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kaylagrl

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On Nationalism

I never said Nationalism = no freedom. I said socialism = no freedom, prosperity, confidence, or cultural dynamism one needs to have a real Nationalist country.

If by Nationalism you mean patriotism, that is. Nationalism itself is an older and even more vague term than "Alt-Right." Most Americans equate nationalism with patriotism. I'm writing with the assumption you are to, so tell me if I'm not on the right track.

I thought I made it very clear my main quibble was with socialism.


On Nazi Germany

That's a cop-out. You're participating an awful lot on this thread. I don't think any of us are asking for a book. We want you to give a brief (maybe one or two paragraph) explanation of your actual argument with historical facts beyond "the truth is out there." Then where you got information from.

I've read my share on Nazi Germany and from what I can see the Jews did nothing wrong as a people. Certainly nothing that would justify rounding them up, taking their money, splitting their families apart, forcing them to live in ghettos, using their bodies for medical experiments, and slain on industrial scale.

Before all that, they were treated like white men today. Subject to a propaganda campaign that preyed on ignorance , grievance, and widely-accepted half truths.

Right,we're dealing with some terms here that mean different things to different people. Without a solid definition from that person we dont know what we're dealing with. I mentioned socialism also. The Jews did nothing to deserve what happened in the Holocaust or for the hundreds of years before that,being tossed out of over 100 countries,I believe it was. Still awaiting an answer for that one.
 
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i APO I apolgize I was rude to you. I have been falsely insulted since this thread started and it builded up bad energy and I got offended. I apologize if I came off too harsh. I am human and have my things to work on too. I am not the most cool headed person when trying to explain things when under pressure and I can lose my temper too.
Not a problem. We're not going to agree on everything. But certain things you've mentioned I do agree with, quite strongly. And yes,Ive been called racist for saying it too. I tend to be direct when I write,perhaps too much,but there is no tone in writing so its easy to offend in these type of situations. S'all good,as they say.
 
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Thats a part of all of it FranC. The hard right would never let immigrants in. They would not give terrorists any rights. They have found terrorist cells across the nation. One near me and a entire police force quit because they were not allowed to retaliate. That entire police force now trains with a militia and monitors that site waiting to defend their town. We are giving them $1200 a month to come here and live free. They refuse to integrate and are acting worse here than they really did in Europe. People have been raped and killed yes, but most importantly terrorist activity goes on.... hang on let me show you something. Anyway I was going to say the alt right would just nuke any terrorist country and throw them in ovens and get it over with. Some in America and Europe are plotting terrorist attacks and only getting 2 years in jail. They should not be in jail they should be in hell. Thats why they call us Nazis. Thats why I say the liberals will be the end of humanity. If white western nations do not feed all these other nations then they can not even feed themself and who will provide for the world? Look at this so called refugee camp of Syrian refugees of small children and women that the news says.
[video=youtube;n0GVDArwobc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0GVDArwobc[/video]
You're right Infursion.

What you say sounds racist, but those who don't understand will wake up one day under Sharia Law and they won't be so happy.
There's a town in Missouri (I think) that has a Muslim Mayor and the population is mostly Islamist. London voted for a Muslim mayor. How dumb does one have to be? Look what's going on there. I have a friend from there and she's pretty mad.

Maybe some just don't understand the effects that this will have?
Maybe they just want to be nice people?
I want to be a nice person too, but not if you try to kill me or my culture.

I live in Italy, BTW. In a small are in the mountains. And WE'RE starting to feel the effects.
What effects, some might say...

Here are a few...

We used to sleep with the Keys in the door so we wouldn't lose them.
We used to keep the Windows WIDE OPEN in the summer for the cool breeze. Got central air so I could lock them.
Some (won't mention who) go right ahead of you at the check out counter.
Some hang around in groups here and there in a place which is not used to seeing this (and more).
Houses are getting broken into. This was unheard of just 10 or 15 years ago.
Autos are being stolen.

I fear for what is to come.

