If Trump Defended Our Constitution Then He Wouldn't Implement Tariffs.

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calibob

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Years ago Congress voted to give the president the power to impose tariffs so therefore a president can unilaterally impose tariffs without the consent of Congress. What Trump is doing, while perhaps unwise, is very much in the scope of his authority regarding tariffs and therefore constitutional.
Well your both correct in a way because the congress still has the ability to over rule the pres. We allowed the electoral coll. to place him in office even though he didn't even know what the 25th amendment is when he started. Now it's up to congress to decide what to do!
 

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I would not say they are illegal but unconstitutional. For the past 100 years of the progressive movement led by Democrats and the Democratic party, Congress has given up more and more of its authority to the executive branch. The Democrats are really to blame and RINO Republicans (Republicans In Name Only). If you recall in the last Presidential debates, both Trump and Hillary were arguing over who was going to be the toughest trade war starter.
Oh brother trump raises tariffs and it is the democrats fault wow keep sucking on that poison candy.
 

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The fact that we let Russia control our elections is unconstitutional.
 

Jackson123

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The tariffs are an illegal act by Trump imposed on everyone under the lie that it is a nation security issue. It wasn't a major security issue before, but the imposition of tariffs has had a negative impact on national security. Trump and the republicans are to blame.

Farmers go bankrupt.

The international markets that caused the demand, that kept prices high enough to make higher profits, are gone forever and the farmer will take the biggest hit. There will be significant increases in machinery, parts, and materials, because none of those products purchased are made in the USA anymore, they are all imported. So between the increase in cost (25%) and the loss of major markets, thousands of farms will go bankrupt. This will lead to higher prices for the consumer.

Nations that purchased the products, have found other nations to provide the products at a cheaper price, due to the agreements that were made before Trump. The USA had agreements in place that worked, perfect?, no, but better than the illegal tariffs that Trump and the republicans maintain.

The great trouble is that things will never be as good as they were for the farmers before Trump imposed the illegal tariffs. The markets are gone, and the recovery will be long, if we ever recover.

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The republicans that promised to defend the farmers, this nation, and the people who voted for them, hide like little mice from Trump.

You would think, that the republican farmers who elected these republican congress people would be screaming about going bankrupt.

You would think that the Republican congress people would be screaming about the ILLEGAL TARIFFS that are hurting the people that voted for them.

But no, they pass non-binding resolutions that don't mean anything.

They obstruct with justice in the matters of a RUSSIAN SPY RING. Ryan, Nunes, and Gowdy. Why? Why? Why? Are they pals of Czar Putin also? (They are friends of Russian/NRA money)

The republican congress people are more loyal to Trump than to the farmers who elected them.










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I believe, Trump raising tariff to incourage manufacture back to US, in the long run create more job.
 

gb9

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The fact that we let Russia control our elections is unconstitutional.
the fact is - there was no " Russian control " of the election. that is just a cooked up scheme to de-legitimize trump's win.
 

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the fact is - there was no " Russian control " of the election. that is just a cooked up scheme to de-legitimize trump's win.
whatever its your lie you can tell it anyway you want. by the way the candy store is selling out of the poison candy better hurry and go get your daily supply.
 
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SpoonJuly

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The fact that we let Russia control our elections is unconstitutional.
The Russians do not control our elections. The American voters do.
Now if some of these voters were influenced by the Russians hackers, they should be banned from voting based on their stupidity.
Thrump won the election for one reason.
The Democrats just insisted that it was Hillary's time. They offered a candidate that could never be elected when there were several others that may have won easily.
Stop blaming the Russians for something that your party brought upon themselves.
 

Nehemiah6

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The Constitution makes clear that it is Congress' role to raise tariffs not the President. This is taxation without representation and is the very definition of tyranny.
This is one of the most bizarre statements to to published. And if you are waiting for Congress to do anything constructive or beneficial to anyone (other than themselves) you will be waiting for a very long time.
 

Nehemiah6

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The Russians do not control our elections.
Correct. This is one of the stupidest and wickedest lies to be promoted by the Democrats, who actually offered a RESET BUTTON to Putin and allowed him to grab Crimea while Obama was in office.
 

