I Can't Breathe ?!

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sherryt

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He was high and freaking out
I'm sure police officers encounter that pretty often
I don't see any reason why four police officers can't restrain a handcuffed Man without killing him

Information I would like to add: Before I begin: FIRST I believe the officers were WRONG. 5 year ago our son was on drugs. He was 5'2" (small stature) he weighed 140 lbs. He was out of control (freaking out) it took 4 officers to try and control him. Because of his fighting against the officers (4) they found it necessary to use a taser on him. There were witnesses to this event.

My point being, I don't think any of us can understand how out of control an individual can get when drugs are involved in someone's system.
 

Lanolin

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when animals are out of control usually they are shot with tranquilising darts and then detained not just shot. oR they are lassooed.

Not really sure why police in america think they have the right to kill someone under arrest. They are meant to be policeman, not guerillas. maybe this police guy who killed this man thought he was James Bond or something, but as far as I know Police dont have a licence to kill. Thats the wrong job.

if the police really wanted to protect america why would they kill someone and then incite an entire race to be even more violent.

when rich people get high on drugs they have place to go like rehab to dry out. Poor people will get caught and sent to jail. same idea, isolation, but often those high wont want to go, even though they know its the best place for them to stop them from endangering anybody else. Yes its a huge expense, but the point if it is to get them sober and to the point they are strong enough to say NO to drugs.

whats weird is when you find policemen in collusion with the drug rings so they end up perpetuating them.
people have really got to screen who is in the police because its really not a job for you if you hate people, its a job for you if you want to protect people, from harming themselves and each other.

In my country, police take oaths to 'keep the peace'. peace does not involve using violence or hurting other people.

I dont think they do this in america, police there have a repuation for being rather useless Im sorry to say. thats why theres so many american comicbook superheroes doing their own thing for justice cos clearly the police arent doing their job. You have your spiderman, superman, batman ironman, antman, but you dont have Policeman
 

kaylagrl

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#83
when animals are out of control usually they are shot with tranquilising darts and then detained not just shot. oR they are lassooed.

Not really sure why police in america think they have the right to kill someone under arrest. They are meant to be policeman, not guerillas. maybe this police guy who killed this man thought he was James Bond or something, but as far as I know Police dont have a licence to kill. Thats the wrong job.
Police don't think they can kill someone under arrest. The majority of police do their job and they do it well. They risk their lives every day to protect and serve ALL citizens.



if the police really wanted to protect america why would they kill someone and then incite an entire race to be even more violent.
They didn't, one man is responsible and he will do the time for it. No one incited an entire race to be violent and beat/ murder people in the streets. That's ridiculous, people are not animals. This is being done for a reason, there is an agenda that these groups are pushing. It has zero to do with George Floyd or black lives.


In my country, police take oaths to 'keep the peace'. peace does not involve using violence or hurting other people.

I dont think they do this in america, police there have a repuation for being rather useless Im sorry to say. thats why theres so many american comicbook superheroes doing their own thing for justice cos clearly the police arent doing their job. You have your spiderman, superman, batman ironman, antman, but you dont have Policeman

Super heroes are fake, these are REAL heroes. 911 has the world and America forgotten?! Shame on you for forgetting the bravery of these men and women!!

 

Dude653

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when animals are out of control usually they are shot with tranquilising darts and then detained not just shot. oR they are lassooed.

Not really sure why police in america think they have the right to kill someone under arrest. They are meant to be policeman, not guerillas. maybe this police guy who killed this man thought he was James Bond or something, but as far as I know Police dont have a licence to kill. Thats the wrong job.

if the police really wanted to protect america why would they kill someone and then incite an entire race to be even more violent.

when rich people get high on drugs they have place to go like rehab to dry out. Poor people will get caught and sent to jail. same idea, isolation, but often those high wont want to go, even though they know its the best place for them to stop them from endangering anybody else. Yes its a huge expense, but the point if it is to get them sober and to the point they are strong enough to say NO to drugs.

whats weird is when you find policemen in collusion with the drug rings so they end up perpetuating them.
people have really got to screen who is in the police because its really not a job for you if you hate people, its a job for you if you want to protect people, from harming themselves and each other.

In my country, police take oaths to 'keep the peace'. peace does not involve using violence or hurting other people.