And who makes it here?
Men, women and children, , , families?
NO.

Young and healthy guys and we don't even know where they're coming from.
Many from Syria. Those that are escaping the war need help.
But terrorists are gettng through too.

And you should see the cities. Let's not even go there.

And this in not even ONE generation.
Let's try two or three...

Let me stop. It gets me too upset.
 
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You're right Infursion.

What you say sounds racist, but those who don't understand will wake up one day under Sharia Law and they won't be so happy.
There's a town in Missouri (I think) that has a Muslim Mayor and the population is mostly Islamist. London voted for a Muslim mayor. How dumb does one have to be? Look what's going on there. I have a friend from there and she's pretty mad.

Maybe some just don't understand the effects that this will have?
Maybe they just want to be nice people?
I want to be a nice person too, but not if you try to kill me or my culture.

I live in Italy, BTW. In a small are in the mountains. And WE'RE starting to feel the effects.
What effects, some might say...

Here are a few...

We used to sleep with the Keys in the door so we wouldn't lose them.
We used to keep the Windows WIDE OPEN in the summer for the cool breeze. Got central air so I could lock them.
Some (won't mention who) go right ahead of you at the check out counter.
Some hang around in groups here and there in a place which is not used to seeing this (and more).
Houses are getting broken into. This was unheard of just 10 or 15 years ago.
Autos are being stolen.

I fear for what is to come.

And who makes it here?
Men, women and children, , , families?
NO.

Young and healthy guys and we don't even know where they're coming from.
Many from Syria. Those that are escaping the war need help.
But terrorists are gettng through too.

And you should see the cities. Let's not even go there.

And this in not even ONE generation.
Let's try two or three...

Let me stop. It gets me too upset.
You should move to the southern states of USA in the country. In my opinion its the only place that will survive the liberal infection.
 
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You should move to the southern states of USA in the country. In my opinion its the only place that will survive the liberal infection.
Grew up in NYC. Queens.

No can do what you say.
Family here.
But I agree.

Maybe it won't be so bad.
Maybe we'll wake up in time...
Maybe it's what God wants to bring the end.
We can't be sure ...
 
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DarkRose

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Well hey, Im not going to fill pages arguing over who's got better knowledge.Ive traveled in probably over a thousand churches in 20yrs in all denominations. I dont know what your knowledge is but Id say my experience is compatible with your knowledge,lets call it even.

As to the second point,I do somewhat agree with you,check my post to Huckleberry about smokers,Im sure Im about to get blasted for my comment to him. I believe the church is a hospital,a place where Jesus heals the lost,those in sin and bondage. But remember Jesus said "go and sin no more". So we cannot just allow people to continue a lifestyle of sin and make them feel they're on their way to heaven. But that ,to me,is up to the preaching in the pulpit. There has to be a balance of love and grace,but also sin must be preached on. So Im thinking we somewhat agree. Now I have to see what response I got to smokers in the other thread and see what the fall out is for that. Ahh the BDF,good times.
I think we agree more then we think we do
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I don't even know what you all are talking about anymore.

:p

I feel like im taking crazy pills!
 

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The terms are not everything, but the first step to recognizing any action is figuring out what something is. This requires clarification of terms in a way that is understood by all parties involved. Right and left, gay and straight, Christian and heathen, etc.

Progressives are masters at dominating the political conversation. They use this dominance largely to obfuscate, not clarify. Impose their own definitions on everybody else and they dance.

Politically, I consider myself a patriotic American. I believe in the ideals of our nation as founded, prudently weighed, collated, broadcasted, and applied by the generations of wise men immediately after theirs.


The majority Americans still do. That is dangerous to the goals of Marxism. Left unmolested, it would leave Progressives with a no-win scenario in the long run.

By necessity, they must try to divide us and keep us at each other's throats. Obfuscating the meaning of things is part of this.

Take the term Alt-Right for example. What Right in America, broadly speaking, is the patriotic ideal I described. It is not the garbage Spencer spews with his Al Gore-style environmentalism and Bernie Sanders-style economic platform (for that, just go to his website or any of his videos. total pinko).

