]

Also, Nautilus, what do we do with the fact these embryos are designed never to reach "fetal viability"?

 

[psychomom]

I go with the point of fetal viability.
Fetal viability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sorry, my thoughts are scattered tonight.

but I just noticed we now have someone saying science and the gov't (law) say it's so, thus is must be so.

are these to be the Christian's authority?

 

[Nautilus]

Is it safe for me to then make the assumption that you oppose partial birth abortion?

I do even though they literally only account for .17% of abortions in this nation and therefore aren't a huge issue in my eyes. Numbers are from 2000 though.

Also, Nautilus, what do we do with the fact these embryos are designed never to reach "fetal viability"?

Even better...we are creating cells here. These are not intended to be life forms. In fact if you want to go with standard christian views God knew each one of us before he knit us in our mother's wombs. These things we are making in labs are never meant to live its simply an ends to a means to achieve the necessary stem cells to do incredible medical work. They aren't taking these from a womb, simply growing them in test tubes.

sorry, my thoughts are scattered tonight.

but I just noticed we now have someone saying science and the gov't (law) say it's so, thus is must be so.

are these to be the Christian's authority?

Well no on is making you clone anything are they? So while all Christians are welcome to interpret this cloning as they will, personal beliefs is no reason to stop medical progress. If you disagree with it, refuse to ever get a procedure with them done. It's rather simple honestly. There are lots of things Christians don't like..simply don't participate if you feel that way about those topics.(This applies to everyone and not just you individually)

 

[HollyLoree]

I do even though they literally only account for .17% of abortions in this nation and therefore aren't a huge issue in my eyes. Numbers are from 2000 though.


Even better...we are creating cells here. These are not intended to be life forms. In fact if you want to go with standard christian views God knew each one of us before he knit us in our mother's wombs. These things we are making in labs are never meant to live its simply an ends to a means to achieve the necessary stem cells to do incredible medical work. They aren't taking these from a womb, simply growing them in test tubes.


Well no on is making you clone anything are they? So while all Christians are welcome to interpret this cloning as they will, personal beliefs is no reason to stop medical progress. If you disagree with it, refuse to ever get a procedure with them done. It's rather simple honestly. There are lots of things Christians don't like..simply don't participate if you feel that way about those topics.(This applies to everyone and not just you individually)

I just can't see how if this cloning process we're discussing can't possible ever have a heart, brain, lungs, etc., how can it be thought of as a human being? Ever? How is taking a human life an issue here? This is not growing a human being. This is simply growing tissue that can help human beings. We have to be rational here. I fear often Christian conservatives go to a fanatical extreme. Certainly, conservatives, at least, factor God into their thinking. Hence, they have that spiritual aid to lead them in their thinking. When God is not part of your thinking, then you go way out of whack to the right. You don't factor the God quotient into your thinking, and therefore, you have no spiritual guidance. Now you have no rudder, whatsoever! So it seems we should use both our common sense along that spiritual rudder to guide us. Right? Common sense tells me if there's no person involved, and no potential for there to be one, there's no sin involved, especially when this is being done to help living human beings.

Any sane human being would be totally against partial birth abortions. That's a horror story in itself.

 

[psychomom]

I do even though they literally only account for .17% of abortions in this nation and therefore aren't a huge issue in my eyes. Numbers are from 2000 though.


Even better...we are creating cells here. These are not intended to be life forms. In fact if you want to go with standard christian views God knew each one of us before he knit us in our mother's wombs. These things we are making in labs are never meant to live its simply an ends to a means to achieve the necessary stem cells to do incredible medical work. They aren't taking these from a womb, simply growing them in test tubes.


Well no on is making you clone anything are they? So while all Christians are welcome to interpret this cloning as they will, personal beliefs is no reason to stop medical progress. If you disagree with it, refuse to ever get a procedure with them done. It's rather simple honestly. There are lots of things Christians don't like..simply don't participate if you feel that way about those topics.(This applies to everyone and not just you individually)

Not intended to be life forms? By whom, the scientists who take an egg and a sperm (fertilized egg=life form, IMO) and place them in a test tube to grow until it suits their purposes? Max is right...we have no proper ethical, much less moral, framework for this. So the slide begins.

We're not talking about SCNT here...(somatic cell nuclear transfer). We're talking about human embryos. The little ones placed in women's wombs for the purpose of giving that woman a child. They 'clone' (which may not be the right word) the cells from human embryos.

And you're right...I don't have to have any procedure involving this. But as a Christian, I do feel a responsibility to speak and act against what I believe is wrong in God's view.

Just as you speak and act against what you feel is wrong, yes?