I dont think they do this in america, police there have a repuation for being rather useless Im sorry to say. thats why theres so many american comicbook superheroes doing their own thing for justice cos clearly the police arent doing their job. You have your spiderman, superman, batman ironman, antman, but you dont have Policeman
The War on drugs has been in abysmal failure all at taxpayers expense
 
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You didn't watch the other video. That much is clear by your remarks there.

George Floyd was saying he couldn't breathe until he stopped saying that while Chauvin had both knees and his full body weight distributed mainly on that knee on Floyd's throat.

Just a thought here. Anyone that thinks this wasn't murder, when it clearly was and was also assisted by fellow officers on site, have someone roughly the size of Chauvin press their knee in the side of your throat while you're on your stomach. And have their other knee on your back. Like they're on their knees spread far apart with their body weight mostly on your throat, while you lay on the floor underneath all that.

Can you breathe? Can you take a breath? Make sure that person on your neck and back remains there for eight minutes and forty-six seconds. That's how long Chauvin was on George Floyd's neck and back. And 2 minutes and fifty-three seconds of that time? Was after George Floyd stopped saying he couldn't breathe and stopped speaking entirely. THAT IS MURDER!

And for what purpose!? Is the ultimate question there because one man and all those cops, there was no excuse for that illegal hold. I repeat, ILLEGAL hold!
Floyd was subdued. If nothing else, they could have hobbled him and put him in the back of a car immediately after he resisted going into the car because he was claustrophobic.

Someone made a comment about how that didn't seem to apply when he was in his own car.
That's because George Floyd was going into the back of a squad car! A squad car is not as open as ones own personal vehicle. It is a very closed environment. The Plexiglas and likely also bars panel behind the front drivers seat. The very close space between the back bench seat and that petition, is tight. A claustrophobic condition would respond to that environment. Whereas one's own car has a wide open windshield , the driver seat can be pushed as far back as needed, and the driver, Floyd in this case, has control of the window to allow it to open for air. None of that happens in the back of cop cars.


I want the officer who killed Floyd and those who were accomplice to go to prison. But if their jury is anything like those in the Amadou Diallo NY case, shot with 41 bullets in an apartment hallway, and those jurors included in their deliberations two questions. How safe will we be if we convict and send these cops to prison where they've been part of what sent prisoners there? And, what is the likelihood we won't be harassed by their police brothers and sisters after we convict, and the odds of their responding to our future if any 911 calls?
In which case, you'll likely be right. This case won't turn out the way it should! Prosecution of justice against a murderer and his accomplices.

It's amazing to me that anyone would be optimistic that cops who openly murdered a man on the street in broad daylight with witnesses capturing it on smart phones are looking forward to their being freed!
Oh, I know why. Because they don't live where those freed cops will patrol later.
He said he could not breathe while in the patrol car .
He was probably so high that organs or circulation was shutting down. Or a panic attack.

Bottom line is Floyed could have simply sat in the patrol car.
Why would sitting in the patrol car freak anyone out?
Especially since they found him sitting in a car.
......unless he was tripping out on drugs. Severe paranoia.

The cop told him he would sit with him.
Nothing there indicating a motive to kill or hurt him.

Now had he not been fighting them,what would be the outcome?????

But no,that common sense does not feed the fake victim hoax.

Blacks need anti victim leaders to lead them into adulthood. Once they are adults they can be productive and not have that victim baggage that feeds the "poor helpless disenfranchised" feel sorry for me mentality.
It Has to happen as they are growing up.

Instead they are raised from the beginning to be victims.

No leaders....no victory for black youth.
Then we have what we have.
80 or so % of blacks entering adulthood as victims in their minds.

Even black pastors buy into the fakery.
 

Dude653

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yeah he was high and probably having a panic attack but I can't think of any scenario in which is acceptable to kneel on a man's neck for 9 minutes
 
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yeah he was high and probably having a panic attack but I can't think of any scenario in which is acceptable to kneel on a man's neck for 9 minutes
definately
they killed him.

way too much force.
 

soggykitten

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He said he could not breathe while in the patrol car .
He was probably so high that organs or circulation was shutting down. Or a panic attack.

Bottom line is Floyed could have simply sat in the patrol car.
Why would sitting in the patrol car freak anyone out?
Especially since they found him sitting in a car.
......unless he was tripping out on drugs. Severe paranoia.

The cop told him he would sit with him.
Nothing there indicating a motive to kill or hurt him.

Now had he not been fighting them,what would be the outcome?????

But no,that common sense does not feed the fake victim hoax.