You can disagree with Spencer on these vital policy points. But if you so far as to agree with him that America should exist independent of some globalist bruhaha, then you are suddenly an "Alt-Right."

Within the Spencerian Alt-Right, they danced to this tune. Seeking to clarify their label, they retort patriotic Americans are "civic nationalists" whereas they are "ethno nationalists." But, like any growing political movement, they want to inflate their numbers, so kicking the "civic nationalists" out of the coalition would prevent them from growing outside message boards.

The correct response to the Alt-Right would have been foreclosing on the possibility of them calling themselves "Right" in modern political discourse. Far Left Communists who happen to not find the American flag or Robert E. Lee statues offensive.

Sadly, the door doing that has shut. Non Alt-Righters are left thinking they are Alt-Right and getting their minds poisoned. Thankfully, I don't think this fire has spread to affect long-term political trends, but we are losing a lot of mid-tier thinkers who would otherwise be stalwart defenders of America as founded.

The American Right is left floundering in a celebrity circus without an influx of these people.

But there's hope. If this didn't occur in the age of the Social Justice Warrior and mass immigration, I would be more pessimistic.

But the Social Justice Warrior cult on the Left and their older Progressive enablers are hurting themselves more than they can dream of hurting us at the moment.

I think this is a fog not unlike the one that gave Washington's rag tag army safe passage out of New York city. I'll see you all at Yorktown. :)



Right,we're dealing with some terms here that mean different things to different people. Without a solid definition from that person we dont know what we're dealing with. I mentioned socialism also. The Jews did nothing to deserve what happened in the Holocaust or for the hundreds of years before that,being tossed out of over 100 countries,I believe it was. Still awaiting an answer for that one.
 

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Whew. I had no idea I had this much to say.

As Fran can attest, I'm more likely to post Jack White videos than write tomes.
 
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Infusion

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The terms are not everything, but the first step to recognizing any action is figuring out what something is. This requires clarification of terms in a way that is understood by all parties involved. Right and left, gay and straight, Christian and heathen, etc.

Progressives are masters at dominating the political conversation. They use this dominance largely to obfuscate, not clarify. Impose their own definitions on everybody else and they dance.

Politically, I consider myself a patriotic American. I believe in the ideals of our nation as founded, prudently weighed, collated, broadcasted, and applied by the generations of wise men immediately after theirs.


The majority Americans still do. That is dangerous to the goals of Marxism. Left unmolested, it would leave Progressives with a no-win scenario in the long run.

By necessity, they must try to divide us and keep us at each other's throats. Obfuscating the meaning of things is part of this.

Take the term Alt-Right for example. What Right in America, broadly speaking, is the patriotic ideal I described. It is not the garbage Spencer spews with his Al Gore-style environmentalism and Bernie Sanders-style economic platform (for that, just go to his website or any of his videos. total pinko).

You can disagree with Spencer on these vital policy points. But if you so far as to agree with him that America should exist independent of some globalist bruhaha, then you are suddenly an "Alt-Right."

Within the Spencerian Alt-Right, they danced to this tune. Seeking to clarify their label, they retort patriotic Americans are "civic nationalists" whereas they are "ethno nationalists." But, like any growing political movement, they want to inflate their numbers, so kicking the "civic nationalists" out of the coalition would prevent them from growing outside message boards.

The correct response to the Alt-Right would have been foreclosing on the possibility of them calling themselves "Right" in modern political discourse. Far Left Communists who happen to not find the American flag or Robert E. Lee statues offensive.

Sadly, the door doing that has shut. Non Alt-Righters are left thinking they are Alt-Right and getting their minds poisoned. Thankfully, I don't think this fire has spread to affect long-term political trends, but we are losing a lot of mid-tier thinkers who would otherwise be stalwart defenders of America as founded.

The American Right is left floundering in a celebrity circus without an influx of these people.