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The only cabal who could control the election is our own elite. Look to Davos, not Moscow.

But even then (and this is what tears apart most conspiracy theories), Trump's election shows they have not the requisite power to do so. Not when they are forced to contend with the combined might of the voter and our Electoral College.
 

Desdichado

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Dude, that's just creepy.

whatever its your lie you can tell it anyway you want. by the way the candy store is selling out of the poison candy better hurry and go get your daily supply.
 

gb9

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The only cabal who could control the election is our own elite. Look to Davos, not Moscow.

But even then (and this is what tears apart most conspiracy theories), Trump's election shows they have not the requisite power to do so. Not when they are forced to contend with the combined might of the voter and our Electoral College.
yes, if folks could just get their heads around this- the mainstream media is just a mouth piece for the dems.

do they cover davos? Bilderberg ? bohemian grove? no.
 

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The Russians do not control our elections. The American voters do.
Now if some of these voters were influenced by the Russians hackers, they should be banned from voting based on their stupidity.
Thrump won the election for one reason.
The Democrats just insisted that it was Hillary's time. They offered a candidate that could never be elected when there were several others that may have won easily.
Stop blaming the Russians for something that your party brought upon themselves.
We no longer control our elections that is history.
and yes russians influence our elections it is a fact now that even the republicans can not deny. so lets just face the fact trump owes russia and we will pay for it it is all starting to come out in the wash unless you truly believe trump and say everything is fake except what he says woooooooooo baby
 

Desdichado

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How exactly do the Russians influence our elections to the point of invalidity? If they were such an obvious threat, why did Obama let them do it while asserting our elections were impossible to rig?

I'm an Obama critic, but the man was hardly asleep at the switch.

We no longer control our elections that is history.
and yes russians influence our elections it is a fact now that even the republicans can not deny. so lets just face the fact trump owes russia and we will pay for it it is all starting to come out in the wash unless you truly believe trump and say everything is fake except what he says woooooooooo baby
 

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How exactly do the Russians influence our elections to the point of invalidity? If they were such an obvious threat, why did Obama let them do it while asserting our elections were impossible to rig?

I'm an Obama critic, but the man was hardly asleep at the switch.
what would of happen if he said that all the Obama critics would be going nuts and you know that. He did say something and was investigating it at the time of the elections. But to say something at that time would of cause more damage, just a fact that has already been discussed. they did not rig them as far as hacking voter machines they influence them though the media more then we will ever know. OH they are now just finding out that trump did know about the meeting with the russians to get dirt on hillary. but we all knew that already where there is smoke there is fire.
 

gb9

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what would of happen if he said that all the Obama critics would be going nuts and you know that. He did say something and was investigating it at the time of the elections. But to say something at that time would of cause more damage, just a fact that has already been discussed. they did not rig them as far as hacking voter machines they influence them though the media more then we will ever know. OH they are now just finding out that trump did know about the meeting with the russians to get dirt on hillary. but we all knew that already where there is smoke there is fire.
that is called opposition research. totally normal in election cycles.
 

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that is called opposition research. totally normal in election cycles.
wow could you imagine if Obama meet with the Russians for some opposition research you all would of had the rope around his neckplease don't make me laugh, Opposition research oh ya baby I got a bridge I can sell you too
 

Desdichado

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Where are they in the media?

And if they are in the media, wouldn't that again mean the Left wing is more responsible for a lack of oversight?

they influence them though the media more then we will ever know.
 
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SpoonJuly

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We no longer control our elections that is history.
and yes russians influence our elections it is a fact now that even the republicans can not deny. so lets just face the fact trump owes russia and we will pay for it it is all starting to come out in the wash unless you truly believe trump and say everything is fake except what he says woooooooooo baby
Talk about being influenced!!!!
You have been brainwashed by the left media.
Get over it. Your beloved left wing Democratic party's candidate was rejected by the voters.
Its over and done.
Why not start the process of selecting a candidate for 2020 that the voters can really consider without holding their nose when they vote.
 

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Where are they in the media?

And if they are in the media, wouldn't that again mean the Left wing is more responsible for a lack of oversight?
they also manipulated the right wing look who the voted for geez.