Blacks need anti victim leaders to lead them into adulthood. Once they are adults they can be productive and not have that victim baggage that feeds the "poor helpless disenfranchised" feel sorry for me mentality.
It Has to happen as they are growing up.

Instead they are raised from the beginning to be victims.

No leaders....no victory for black youth.
Then we have what we have.
80 or so % of blacks entering adulthood as victims in their minds.

Even black pastors buy into the fakery.
Is it fair to paint the entire black community, not the topic of this thread, in such ways?

Further, it sounds like victim blaming. The point remains, if Mr.Floyd was claustrophobic it is understandable he wouldn't want to get in the back of the car the way the officers were attempting to put him in. As already mentioned, hobbling is a common practice for such resistance.

If Mr. Floyd couldn't breathe outside the police car, claimed he couldn't breathe while officers attempted to seat him into the car, wouldn't it make sense that a man pressing his body weight on the inhalation areas of that persons body, back and throat, for nearly nine minutes complicate that already stressed persons breathing?

Mr. Floyd was handcuffed. The hold Chauvin used is against regulations, illegal. And it was wholly unnecessary. Chauvin knew what he was doing, and he stayed in that position atop George Floyd for nearly three minutes after the man stopped speaking. Further? Chauvin would also have felt Floyd's body relax under the knee on Mr.Floyd's back and realized he stopped breathing. Chauvin remained in place regardless.
And lets not forget the officer that came over and checked Mr.Floyd's pulse when Mr.Floyd had already fallen silent, and then walked away while Chauvin remained in place on Floyd's back.


There is a tenor happening in this thread that makes it sound like George Floyd did this to himself. That's tragic. Because the professionals at the scene were responsible for Mr.Floyd's life while in their custody. They failed, big time.
George Floyd died of suffocation while in police custody.
 
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Is it fair to paint the entire black community, not the topic of this thread, in such ways?

Further, it sounds like victim blaming. The point remains, if Mr.Floyd was claustrophobic it is understandable he wouldn't want to get in the back of the car the way the officers were attempting to put him in. As already mentioned, hobbling is a common practice for such resistance.

If Mr. Floyd couldn't breathe outside the police car, claimed he couldn't breathe while officers attempted to seat him into the car, wouldn't it make sense that a man pressing his body weight on the inhalation areas of that persons body, back and throat, for nearly nine minutes complicate that already stressed persons breathing?

Mr. Floyd was handcuffed. The hold Chauvin used is against regulations, illegal. And it was wholly unnecessary. Chauvin knew what he was doing, and he stayed in that position atop George Floyd for nearly three minutes after the man stopped speaking. Further? Chauvin would also have felt Floyd's body relax under the knee on Mr.Floyd's back and realized he stopped breathing. Chauvin remained in place regardless.
And lets not forget the officer that came over and checked Mr.Floyd's pulse when Mr.Floyd had already fallen silent, and then walked away while Chauvin remained in place on Floyd's back.


There is a tenor happening in this thread that makes it sound like George Floyd did this to himself. That's tragic. Because the professionals at the scene were responsible for Mr.Floyd's life while in their custody. They failed, big time.
George Floyd died of suffocation while in police custody.
The entire black community?

Pretty far fetched. Look at all the honest hard working and Godly black people.

Yes the police mishandled it.

But to make a deal valid where rioters burn down cities is making a martyr out of a thug.
Change can come through black/or any color leadership.

IOW make changes. Not getting even,hate,mobs,riots,destruction,and all the insanity that comes through painting half a picture of Floyds being a poor mistreated saint that was cooperating with the law.

A time machine might have had them just bind his legs and wait for ems.
In fact maybe future protocol might be just that. If they resist just tazer them tie them and call an ambulance.
 
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The news and police provided a video try to depict Floyd as a cooperating innocent model citizen.

Then we get the real deal showing them actually babying him and reassuring him.

Everything was hyper politically correct till he shot out the otherside of the cop car.

But like all say,the cops screwed up and two of them were evidently bad cops with history to prove it.
 

soggykitten

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The entire black community?

Pretty far fetched. Look at all the honest hard working and Godly black people.
My observation concerned your remarks about the black community. I agree, your remarks were pretty far fetched. This is why I addressed them.

Yes the police mishandled it.
Irrevocably so, yes, I agree.