But there's hope. If this didn't occur in the age of the Social Justice Warrior and mass immigration, I would be more pessimistic.

But the Social Justice Warrior cult on the Left and their older Progressive enablers are hurting themselves more than they can dream of hurting us at the moment.

I think this is a fog not unlike the one that gave Washington's rag tag army safe passage out of New York city. I'll see you all at Yorktown. :)

Standing ovation for you sir. The alt right should just be called the right but the left pushed so far its come to that, and they are pushing extremist right ideologies which people fear so much. If the alt right is even the alt right, they are being pushed to it from the left. And if there is white nationalist parties which are not really racist, or there is a Nazi party which we see should be left, its not like we can tell them to change their beliefs so they dont use the same word we do. And still there is jewish and back parties in the alt right.
 
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Standing ovation for you sir. The alt right should just be called the right but the left pushed so far its come to that, and they are pushing extremist right ideologies which people fear so much. If the alt right is even the alt right, they are being pushed to it from the left. And if there is white nationalist parties which are not really racist, or there is a Nazi party which we see should be left, its not like we can tell them to change their beliefs so they dont use the same word we do. And still there is jewish and back parties in the alt right.


Here's a curve ball,where does the Tea Party fit in all of that? Haven't heard anything from them in a while.
 
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Whew. I had no idea I had this much to say.

As Fran can attest, I'm more likely to post Jack White videos than write tomes.
I attest re the Jack White videos.
I also attest that you're a real writer.

Got any books out??
 
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I am not going to post the replies because they are too long but to reply to a older question, I dont care about the Nazis, I dont know about the Nazis, I dont care what they think or what they did, this is America and a conversation about our political systems. If you are too lazy to research it thats between you and yourself but dont expect to convince me of anything by throwing some insult if I know you have no data or knowledge to support any claims. And you can not demand I prove something in two paragraphs because you dont feel like reading and researching. If you dont feel like researching than you will not learn and that has nothing to do with me.
 
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I am not going to post the replies because they are too long but to reply to a older question, I dont care about the Nazis, I dont know about the Nazis, I dont care what they think or what they did, this is America and a conversation about our political systems. If you are too lazy to research it thats between you and yourself but dont expect to convince me of anything by throwing some insult if I know you have no data or knowledge to support any claims. And you can not demand I prove something in two paragraphs because you dont feel like reading and researching. If you dont feel like researching than you will not learn and that has nothing to do with me.
...then why did you claim they were Christian?

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Infusion

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The only thing I will add that is even relevant is that the Nazis were indeed set up as a fascist system even if they claim to be socialist or whatever they said they were. When you own thought is governed and people are killed for listening to jazz then you are not socialist nationalist, you are fascist. They were in no way right wing and in no way socialist or nationalist no matter what they said.
 
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...then why did you claim they were Christian?

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Multilingual Ok you are right. I do know about them. You dont know about them. So if you dont know ask a question or go read a book but dont sit here and talk to me like you do know. Because if I started giving you a history test I am pretty sure you would fail miserably. So how can I discuss something with you that you know nothing about? My answer is because I thought grown ups might be here. And since you were arrogant I will be too. The fact you think they were muslim, hindu, or satanic is pretty stupid. Its Europe not some cartoon. And the idea to get a bunch of decent people together to kill all other races is even more stupid and anybody who believes something like that is stupid. I tried being polite.
 
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I would put up videos explaining it but this IS NOT THE NAZI LEARNING CHANNEL. Its the dont call us racist alt right thread. So I am not going to educate people on Nazi history, it has nothing to do with this topic and I really dont care to discuss that. If any of you half wits can find any reason in the world to connect Nazi to this conversation I would gladly educate you all day. But since its all " Oh you are wrong and I am right even though I am not sure that I am right but I really want to call you wrong" junk. NO I am not doing your research for you on something I have no desire to talk about. Do your own research then talk to somebody else about it after you know if the words coming out of your mouth are true or not.
 
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By the way excuse my rudeness and if you came in here to actually talk politics thank you very much.
 
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