But to make a deal valid where rioters burn down cities is making a martyr out of a thug.
I believe the riotous personality will avail themselves of any opportunity to cause chaos. Mr. Floyd didn't have to mean anything to those guilty of rioting, violence, arson, etc... Thinking to protest police brutality, even murder, by resorting to just as immoral unconscionable tactics makes for a very weak point on the rioters end of it.
Change can come through black/or any color leadership.
I don't think offensive personalities recognize the leadership already in place. It isn't a matter of leadership, in my view it is a matter of lack of morality and integrity. Leaders can't instill what is vacant in the individual already.

IOW make changes. Not getting even,hate,mobs,riots,destruction,and all the insanity that comes through painting half a picture of Floyds being a poor mistreated saint that was cooperating with the law.
He didn't deserve nor did he ask for what happened to him. Saint? No. Victim of police brutality and murder? Yes.

A time machine might have had them just bind his legs and wait for ems.
Lets deal with what is.
In fact maybe future protocol might be just that. If they resist just tazer them tie them and call an ambulance.
Regulations were already in place for dealing with a resistant subject. They were ignored. Regulations can be bound in a thousand page book. The immoral unconscionable, police officer anywhere in the world isn't going to be bound by those rules. As we know. Because this event with Mr. Floyd is not the first nor, God help us, shall it be the last.
 

Dude653

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Dr. Martin Luther King said rioting is the voice of an unheard people
While I don't condone violence and destruction of property, there comes a point when the people say enough is enough when the police won't stop with the Gestapo tactics
 

sherryt

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Dr. Martin Luther King said rioting is the voice of an unheard people
While I don't condone violence and destruction of property, there comes a point when the people say enough is enough when the police won't stop with the Gestapo tactics
MY thoughts: How would you feel if the "mob" showed up at your home in the middle of the night (which they are doing in neighborhoods) using bull horns telling you that you were to vacate your home because they are saying it belonged to them? Would you pack up and leave and let them have your home or would you call the police (that you call the gestapo, for assistance?}

If your family and your home, were being threatened (because they are throwing molotov cocktails, fireworks and lasers) would you not want the police to use any means necessary to protect your family and home? Or would you just let the "mob" harm you your family and take your home?

I agree 100% with equal rights and justice under the law. But I do not agree with the current situations (violence) in many of the states. You call the police actions "Gestapo tactics" I call it upholding the law. The have been faced with CONTINUED AGRESSION from the mob. How are they suppose to act?

You can say what you will but if you lived in the midst of all of this and you (to include family if you have one) were threatened, and you are honest with yourself I think you may have a different outlook on the assistance from the police.
I will say again I am 100% for equal rights, I also believe it was WRONG what the police did to George Floyd, and they should be published but we are way pass that now. How can his death be compared to the "mob" outside someone's home demanding they leave because in their minds it belongs to them? And a leader of the BLM, in Chicago publicly stated "it's ok to break into a business or home steal and destroy everything because it's just reparations"

I have always been taught and taught my children, when they were of age, if there is something you want you pay for it YOU DO NOT STEAL OR CAUSE ANY TYPE OF DAMAGE, just because you think it's something you just must have or, because you think you deserve it. Again, just my thoughts.




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gb9

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Dr. Martin Luther King said rioting is the voice of an unheard people
While I don't condone violence and destruction of property, there comes a point when the people say enough is enough when the police won't stop with the Gestapo tactics
*2019- 9 unarmed black men killed by cops.

*2019- 22 unarmed white men killed by cops.

who should be rioting??
 

notuptome

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Dr. Martin Luther King said rioting is the voice of an unheard people
While I don't condone violence and destruction of property, there comes a point when the people say enough is enough when the police won't stop with the Gestapo tactics
Protesting is one thing but rioting is a crime. Rioters are to be arrested and jailed. The alternative is to shoot them on sight.

Rebels hate any authority. A Christian is under authority, the authority of Christ. Christians show evidence that they are in submission to Christ. Pretenders go about raging over all the perceived injustices in the world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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*2019- 9 unarmed black men killed by cops.

*2019- 22 unarmed white men killed by cops.

who should be rioting??
Gb9, you're obviously a racist nazi for even knowing that!

Here's another interesting fact: Blacks are 13% of the population in America, yet they manage to commit over 50% of the violent crime here.

Guess that makes me a racist, nazi too.
 

gb9

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Gb9, you're obviously a racist nazi for even knowing that!

Here's another interesting fact: Blacks are 13% of the population in America, yet they manage to commit over 50% of the violent crime here.

Guess that makes me a racist, nazi too.
it makes us informed by real info, not the fake news media narritive.